Hello, I'm hoping to find monumental inscriptions, or even newspaper death notices, in three Yorkshire towns - Darlington, Middlesbrough and Ripon. The deaths were all between 1930-1955, so may more likely be in a public cemetery, rather than a churchyard and I don't know whether any transcribing of these has been done. Googling around has brought no great success, except for a possibility in Darlington, which I will be pursuing. The Ripon Family History site is offline altogether at present. So, I'm asking if people can give me suggestions/instructions/addresses or whatever, please, as to where I can enquire. Yes, I could purchase the death registrations, although others I have bought have proved very expensive, as they contain so little information, apart from the confirmation of date of death. I have the names and the GRO references and have also found some of the names in the Tees Valley website, that is all at present. While I would really prefer to do the work for myself, if anyone offers to search for me, I won't say no! Many thanks for any assistance Ailsa Petrie Hamilton New Zealand -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/242 - Release Date: 26/01/2006

Hi all, The CFHS cover Churchyards but not Cemetaries as I recall, Not 100% sure, Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Appleton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 7:54 AM Subject: RE: [NYorks] M.I. help, please > Hi Ailsa, > > My brain's not fully in gear yet (it is still before breakfast over here in > UK). I should also have mentioned the Cleveland Family History Society who > publish booklets of MIs for the area. They have their own website: > www.clevelandfhs.org.uk. > > > regards, > > Peter Appleton > > My Family Tree website: http:/www.tribalpages.com/tribes/pappleton3 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ailsa Petrie [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 27 January 2006 01:15 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [NYorks] M.I. help, please > > Hello, > > I'm hoping to find monumental inscriptions, or even newspaper death > notices, in three Yorkshire towns - Darlington, Middlesbrough and Ripon. > The deaths were all between 1930-1955, so may more likely be in a public > cemetery, rather than a churchyard and I don't know whether any > transcribing of these has been done. Googling around has brought no > great success, except for a possibility in Darlington, which I will be > pursuing. The Ripon Family History site is offline altogether at present. > > So, I'm asking if people can give me suggestions/instructions/addresses > or whatever, please, as to where I can enquire. Yes, I could purchase > the death registrations, although others I have bought have proved very > expensive, as they contain so little information, apart from the > confirmation of date of death. I have the names and the GRO references > and have also found some of the names in the Tees Valley website, that > is all at present. While I would really prefer to do the work for > myself, if anyone offers to search for me, I won't say no! > > Many thanks for any assistance > Ailsa Petrie > Hamilton > New Zealand > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/242 - Release Date: 26/01/2006 > > > ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the ENG-NORTH-YORKS list, send the command "unsubscribe" > to > [email protected] (if in mail mode) or > [email protected] (if in digest mode.) > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta > rgetid=5429 > > > > > ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== > Check out other genealogy resources on the net at John Fuller's most helpful site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Ailsa, The Darlington Cemetary burials have been indexed in a way. They are in sets, by year, then alphabetic letter, e.g., all 'a's together but NOT indexed thereafter. So it's a search for each year, not easy but possible. If you have names AND year of death I would have a go. The library has been closed for refurbishment since about end Nov and is due to open soon, but not sure when. Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ailsa Petrie" <[email protected]> To: <ENG-NORTH-YOR[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 1:14 AM Subject: [NYorks] M.I. help, please > Hello, > > I'm hoping to find monumental inscriptions, or even newspaper death > notices, in three Yorkshire towns - Darlington, Middlesbrough and Ripon. > The deaths were all between 1930-1955, so may more likely be in a public > cemetery, rather than a churchyard and I don't know whether any > transcribing of these has been done. Googling around has brought no > great success, except for a possibility in Darlington, which I will be > pursuing. The Ripon Family History site is offline altogether at present. > > So, I'm asking if people can give me suggestions/instructions/addresses > or whatever, please, as to where I can enquire. Yes, I could purchase > the death registrations, although others I have bought have proved very > expensive, as they contain so little information, apart from the > confirmation of date of death. I have the names and the GRO references > and have also found some of the names in the Tees Valley website, that > is all at present. While I would really prefer to do the work for > myself, if anyone offers to search for me, I won't say no! > > Many thanks for any assistance > Ailsa Petrie > Hamilton > New Zealand > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/242 - Release Date: 26/01/2006 > > > ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the ENG-NORTH-YORKS list, send the command "unsubscribe" to > [email protected] (if in mail mode) or > [email protected] (if in digest mode.) > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429 > >

I have now found that more than a couple of my BEER families moved to a number of places within Yorkshire (mostly in North Riding). If you share BEER surname interest in Yorkshire, I would be interested in having the opportunity to explain details of my line (s) with you to see if there is any connection. Hopefully, another subscriber has interest in the BEER surname. Sincerely, Julie Williamson Michigan USA -- Cornwall FHS Member: 12802 Devon FHS Member: 13431 M&L FHS Member: 16566 http://home.twmi.rr.com/jpwilli Researching: MADDERN, STEVENS, HODGE in St Erth, Cornwall BEER and HUSBAND in Calstock, Cornwall

Hi Ailsa, My brain's not fully in gear yet (it is still before breakfast over here in UK). I should also have mentioned the Cleveland Family History Society who publish booklets of MIs for the area. They have their own website: www.clevelandfhs.org.uk. regards, Peter Appleton My Family Tree website: http:/www.tribalpages.com/tribes/pappleton3 -----Original Message----- From: Ailsa Petrie [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 27 January 2006 01:15 To: [email protected] Subject: [NYorks] M.I. help, please Hello, I'm hoping to find monumental inscriptions, or even newspaper death notices, in three Yorkshire towns - Darlington, Middlesbrough and Ripon. The deaths were all between 1930-1955, so may more likely be in a public cemetery, rather than a churchyard and I don't know whether any transcribing of these has been done. Googling around has brought no great success, except for a possibility in Darlington, which I will be pursuing. The Ripon Family History site is offline altogether at present. So, I'm asking if people can give me suggestions/instructions/addresses or whatever, please, as to where I can enquire. Yes, I could purchase the death registrations, although others I have bought have proved very expensive, as they contain so little information, apart from the confirmation of date of death. I have the names and the GRO references and have also found some of the names in the Tees Valley website, that is all at present. While I would really prefer to do the work for myself, if anyone offers to search for me, I won't say no! Many thanks for any assistance Ailsa Petrie Hamilton New Zealand -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/242 - Release Date: 26/01/2006 ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from the ENG-NORTH-YORKS list, send the command "unsubscribe" to [email protected] (if in mail mode) or [email protected] (if in digest mode.) ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429

Hi everyone, Whilst researching the subject of UK newspapers in response to Ailsa's recent plea, I found this website: www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk. By using the buttons on the right of the home page, labelled "Daily" and "Weekly", it appears that you can track down any currently published newspaper in the UK and obtain contact details for it. Could be very useful to lots of us whether UK based or overseas residents. regards, Peter Appleton Researching the following surnames: Yorkshire (North Riding): APPLETON, BOWERS, COCKERILL, EVANS, FAWCETT, LEGG/LEGGE, MASON Norfolk: BOWERS, BRUNDLE, CALVER/CARVER, MULLENGER/MULLINGER, WOODS Cornwall: ANNEAR Lincolnshire: HOWSAM Suffolk: MATTHEWS Westmorland: MASON My Family Tree website: http:/www.tribalpages.com/tribes/pappleton3

Hi Ailsa, I have no knowledge of the Ripon area. For Darlington, the local newspapers are "The Darlington and Stockton Times" published weekly and the "Northern Echo" published daily. For Middlesbrough, the local newspaper is the "Evening Gazette" published daily. Using www.google.co.uk with the following search terms: Middlesbrough Evening Gazette Darlington Stockton Times ...gave lots of good hits including ones that took me to contact names, addresses, phone numbers etc. regards, Peter Appleton My Family Tree website: http:/www.tribalpages.com/tribes/pappleton3 -----Original Message----- From: Ailsa Petrie [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 27 January 2006 01:15 To: [email protected] Subject: [NYorks] M.I. help, please Hello, I'm hoping to find monumental inscriptions, or even newspaper death notices, in three Yorkshire towns - Darlington, Middlesbrough and Ripon. The deaths were all between 1930-1955, so may more likely be in a public cemetery, rather than a churchyard and I don't know whether any transcribing of these has been done. Googling around has brought no great success, except for a possibility in Darlington, which I will be pursuing. The Ripon Family History site is offline altogether at present. So, I'm asking if people can give me suggestions/instructions/addresses or whatever, please, as to where I can enquire. Yes, I could purchase the death registrations, although others I have bought have proved very expensive, as they contain so little information, apart from the confirmation of date of death. I have the names and the GRO references and have also found some of the names in the Tees Valley website, that is all at present. While I would really prefer to do the work for myself, if anyone offers to search for me, I won't say no! Many thanks for any assistance Ailsa Petrie Hamilton New Zealand -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/242 - Release Date: 26/01/2006 ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from the ENG-NORTH-YORKS list, send the command "unsubscribe" to [email protected] (if in mail mode) or [email protected] (if in digest mode.) ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429

Hi again, Peter, I guess we could go on speculating and formulating theories for ages, couldn't we? Each family group has its individual makeup. It all goes to confirm yet again, though, that life back then wasn't as static as we might like to think. The custom of including a mother's maiden name in her children's name, either a son or a daughter, is in my family, too. Even my own parents did it in 1933, when my elder brother was born. And I gave my son my maiden name, Stewart, as his main name. The more things change, the more they stay the same! My gt grandparents were married for nearly 20 years before their two sons were born. When they came to New Zealand in 1882, they were both nearly 50 and their sons 9 & 5. What made them come all that way will ever remain a mystery. In contrast, the siblings of both of them never moved more than about 10 miles from their birthplace. I have often wondered if gt grandfather was something of a black sheep, or just way more adventurous than the rest of his family. Thanks for conversing with me, Peter. I do so enjoy being able to talk with people on the other side of the world. Regards Ailsa Peter Appleton wrote: > Hi Ailsa, > > I don't see quite the same strong correlation in the marriages that you do. > Possibly this is due to so many of my ancestors being "in comers" into the > Cleveland Ironstone Mines area. What I tend to see are instances of > geographical loyalty, for example, folks from Norfolk marrying folks from > Norfolk. I also see several instances of two brothers from one family > marrying two sisters from another (often living just a few doors apart on > the same street - a case of boys marrying the girls next door almost quite > literally!). > > I do agree with your comments about the choice of forenames, though. > Although, once again I see another trend (but I think this might apply > across the whole country): the use of maiden surnames as middle forenames in > subsequent generations. The most extreme example I have of this is one > Thompson Hugill APPLETON (a 1st cousin twice removed). Thompson was his > grandmother's maiden name and Hugill was his great-grandmother's. This > naming trend seems to die out during the early years of the last century, > say, 1910-1920. > > regards, > > Peter Appleton -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.22/239 - Release Date: 24/01/2006

Hi Sue Found the answer to one of your questions, I think: From YAS pub: The Parish Register of Masham 1717-1800 Samuell Son John WRATHER 23 Feb 1717/18 I do have a pedigree somewhere - will find it and see if your Thos appears there. Angela -----Original Message----- From: Sue Watson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 5:21 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Wrather Family Mahsam and Yorkshire Hello everyone, I am searching for parents for Thomas Wrather bc 1749 who married Ann Metcalf from Healey in Masham in 1772. Thomas stayed in Fearby and generations down, he was a blacksmith. Although there was a family of Wrathers in Kirby Malzeard I cannot connect them with mine. Thomas's birth is not registered in Masham so I believe he came from another village. Also searching for the father of Samuel Rather bc 1718 Yorkshire Masham area who went to Virginia around 1738. Anything would help. Sue.

Hi all, Can anyone provide an 1891 or 1901 census sheet for the above lady, born 1882 in Northallerton. Would like to establish family members, thanks ,Terry.

Hi Carol > I use Mozilla and it has been a problem that I have noticed since the > familysearch site was altered. I use IE with the correct buttons and find no problem, its just a habit thing that you need to break <g> I tried Mozilla, it worked every time I tried familysearch but could not justify the use of another browser just for that as I have no problem with anything else. > I always use the open other page system. I may at times have over 40 > pages > open but it works for me. I use that system when I remember to <vbg> Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > Carol > Wakefield Family History Sharing > www.wakefieldfhs.org.uk

Hi all just reading this thread I use Mozilla and it has been a problem that I have noticed since the familysearch site was altered. Saying that though, you can back button and your search criteria is still there - sometimes. I always use the open other page system. I may at times have over 40 pages open but it works for me. Carol Wakefield Family History Sharing www.wakefieldfhs.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [NYorks] Off-topic > Hi Terry > > This problem has come up on several lists, cause is unknown but seems to > be a problem with IE but possibly caused by familysearch site updates? > > You will need to either use a different browser to IE (such as Mozilla > Firefox) > > Or use the correct buttons on each search page within familysearch (which > work perfectly) do not use the back button but the ones on each screen > ("Search results" or "Refine Search") > > Another simple way around it is to hover the cursor over the name in > question (name is usually blue until selected) and right click your mouse, > select open in new window, this will as implied open a new browser window > with that search result in it, when you have finished with it, close the > window. That will leave the previously opened window from which you > selected the name. This works equally well in freebmd. > > Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > > >> Hi all, >> When I am currently using familysearch and Freebmd, the back >> button on my PC does not work. When pressed it puts me back to an empty >> request screen. >> >> Most frustrating, can anyone suggest why this is suddenly >> happening ?. Much appreciated , Terry > > > ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== > List Mom for ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L: > Diana Boothe [email protected] > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >

Hi Terry This problem has come up on several lists, cause is unknown but seems to be a problem with IE but possibly caused by familysearch site updates? You will need to either use a different browser to IE (such as Mozilla Firefox) Or use the correct buttons on each search page within familysearch (which work perfectly) do not use the back button but the ones on each screen ("Search results" or "Refine Search") Another simple way around it is to hover the cursor over the name in question (name is usually blue until selected) and right click your mouse, select open in new window, this will as implied open a new browser window with that search result in it, when you have finished with it, close the window. That will leave the previously opened window from which you selected the name. This works equally well in freebmd. Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > Hi all, > When I am currently using familysearch and Freebmd, the back > button on my PC does not work. When pressed it puts me back to an empty > request screen. > > Most frustrating, can anyone suggest why this is suddenly > happening ?. Much appreciated , Terry

Hi all, When I am currently using familysearch and Freebmd, the back button on my PC does not work. When pressed it puts me back to an empty request screen. Most frustrating, can anyone suggest why this is suddenly happening ?. Much appreciated , Terry

Hello Listers, I am hoping to find further information on the following family. In 1909, John Briscoe BRISCOMBE married Dora Ann HAMILTON, 1880-1944, in Seacombe. He was a 44 yr old widower, she was 26. They later lived in Ripon and owned a shop, although what sort of shop, I don't know. There were five sons of the marriage. Percival Briscoe BRISCOMBE, born 1909. Married Phyllis FOWLER in 1941 and lived in Scarborough. No children of this marriage. Leslie H V BRISCOMBE, born 1912. Married Martha Ann ???. Died 17 Sep 1941 and is buried in Ripon cemetery, in the CWGC area. Reginald T. BRISCOMBE born 1914. Married Alice M. LEACH in 1940. John B. BRISCOMBE born 1916, married in 1950 to a Miss BURRELL. Walter BRISCOMBE born 1918, have found no marriage. If anyone on the list knows of these names and can add to my knowledge, please contact me. Many thanks Ailsa Petrie Hamilton New Zealand -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.22/238 - Release Date: 23/01/2006

Hi Ailsa, I don't see quite the same strong correlation in the marriages that you do. Possibly this is due to so many of my ancestors being "in comers" into the Cleveland Ironstone Mines area. What I tend to see are instances of geographical loyalty, for example, folks from Norfolk marrying folks from Norfolk. I also see several instances of two brothers from one family marrying two sisters from another (often living just a few doors apart on the same street - a case of boys marrying the girls next door almost quite literally!). I do agree with your comments about the choice of forenames, though. Although, once again I see another trend (but I think this might apply across the whole country): the use of maiden surnames as middle forenames in subsequent generations. The most extreme example I have of this is one Thompson Hugill APPLETON (a 1st cousin twice removed). Thompson was his grandmother's maiden name and Hugill was his great-grandmother's. This naming trend seems to die out during the early years of the last century, say, 1910-1920. regards, Peter Appleton My Family Tree website: http:/www.tribalpages.com/tribes/pappleton3 -----Original Message----- Ailsa Petrie wrote: > Hi Peter, > > I'm pleased that I wasn't imagining it! I have noted other patterns in > my family, too, which makes an interesting social comment of the times. > Does the following compare with your research, too? > > Before the 1891 census, farmers' daughters married farmers' sons and > those sons invariably worked with their fathers, the majority living > with their parents until marriage. After 1891, sons were working for > others and by the 1901 census, even many daughters were working and > living away from the family home. Farmers' daughters didn't marry > farmers' sons, either, but men in a range of occupations, including a > lot of railway employees. In my family, it began a move outwards to > other areas, although most appear to have stayed within Yorkshire. > > The other pattern I've noted is that after 1891, a wide range of new > names were used for their children, instead of those of generations > passed. William, John, James & Robert etc., gave way to Norman, Kenneth, > Stanley and Maurice; Hannah, Mary, Elizabeth and Jane etc., gave way to > Muriel, Beatrice, Florence and Elsie. > > It all reflects the changes in society, doesn't it, something I find > fascinating. It's a history in itself, from a different angle. > > Regards > Ailsa

Hi Sue I will have a look through my WRATHER info and see what I have. Angela -----Original Message----- From: Sue Watson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 5:21 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Wrather Family Mahsam and Yorkshire Hello everyone, I am searching for parents for Thomas Wrather bc 1749 who married Ann Metcalf from Healey in Masham in 1772. Thomas stayed in Fearby and generations down, he was a blacksmith. Although there was a family of Wrathers in Kirby Malzeard I cannot connect them with mine. Thomas's birth is not registered in Masham so I believe he came from another village. Also searching for the father of Samuel Rather bc 1718 Yorkshire Masham area who went to Virginia around 1738. Anything would help. Sue. ______________________________

If I'm not too late in responding, I would be interested in having a Brotton marriage checked. My gg grandmother was Elizabeth Brotton who was born around 1820 in Danby, England. She married James J. Wilson 10 May 1843 in the Parish Church of Middleton, York County, England. I would love to hear who her parents were. Thanks so much in advance. Fran Henley

Hi Peter, I'm pleased that I wasn't imagining it! I have noted other patterns in my family, too, which makes an interesting social comment of the times. Does the following compare with your research, too? Before the 1891 census, farmers' daughters married farmers' sons and those sons invariably worked with their fathers, the majority living with their parents until marriage. After 1891, sons were working for others and by the 1901 census, even many daughters were working and living away from the family home. Farmers' daughters didn't marry farmers' sons, either, but men in a range of occupations, including a lot of railway employees. In my family, it began a move outwards to other areas, although most appear to have stayed within Yorkshire. The other pattern I've noted is that after 1891, a wide range of new names were used for their children, instead of those of generations passed. William, John, James & Robert etc., gave way to Norman, Kenneth, Stanley and Maurice; Hannah, Mary, Elizabeth and Jane etc., gave way to Muriel, Beatrice, Florence and Elsie. It all reflects the changes in society, doesn't it, something I find fascinating. It's a history in itself, from a different angle. Regards Ailsa Peter Appleton wrote: > Hi Ailsa, > > I hadn't noticed it until you mentioned it but, yes, the same pattern is > there in my family tree. My grandparents on both sides were having their > respective families during the 1920s. Each had only three children. Yet, > individually three of them were from a much larger family: Fred APPLETON was > one of 10 (9 surviving past infancy), Thomas EVANS was one of 12 (10 > surviving infancy), Hannah Mary APPLETON (nee FAWCETT) was one of 11 (only 6 > surviving infancy) whilst Evelyn EVANS (nee BOWERS) was one of 4. > > regards, > > Peter Appleton -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.22/238 - Release Date: 23/01/2006

Hello Gill, The Borthwick Institute hold the records for the Clifton Hospital, you can download forms from their website but you have to apply by snail mail. If the record is there you can get copies and possibly a photo if there is one. I have quite an informative copy from there about one of my MEGGISON relatives and they supplied a photo plus a description of him and why and when he was admitted. Good luck. Regards Sam Gibbons France > Message du 24/01/06 02:02 > De : [email protected] > A : [email protected] > Copie à : > Objet : ENG-NORTH-YORKS-D Digest V06 #25 > > Hi all, > I'm wondering if anyone knows anything about the above institution - the North Riding Asylum (or Clifton Hospital). I believe one of my missing ancestors may be there in the 1861 census and I'm wondering if there's any records that survive for it? > Any suggestions most appreciated! > Best wishes, > Gill > > ______________________________