Hi Linda, Found your WHITE family in 1891 as follows: Class: RG12 Piece: 3999 Folio: 137 Page: 33 Schedule: 196 Civil Parish: Redcar Town, Village or Hamlet: Redcar Rural Sanitary District: Redcar Parliamentary Borough or Division: Cleveland Ecclesiastical Parish: St.Peter Redcar Address: Albert Street George White, Head, Married, 36, Clerk Ironworks, Yorks Hoyland Jane Maria White, Wife, Married, 38, , Durham Barnard Castle Fred White, Son, , 10, Scholar, Yorks Middlesbrough George White, Son, , 8 (corrected to 5), Scholar, Durham Stockton Tom White, Son, , 4, , Durham Stockton Ernest White, Son, , 2, , Northants Wellingbro Edna White, Daug, , 4 months, , Yorks Redcar And in 1901 as follows: Class: RG13 Piece: 4570 Folio: 47 Page: 27 Schedule: 179 Civil Parish: Redcar Ecclesiastical Parish: St.Peters Urban District: Redcar Ward of Urban District: Old Redcar Parliamentary Borough or Division: Cleveland Town, Village or Hamlet: Redcar Address: 2 Wilton Place Jane Maria White, Head, Widow, 48, , Durham Barnard Castle Fred T White, Son, Single, 20, Works labourer, Durham Middlesbrough Grace H White, Daug, Single, 18, Boatshop assistant, Durham Middlesbrough George White, Son, Single, 17, Boatshop assistant, Durham Stockton Tom White, Son, Single, 14, Errand boy, Yorks Thornaby Ernest White, Son, Single, 12, , Northants Wellingbro Edna White, Daug, Single, 10, , Yorks Redcar When Grace failed to turn up in 1891 I assumed she had died. But when she turned up in 1901 I revisited 1891. I tried all combinations of Fanny/Grace/Heslop White born 1882 +/-5 in Yorkshire and again in Durham. No hits. I suspect that, in transferring data from the individual household sheets to the summaries which we use, the enumerator has inadvertently omitted her. One additional point, drawn from personal/local knowledge... George White was a Clerk in the Ironworks in 1891. These would have been the works located at Warrenby just to the west of Redcar. Although these works are no more, the site is occupied by the present day Corus Steelworks. These occupy an area of some 5 kilometres by 4 kilometres on the south bank of the River Tees near its mouth. The birth of Ernest White in Northamtonshire is not unreasonable since there were iron and steel works at Corby in Northamptonshire. I'm not sure when these first started up but there is still a steel rolling mill there (again, part of the Corus business). It could be that George moved to that area for a time and then moved back north again. regards, Peter Appleton My Family Tree website: http:/www.tribalpages.com/tribes/pappleton3 -----Original Message----- From: Linda Livingstone [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 20 January 2006 04:12 To: [email protected] Subject: [NYorks] White/Peacock Hello List, I am seeking information on George White b Jun 1854 in Hoyland Nether, West Yorks and Jane Maria Peacock m 1880 St John's Middlesbro. Children Fred Trerise b 1880 Fanny Grace Heslop b1882 George Valentine b 1883 Tom b ? Edna b ? Can anyone do a census lookup 1891 and 1901, probably in Stockton, for me or is anyone researching these names as this is a complete brick wall. Many thanks Linda Western Australia ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== List Mom for ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L: Diana Boothe [email protected] ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429

It could be NESFIELD they were around Flixton Jenny ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 10:15 AM Subject: [NYorks] NOSFIELD Family Flixton abt 1700s > Trying to find a NOSFIELD family of Flixton who lived in the 1720s+ > > I have a Will 1728 that leaves good money to Charles Nosfield of Flixton > but > I cant find evidence of that family in Yorks or Lincs ? > > Any Suggestions as the word NOSFIELD seems fairly clear in the Will. > > Thanks > > Rob > > > ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== > USGS Mapping Information query form > http://www-nmd.usgs.gov/www/gnis/gnisform.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Hi Pat, Some additional comments on your message: 1. The list of parishes on the Genuki site is accurate up to 1834. After that, civil parishes were created and so there can be some confusion. Also after that date, some parishes were split due to the rising population, however these were mainly in the West Riding - the majority of parishes remained the same up to at least 1900 in the East and North Ridings. 2. You seem to be confusing parishes with places. A Parish is the area served by the Parish Church. The Parish Church is in the Parish Town (even if it's a village!), and the lists of the Parishes for Yorkshire are given in the 4 parts of Yorkshire listed at the bottom of the main Genuki Yorkshire page (3 Ridings + The Ainsty and City of York), there being around 200 parishes in each of the Ridings. So, if you are looking for a parish for pre 1900 and it doesn't occur in the lists, then it almost certainly wasn't a parish or it's spelt incorrectly. 3. I am not aware of any places missing from the "Where is it" lists (hamlets, villages or towns) in the Ryedale area (i.e. Hemsley to Scarborough along the river Derwent etc. (If anyone knows different, then please tell me). Therefore, if you have places which don't appear on the list, then either the name has been changed (by Chinese Whispers, accents, etc), or the "place" is actually a single house. My personal opinion is that all 3 of your places are mis-spellings/readings of Malton. Take Fowston for instance: go to the list of all the places in Yorkshire (you did read the notes for the "Where is it lists" didn't you :-) ) and do a search for "wston". All the "hits" for this are in the West Riding, including the nearest sounding name of "Fewston", and so are unlikely to be correct. Hope this helps, Best wishes, Colin Hinson In the village of Blunham in Bedfordshire U.K. Webmaster for the Genuki Yorkshire pages: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ Old and Rare Yorkshire Books on searchable CDroms: http://cdroms.blunham.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Listers, A Sarah SMITH born c.1806 married William AR(R)UNDALE on 25 Dec 1826 at Old Malton - both are noted in the parish records as "of this parish" i.e. of the parish of Old Malton. However, census records provide different information: 1851 census for Old Malton shows Sarah as being born at Falton; 1861 census for Old Malton shows her as born as Spanton; and 1871 census for Ryton shows her as born at Fowston. I've checked the "Where is it" link on the http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ site and was unable to find any of the abovementioned parishes. Does anyone have any ideas as to where Sarah may have been born? Regards, Pat Smith

Dear List, From various sources I have collected some 93 STAINTHORPs and spouses associated with Whitby in my search for the family of : Eleanor STAINFORTH b. 3 Aug 1788 ch.3 Sep 1788 in Whitby. She married Joseph BROWN (b.23 Jul 1784) in Whitby on 27 Aug 1810 They had 9 or 10 children; William 1813 Francis 1815 Joseph 1816 Henry 1818 George 1819 Robert 1821 John 1822 He and the family where Master Mariners and later Ships Captains Family lived in Whitby with connection to South Shields Does any body share any of these? Richard Brown Sheffield Lloegr/England

Dear List, From various sources I have collected some 890 BROWNS and spouses associated with Whitby in my search for the family of : William BROWN b.26 Jul 1813 ch.2 Aug 1813 he married Mary Elizabeth Clough PARKER aka Mary Elizabeth CLEUGH on 20 Jan 1834 at Whitby He was a Master Mariner later Ships Captain Family lived initially in Whitby then briefly in South Shields then Whitby and lastly in Liverpool Descended from STAINTHORP 1770 and SMITH 1780 Does any body share any of these? Richard Brown Sheffield Lloegr/England

Trying to find a NOSFIELD family of Flixton who lived in the 1720s+ I have a Will 1728 that leaves good money to Charles Nosfield of Flixton but I cant find evidence of that family in Yorks or Lincs ? Any Suggestions as the word NOSFIELD seems fairly clear in the Will. Thanks Rob

Pat For Spanton read Spaunton two miles from Kirbymoorside. Lancelot Howard Barron MIDDLESBROUGH U.K This email has been sent from my Mandurah, Western Australia address. It will be live 'till the end of March. After that date please use [email protected] The fsnet address will get me at any time of the year. Web Site http://www.barron40.fsnet.co.uk/New_Web/Page_1x.html

Hello Pat, I don't know about Falton but Spanton might be Spaunton and Fowston might be Fewston, perhaps. regards, Peter Appleton My Family Tree website: http:/www.tribalpages.com/tribes/pappleton3 -----Original Message----- From: Pat Smith [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 19 January 2006 08:32 To: [email protected] Subject: [NYorks] Help with North Yorkshire Parish Names Hello Listers, A Sarah SMITH born c.1806 married William AR(R)UNDALE on 25 Dec 1826 at Old Malton - both are noted in the parish records as "of this parish" i.e. of the parish of Old Malton. However, census records provide different information: 1851 census for Old Malton shows Sarah as being born at Falton; 1861 census for Old Malton shows her as born as Spanton; and 1871 census for Ryton shows her as born at Fowston. I've checked the "Where is it" link on the http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ site and was unable to find any of the abovementioned parishes. Does anyone have any ideas as to where Sarah may have been born? Regards, Pat Smith ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== List Mom for ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L: Diana Boothe [email protected] ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Hi Ailsa Royal Oak is about a mile from West Auckland, County Durham, on the A68 towards Darlington. The area is Bildershaw Bank, then within a short distance Royal Oak and there is only a handful of houses/farms in that area. Regards Julie West Auckland

Hello List, I am seeking information on George White b Jun 1854 in Hoyland Nether, West Yorks and Jane Maria Peacock m 1880 St John's Middlesbro. Children Fred Trerise b 1880 Fanny Grace Heslop b1882 George Valentine b 1883 Tom b ? Edna b ? Can anyone do a census lookup 1891 and 1901, probably in Stockton, for me or is anyone researching these names as this is a complete brick wall. Many thanks Linda Western Australia

Pat My immediate thought was that at least two of the names are mis-spellings or mispronounciations by the census renumerator or the transcriber of the original record, of the name Malton. I suspect that you have been checking the census indexes on-line and that's where you have got the alternative names. try looking at the original census agains tthe reference given. Anyway, just a thought. best wishes laurel sayer -----Original Message----- From: Pat Smith [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday 19 January 2006 08:32 To: [email protected] Subject: Help with North Yorkshire Parish Names Hello Listers, A Sarah SMITH born c.1806 married William AR(R)UNDALE on 25 Dec 1826 at Old Malton - both are noted in the parish records as "of this parish" i.e. of the parish of Old Malton. However, census records provide different information: 1851 census for Old Malton shows Sarah as being born at Falton; 1861 census for Old Malton shows her as born as Spanton; and 1871 census for Ryton shows her as born at Fowston. I've checked the "Where is it" link on the http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ site and was unable to find any of the abovementioned parishes. Does anyone have any ideas as to where Sarah may have been born? Regards, Pat Smith ______________________________

HI Peter, The 1851 census was the first census to record mariners who were on board ships in British Ports on census night, but did not include those at sea. The 1861 census included not only those mariners, Merchant and Royal Navy and fishermen, that were in British Ports but also those that were at sea. The 1861 census is the only one that seems to have a large number of schedules for Vessels indexed on line at the Ancestry site and presumbly elsewhere, I don't know. If you use Ancestry try searching for the man's name and instead of putting in a place of abode or county, try putting in the word Vessels into the Keyword box, and see what turns up. I have done this method of searching before now and have had success. You can also look at an A to Z listing of ship names, merchant vessels, that are included int he 1861 at Ancestry by going to the search page for the 1861 and then scrolling down to the bottom where you can see a list of county names. In amongst that listing you will see something like "Misc. Ships at sea and abroad" and also and "Royal Navy". Clicking on the first of these links will take you to another page where you need to click on the word Vessels, this takes you to the A to Z list of merchant vessel names with beside each name a link "View Enumeration District. This link for the Enumeration District will show you the first page of the ships schedule, it gives the ships tonnage, her trade, her home port, where and when the schedule was handed to her master and, best of all, her position at midnight on census night, compass readings included at times. The second page of the schedule is that given under the ships name in the A to Z listing. you should print out both pages to get the full schedule for a given vessel. In the later census you occassionally find a Vessel but I have not had such success with these census and ships enumerated in them as I have with the 1861. Failing having access to Ancestry the LDS have an alphabetical index to the men on those ships at sea in the 1861 census, the index is on about 9 fiche I have been told. There is also a similar index for the names of the ships themselves that were at sea in the 1861. With the reference from the index you can order the relevant LDS film to view the same schedules as I descrbe above. To answer another part of your question I don't believe that a soldier serving abroad would appear in the English census, whereas a soldier in a barracks in England does, I have found one of mine in the 1871, 1881 and 1891 each time in the barracks in England. I have one ancestor who is missing in alternate censuses, heaven only knows what he was up to but myself and my cousin have searched in all manner of ways to find him, I have searched the ancestry site for him and my cousin has search the 1891 on CD for the relevant county for the man and his wife and family but he just does not appear. There are pages of the census missing in various census for various areas, at the Ancestry site go to any one of the census search page and scroll down below the list of counties included in that census and you should see a listing of the piece numbers that are missing. Institutions such as prisons are included in the census, though which was the first census to include prisons I am not sure. Having said that, I have an index which includes Northallerton Gaol in the1851 census, prisoners as well as prison officers and their families. So maybe Prisons were included from the 1851 onwards, if not in the 1841. Hope this is of some help to you. Regards Jenny DeAngelis. Spain. > > If an individual was serving abroad in the army, would he appear in the UK > census? > If an individual was in the Royal Navy and was aboard ship, would he > appear > in the UK census? > If an individual was a merchant seaman aboard ship, would he appear in the > UK census? > In the case of the two naval questions: > Would it make any difference if his ship was in a UK port, in transit at > sea > or in an overseas port? > Apart from army/navy service, is there any other reason that fellow > listers > can think of as to why an individual would be missing from two consecutive > censuses?

Hi List, I wonder please if anyone is researching the above family Judith

Hi all, Looking for information on Robert Arthur or ( Arthur Robert) Lightfoot, born ca 1910/11 maybe Northallerton area, but not sure. He married Gladys Hoyle. Thanks, Terry

Hi Peter, what name are you looking for? Sometimes just another pair of eyes helps. Ancestry have Naval ships, ships at see and abroad on 1861. All institutions are listed as far as I know. Some prison and infirmary records have only initials recorded. The Royal navy is on for 1871 on ancestry too. Jo :)http://www.tribalpages.com/tribes/jo14 I use Archive CD Books to do my family history research http://www.archivecdbooks.org/ http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/index.php?referrerid=18 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Appleton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:43 PM Subject: [NYorks] Missing from censuses 1861 and 1871 > Hi everyone, > > I have a side-shoot individual who appears in 1851 census as an 18 year > old > single male and then is heard of no more until 1881 census when he > re-appears married and with family. I'm trying to identify possible > avenues > for research to fill in the big gap in his life. My starting point is to > understand possible reasons for his absence from two consecutive censuses. > > Is there a list member who can give me answers to any of the following > questions? (N.B. The time period in question is from 1850-1880) > > If an individual was serving abroad in the army, would he appear in the UK > census? > > If an individual was in the Royal Navy and was aboard ship, would he > appear > in the UK census? > > If an individual was a merchant seaman aboard ship, would he appear in the > UK census? > > In the case of the two naval questions: > Would it make any difference if his ship was in a UK port, in transit at > sea > or in an overseas port? > > Apart from army/navy service, is there any other reason that fellow > listers > can think of as to why an individual would be missing from two consecutive > censuses? > > Do the Ancestry.co.uk census indexes include all land-based institutions > (e.g. prisons, army barracks, naval shore establishments, etc.)? > > > regards, > > Peter Appleton > > Researching the following surnames: > Yorkshire (North Riding): APPLETON, BOWERS, COCKERILL, EVANS, FAWCETT, > LEGG/LEGGE, MASON > Norfolk: BOWERS, BRUNDLE, CALVER/CARVER, MULLENGER/MULLINGER, WOODS > Cornwall: ANNEAR > Lincolnshire: HOWSAM > Suffolk: MATTHEWS > Westmorland: MASON > > My Family Tree website: http:/www.tribalpages.com/tribes/pappleton3 > > > > > ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== > List Mom for ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L: > Diana Boothe [email protected] > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

Peter I have found that www.ancestry.co.uk , whilst a very useful site, has quite a lot of errors in transcription so the person's name may have been entered differently. If it was an unusual first name you could try searching just by that. Or the census enumerator may have written the name with a different spelling. Or the person may have been known for a time by a different name for whatever reason (I had a couple of relatives who swopped there first and middle names around, and another who used a middle name as a surname for a while). I assume you have done a check for your person in the returns for the whole of the country. What was his occupation in 1851 census? What was his father/siblings occupations in 1841 and 1851 censuses and are they easily found in the later censuses? What makes you consider the navy - did he live anywhere near the coast and if so have you checked the on-line naval records yet. Otherwise you could try army records. Good luck laurel Sayer surrey -----Original Message----- From: Peter Appleton [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday 18 January 2006 17:44 To: [email protected] Subject: Missing from censuses 1861 and 1871 Hi everyone, I have a side-shoot individual who appears in 1851 census as an 18 year old single male and then is heard of no more until 1881 census when he re-appears married and with family. I'm trying to identify possible avenues for research to fill in the big gap in his life. My starting point is to understand possible reasons for his absence from two consecutive censuses. Is there a list member who can give me answers to any of the following questions? (N.B. The time period in question is from 1850-1880) If an individual was serving abroad in the army, would he appear in the UK census? If an individual was in the Royal Navy and was aboard ship, would he appear in the UK census? If an individual was a merchant seaman aboard ship, would he appear in the UK census? In the case of the two naval questions: Would it make any difference if his ship was in a UK port, in transit at sea or in an overseas port? Apart from army/navy service, is there any other reason that fellow listers can think of as to why an individual would be missing from two consecutive censuses? Do the Ancestry.co.uk census indexes include all land-based institutions (e.g. prisons, army barracks, naval shore establishments, etc.)? regards, Peter Appleton Researching the following surnames: Yorkshire (North Riding): APPLETON, BOWERS, COCKERILL, EVANS, FAWCETT, LEGG/LEGGE, MASON Norfolk: BOWERS, BRUNDLE, CALVER/CARVER, MULLENGER/MULLINGER, WOODS Cornwall: ANNEAR Lincolnshire: HOWSAM Suffolk: MATTHEWS Westmorland: MASON My Family Tree website: http:/www.tribalpages.com/tribes/pappleton3 ______________________________

Hello Listers, A Sarah SMITH born c.1806 married William AR(R)UNDALE on 25 Dec 1826 at Old Malton - both are noted in the parish records as "of this parish" i.e. of the parish of Old Malton. However, census records provide different information: 1851 census for Old Malton shows Sarah as being born at Falton; 1861 census for Old Malton shows her as born as Spanton; and 1871 census for Ryton shows her as born at Fowston. I've checked the "Where is it" link on the http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ site and was unable to find any of the abovementioned parishes. Does anyone have any ideas as to where Sarah may have been born? Regards, Pat Smith

Hi List I am searching for information on Emily Miriam Wade b Apr 1867 who married Francis Edward Smith in Linthorpe, Middlesbro' 4 Apr 1898. I am interested to know if there were any children. Linda Western Australia

Good morning, On two different census entries I have the birth of a person given as "Royaloak". The 1881 census says "Royaloak, Yorkshire", while in 1891 it's given as "Royaloak, Durham". The birth was about 1878. A modern map has given me nothing, nor has multimap. Can anyone tell me where Royaloak may be, please? I wonder if it may be the name of a property rather than a place, as the father was an ag.lab. Many thanks Ailsa Petrie Hamilton New Zealand -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/234 - Release Date: 18/01/2006

Roger, It's not much but I have a Mary Ann Smallwood who married into my Duck family. Mary was born about 1837 at Hinderwell and married my gt gt uncle John Duck in 1862 at Danby. John and Mary had 4 children, William 1863, George 1869, Elizabeth 1872, and Alice 1876. I did receive information that this family emigrated to Australia in the 1880's but having searched I can't find who told me this. However I can't find them in Yorkshire in 1891 or anywhere in 1901. Did people emigrate to Australia in the 1880's? Regards Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROGER GILL" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:47 PM Subject: [NYorks] SANDERS, MACNALLY, SMALLWOOD, FRANK, UNDERWOOD > Hi list > > I am currently researching the above names, many in Egton in the 1700's and then around Hinderwell and Skelton in the 1800's. > > I will be pleased to hear from anyone with similar interests. > > > Roger D Gill > > West Yorks > > > ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== > USGS Mapping Information query form > http://www-nmd.usgs.gov/www/gnis/gnisform.html > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >