Hi, I am having a problem trying to find one of my ancesters &wonder if anybody has had the same problem but have eventually decided he is are the one they are looking for. I have spent several months looking for a William Holmes His death was registered in 20 Nov 1837 in(Kirkbymoorside)age 58 Disease of the Lungs He was a Collier by his son John He was buried in Bransdale age 58 He married Ann Hornby 20 Feb 1808 Helmsley She was still living when he died In the 1851 census she was 70yrs This information would make him born 1779. My problem is the only William who seems to fit is one bapt in 1764 Has anybody found anybody who fits their tree whose age been given with such a large gap. His son might have just guessed his age but his father would have been in his forties when he married & I havn`t found an earlier wedding. All the family were colliers in isolated areas near Helmsley. Mary Lamport --------------------------------- To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre.

hello listers Am new to this list and trying to find more info on the following Earnshaws: 1901 census William born 1868 in Darlington Wife Emily born Hornton Oxfordshire various children including Eveline (according to 1901 census, although actually Evelyn), Mildred - Sparkhill 1893, William - Sparkhill 1899, Ida - Sparkhill 1901 They also had his mother Martha living with them - born 1826 Plymouth 1881 census William was living with his family in Darlington: Father Richard - born 1834 in Craike (Crayke) Yorkshire Mother Martha - born 1826 in Plymouth Devon Sister Ann - born 1870 in Cockerton Durham Can find no record of marriage of William and Martha, or even Williams birth, although I have found plenty of Earnshaws born during the relevant dates in Easingwold (just up the road from Crayke) Would be very grateful if anyone can help me with this problem, perhaps with other census returns? Robin Townsend. PS. My elderly aunt maintains that an ancestor was mayor of York, is she living in a dream world or does this have a basis in fact?

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Hi All, Seeking any info on the following people :- 1. JOHN WAKE (JOHN) was born 24 May 1766 in West Rounton,N.Yorks., and died November 1836 in Bransby. He married URSULA LAVERICK 25 November 1792 in Brandsby, N.Yorks., daughter of THOMAS LAVERICK and ANN ?. She was born Abt. 1775 in Ealey,Durham., and died June 1857 in Brandsby,N.Yorks. Children of JOHN WAKE and URSULA LAVERICK are: i. THOMAS WAKE, b. 5 June 1794, Brandsby, Yorkshire.; d. 15 June 1806, Brandsby, Yorkshire.. ii. JOHN WAKE, b. 17 June 1798, Brandsby, Yorkshire.. iii. MARY WAKE, b. 7 February 1802, Brandsby, Yorkshire.. iv. SARAH ANN WAKE, b. 5 June 1808, Brandsby, Yorkshire.; d. 9 February 1885, Brandsby, N.Yorks; m. WILLIAM BULLOCK, 30 December 1839, Brandsby,N.Yorks; b. Abt. 1806; d. Bef. 1871, Brandsby,N.Yorks. v. THOMAS WAKE, b. 31 August 1811, Brandsby, N.Yorks; d. 30 March 1887, Stillington,N.Yorks; m. MARY MERCER, 15 January 1834, Brandsby, N.Yorks.; b. Abt. 1814, Stillington,N.Yorks; d. 5 November 1896, Stillington,N.Yorks. Trevor Kersley Easingwold North Yorkshire Web Page :- http//www.trevorkersley.co.uk Researching Kersley....Sheffield.1898+ & Winchester,Hants Gamble....Helmsley & York Ethell.....Huttons Ambo + All Yorks + Kent Roberts...Sheffield & Llanrwst,Denbigshire Wake.....Brandsby + Crayke + Stillington -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.11/264 - Release Date: 17/02/2006

Hi All, Seeking any further info on any of the above families, as listed below:- 1. ROBERT SHERWOOD was born 1832 in Potter Brompton,Yorks, and died 24 January 1884 in Ganton,N.Yorks. He married HANNAH ?. She was born 1838 in Flixton,Yorks, and died 6 December 1889 in Ganton,N.Yorks. Children of ROBERT SHERWOOD and HANNAH ? are: i. CHRISTOPHER SHERWOOD, b. 1863, Ganton,Yorks; m. MARY S ?; b. 1868, Anlaby. ii. JOHN SHERWOOD, b. 1865, Ganton,N.Yorks. iii. ANN ELIZABETH SHERWOOD, b. 1867, Ganton,N.Yorks. iv. RICHARD SHERWOOD, b. 1868, Ganton,Yorks. v. ALICE SHERWOOD, b. 1870, Ganton,Yorks. vi. SARAH SHERWOOD, b. 1870, Ganton,Yorks. vii. RACHEL SHERWOOD, b. 1874, Ganton,Yorks; d. 11 June 1948, Winteringham,N.Yorks. viii. ROBERT WILLIAM SHERWOOD, b. 1876, Ganton,Yorks; d. 25 May 1944, Settrington,Yorks; m. MARY ANN IRELAND; b. 1875; d. 24 February 1951, Settrington,Yorks. ix. AGNES M SHERWOOD, b. 1880, Ganton,Yorks. x. GEORGE SHERWOOD, b. 1884, Ganton,Yorks; d. 5 January 1920, Winteringham,Yorks. Generation No. 2 JOHN SHERWOOD (ROBERT) was born 1865 in Ganton,N.Yorks. He married MARY A ?. She was born 1868 in Ebberston,Yorks. Children of JOHN SHERWOOD and MARY ? are: i. ELSIE SHERWOOD, b. 1892, Ganton,Yorks. ii. ALBERT SHERWOOD, b. 1894, Ganton,Yorks. iii. SARAH SHERWOOD, b. 1896, Ganton,Yorks. iv. ADA SHERWOOD, b. 1899, Ganton,Yorks. v. JOHN L SHERWOOD, b. 1900, Ganton,Yorks. . ANN ELIZABETH SHERWOOD (ROBERT) was born 1867 in Ganton,N.Yorks. She married JOHN MYERS, son of THOMAS MYERS and MARY ?. He was born 1860 in Middleton,Yorks. Children of ANN SHERWOOD and JOHN MYERS are: i. HILDA MYERS, b. 1893, Ganton,Yorks. ii. BERT MYERS, b. 1894, Ganton,Yorks. iii. CHARLES MYERS, b. 1898, Ganton,Yorks. ALICE SHERWOOD (ROBERT) was born 1870 in Ganton,Yorks. She married HARRY VASEY CLARKE, son of WILLIAM CLARKE and SARAH ?. He was born 1874 in Sherburn,Yorks. Children of ALICE SHERWOOD and HARRY CLARKE are: i. JOHN WILLIAM CLARKE, b. 1900, Sherburn,Yorks. ii. LYDIA CLARKE, b. Abt. 1903. RACHEL SHERWOOD (ROBERT) was born 1874 in Ganton,Yorks, and died 11 June 1948 in Winteringham,N.Yorks3. She married RICHARD ETHELL 21 October 1903 in Sherburn near Scarborough,Yorks, son of THOMAS ETHELL and JANE LYON. He was born Abt. 1877 in Norton,N.Yorks, and died 13 December 1938 in Winteringham,N.Yorks. Children of RACHEL SHERWOOD and RICHARD ETHELL are: i. FLORENCE3 ETHELL, b. 1905, Winteringham,N.Yorks; m. HARRY HILDRETH, 19 September 1953, Winteringham,N.Yorks5; b. 1895, Norton,Malton,Yorks. ii. TOM ETHELL, b. 1913, Malton. Trevor Kersley Easingwold North Yorkshire Web Page :- http//www.trevorkersley.co.uk Researching Kersley....Sheffield.1898+ & Winchester,Hants Gamble....Helmsley & York Ethell.....Huttons Ambo + All Yorks + Kent Roberts...Sheffield & Llanrwst,Denbigshire Wake.....Brandsby + Crayke + Stillington -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.11/264 - Release Date: 17/02/2006

Hi all, Looking for any info on some of my more remote ancestors :- 1. William Darley BROUGH b.1844 Helmsley, married Eliza Jane STOCKDALE b.c1855 Ellingstring. 2. Children of above. i. Maria Brough b.22 oct 1873. Brotton. ii. John George Brough b.11 jun 1875 d.bef 1881.Brotton. iii. Margaret Ann Brough b.14 dec 1876 Brotton. On the 1881 census William Darley is shown as a Ironstone Miner and the family were living at 6 Jackson Street,Brotton.N.Yorkshire. Trevor Kersley Easingwold North Yorkshire Web Page :- http//www.trevorkersley.co.uk Researching Kersley....Sheffield.1898+ & Winchester,Hants Gamble....Helmsley & York Ethell.....Huttons Ambo + All Yorks + Kent Roberts...Sheffield & Llanrwst,Denbigshire Wake.....Brandsby + Crayke + Stillington -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.11/264 - Release Date: 17/02/2006

Thanks to Harry for that information about James Sayer. looks like we definiely have 2 James, one a sailor the other a jet worker. I'll follow up Harry's comments with hime off line. best wishes laurel sayer -----Original Message----- From: Harry Sayer [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday 16 February 2006 21:04 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NYorks] James Sayer of Whitby Hi Laurel . A James was bapt 13 June 1815 , son of James and Charlotte . A James married Isabella Hutchinson at Whitby on 18 Feb1837 A James, Master Mariner , is recorded as Owner or part Ownerof several ships from1838-1857 . In addition a Capt James Sayers ship left Alexandria on 11 Feb 1871 .On 17 March the ship was becalmed and an , unsuccessful , attempt on the ship was made by pirates .This may account for his absence from the general 1871 Census returns . The James who died 1862 could be the elder . Dunsley and Newholm are small villages about 1 mile apart . This combining of names where small populations are involved is not uncommon in Yorkshire . cheers , Harry Sayer Who has similar interests to Laurel . ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 2:06 PM Subject: [NYorks] James Sayer of Whitby > Hello > > I wonder if anyone can help me solve a puzzle about a James Sayer of Whitby. > > James was born in about 1815 in Whitby, the son of James Sayer and Charlotte > (nee Williamson) > > By 1841 James would appear to have been married and living in Haggersgate, > Whitby, and according to the census, working as a house carpenter. > > The 1851 census lists a James born at East Row, Whitby, living with wife > Isabella and a niece, Isabella Cook ( Isabella, aged 15, has not been > identified as yet). James was apparently working as a jet factor in > Ruswarp, Whitby, quite a different occupation from Carpenter. > > Then the 1855 Slaters director has a James Sayer listed as a ship owner > living at Wellington Place. > > In 1861 census a James and Isabella and their niece Isabella Cook are listed > at Wellington Terrace, Whitby. (is this the same as Wellington Place or a > different address?) Again is this the same James- his place of birth is now > given as Newholme cum Dunsley, not Whitby. (There is a Newholm, Whitby but > the census clearly states Newholme cum Dunsley). > > James does not appear on the 1871 census so perhaps he died - there is a > death of a James Sayers in qtr ending June 1862 in Whitby. > > So, why the variety of occupations - do we have one James here or two? The > birth date of 1815/16 seems consistent but the birth place varies and so do > the occupations. of course, it is possible that he started work as a > carpenter, made the boat which he leased out, and worked himself as a worker > of jet until his death in the early 1860s. I've checked Ancestry.co.uk for > any obvious answers, but nothing. > > Would any lister have the answer? I dont have his marriage record and have > not had sight of any original birth or death records. Are there some local > records that might help? > End of ENG-NORTH-YORKS-D Digest V06 Issue #45 *********************************************

Hi Laurel . A James was bapt 13 June 1815 , son of James and Charlotte . A James married Isabella Hutchinson at Whitby on 18 Feb1837 A James, Master Mariner , is recorded as Owner or part Ownerof several ships from1838-1857 . In addition a Capt James Sayers ship left Alexandria on 11 Feb 1871 .On 17 March the ship was becalmed and an , unsuccessful , attempt on the ship was made by pirates .This may account for his absence from the general 1871 Census returns . The James who died 1862 could be the elder . Dunsley and Newholm are small villages about 1 mile apart . This combining of names where small populations are involved is not uncommon in Yorkshire . cheers , Harry Sayer Who has similar interests to Laurel . ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 2:06 PM Subject: [NYorks] James Sayer of Whitby > Hello > > I wonder if anyone can help me solve a puzzle about a James Sayer of Whitby. > > James was born in about 1815 in Whitby, the son of James Sayer and Charlotte > (nee Williamson) > > By 1841 James would appear to have been married and living in Haggersgate, > Whitby, and according to the census, working as a house carpenter. > > The 1851 census lists a James born at East Row, Whitby, living with wife > Isabella and a niece, Isabella Cook ( Isabella, aged 15, has not been > identified as yet). James was apparently working as a jet factor in > Ruswarp, Whitby, quite a different occupation from Carpenter. > > Then the 1855 Slaters director has a James Sayer listed as a ship owner > living at Wellington Place. > > In 1861 census a James and Isabella and their niece Isabella Cook are listed > at Wellington Terrace, Whitby. (is this the same as Wellington Place or a > different address?) Again is this the same James- his place of birth is now > given as Newholme cum Dunsley, not Whitby. (There is a Newholm, Whitby but > the census clearly states Newholme cum Dunsley). > > James does not appear on the 1871 census so perhaps he died - there is a > death of a James Sayers in qtr ending June 1862 in Whitby. > > So, why the variety of occupations - do we have one James here or two? The > birth date of 1815/16 seems consistent but the birth place varies and so do > the occupations. of course, it is possible that he started work as a > carpenter, made the boat which he leased out, and worked himself as a worker > of jet until his death in the early 1860s. I've checked Ancestry.co.uk for > any obvious answers, but nothing. > > Would any lister have the answer? I dont have his marriage record and have > not had sight of any original birth or death records. Are there some local > records that might help? >

I have found a marriage in 1924 of Joseph M YOUNG and Eva A ALMOND and a possible child born in 1927 - Basil YOUNG. I believe that Joseph YOUNG is a part of my CLARK family. The 1901 census index shows Eva ALMOND as a 6 year old, living with her parents John and Dorothy and siblings Dorothy 8,Elizabeth 15, Emily 21, John 16 and William 14. All born in Northallerton. I would like to learn more, especially about Eva and Joseph YOUNG, their son Basil and any other children they may have had. Can anyone help, please? Regards Ailsa Petrie Hamilton New Zealand -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.9/261 - Release Date: 15/02/2006

Hello I wonder if anyone can help me solve a puzzle about a James Sayer of Whitby. James was born in about 1815 in Whitby, the son of James Sayer and Charlotte (nee Williamson) By 1841 James would appear to have been married and living in Haggersgate, Whitby, and according to the census, working as a house carpenter. The 1851 census lists a James born at East Row, Whitby, living with wife Isabella and a niece, Isabella Cook ( Isabella, aged 15, has not been identified as yet). James was apparently working as a jet factor in Ruswarp, Whitby, quite a different occupation from Carpenter. Then the 1855 Slaters director has a James Sayer listed as a ship owner living at Wellington Place. In 1861 census a James and Isabella and their niece Isabella Cook are listed at Wellington Terrace, Whitby. (is this the same as Wellington Place or a different address?) Again is this the same James- his place of birth is now given as Newholme cum Dunsley, not Whitby. (There is a Newholm, Whitby but the census clearly states Newholme cum Dunsley). James does not appear on the 1871 census so perhaps he died - there is a death of a James Sayers in qtr ending June 1862 in Whitby. So, why the variety of occupations - do we have one James here or two? The birth date of 1815/16 seems consistent but the birth place varies and so do the occupations. of course, it is possible that he started work as a carpenter, made the boat which he leased out, and worked himself as a worker of jet until his death in the early 1860s. I've checked Ancestry.co.uk for any obvious answers, but nothing. Would any lister have the answer? I dont have his marriage record and have not had sight of any original birth or death records. Are there some local records that might help? Fingers crossed Laurel Sayer Surrey (researching all instances of Sayer and varients in Yorkshire and Durham)

Hello all, Don't forget! This evening ..... The County Record Office for North Yorkshire, together with BBC Radio York are holding a 'Family History Surgery' on Wednesday evening, 15th February 2006, between 5pm and 8.30pm. Several experts will be on hand to answer your family history questions. BBC Radio York will be recording family history stories. Please come along and see what it's about. (But please book if you need to talk to one of the experts). Nobody will be under any pressure to talk to the BBC, but if you do have an interesting story and would like to share it with the world, here is your opportunity. I don't think there will be any live broadcasting here, but they do hope to record a few stories. The County Record Office is in Malpas Road, Northallerton, close to County Hall and the railway station, and only a few minutes walk from the centre of the town. Multimap: http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=public&X=436500&Y=493500&width=500&height=300&gride=&gridn=&srec=0&coordsys=gb&db=GB&addr1=&addr2=Malpas+Road&addr3=dl7&pc=dl7&advanced=&local=&localinfosel=&kw=&inmap=&table=&ovtype=&keepicon=&zm=0&scale=5000&out.x=7&out.y=12 See you there! Regards, Janice Wood www.yorksgen.com www.btinternet.com/~jansfamily/ www.yorkshireancestors.com www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org in North Yorkshire Researching: BANKS, BEALL, BULMER, CALVERT, COCKERILL, FISHER, FOX, FOXTON, GARBUT, HARRISON, HAWKINS, HOLYDAY, HURD, KIRK, LOWTHER, MATTISON, NAWTON, PATTISON, PICKARD, PICKERING, POTTER, SCAIFE, SHOUT, SIMPSON, SKILBECK, STAINTHORPE, STONEHOUSE, THOMPSON, TRENHOLM(E), WARRINER, WEATHERILL, WEDGEWOOD, WILSON, and WOOD.

Hi Gordon, You WERE posh then, I had to settle for an old annual from the local jumble sale, for the cost of a threepenny bit, sometimes a penny, that annual was thick enough to sit on the one skate (never had two by the way) and steered it by moving the book, okay until you fell off going around corners, Another money saving trick was going to the pictures. After I had completed my paper round I was able to dash uptown and by standing outside the various cinemas, for about the 5.30pm showing, I would ask couples if they 'would take me in please'. If the film was a U, it was okay, I needed an adult if it was A. If I was lucky enough someone would not take me in, but also pay the 1/-d admission price. Even better, sometimes they 'elevated' me to 'upstairs and brought me an ice cream from the usherette at half time. Never thought it was wrong to speak to strangers. Now to see just ONE film costs over a fiver, and no fish and chips afterwards. regards John still looking for ANY of the undermentioned names ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Neal" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 8:43 PM Subject: [YKS] Yorks. in 40's and 50's > Hi,All, > Reading all these emails of memories of the 40's and 50's leaves me wondering whether to laugh or cry. > My grandchildren keep pestering me to tell them what life was like as a child.Now ,I don't have to worry. It's all been done for me: just press the "Forward" button. > Seeing kids on their modern skateboards reminds me of mine. It was a piece of wood ,about 2 ft X 1ft, which was placed on an old metal roller skate.We sat on the board ,with knees crossed , and with good balance could sail all the way to the bottom of the street.With such small wheels, an un-noticed pebble or small hole could prove quite dissasterous. You learned the 'hard way' to place your hands flat on top of the board; no knuckles underneath. > As it sometimes happens ,somebody spoils kids' fun. Local Council workmen. The first two would pour buckets of tar on the road,the next pair spread it with brooms and the last ones would throw shovelsful of pebbles.Even after the steamroller had passed over ,the 'track' was ruined. > Not to worry ,though. There were plenty of other ways to keep ourselves occupied and out of mischief. > Waiting to hear more. Gordon Neal. Shuswap Lakes, B.C. Canada. > > > ==== YORKSGEN Mailing List ==== > Yorkshire Archaeological Society - Parish Registers Section > Claremont. Clarendon Road. Leeds. LS2 9NZ > http://www.yorkshireparishregisters.com > -- ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 168 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now!

Hi, > Sometimes too Jack is a pet name for John. We have to be a bit careful though. The births indexes show that plenty of children were actually named Jack, Betsy, Tom, Sally, Fred and so on. One recurring problem with transcripts is that names on census pages frequently give an abbreviated name followed by a colon, as in Eliza: On most occasions, this will have been transcribed as Eliza and not Elizabeth. One can never win! Jim Balmer Website: freespace.virgin.net/jim.balmer

There is a marriage showing on FreeBMD for a William Hardy and a Margaret Stott, March Quarter 1877 in Leyburn. 9d 849 Jo :) http://www.tribalpages.com/tribes/jo14 I use Archive CD Books to do my family history research http://www.archivecdbooks.org/ http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/index.php?referrerid=18 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Broughton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [NYorks] Help with shortened names > Hi > That is fantastic information , i have been wondering if it was a stott > that william hardy married, my grandmother was not too sure if it was or > not. > > Thankyou ever so much, i have been having such problems with this family! > (im a student and so cant afford a subscription to ancestry and could only > find the 1901 census entry and even then i wasnt all too sure with some of > the names being different). > > Many thanks to all of you! You have made my day! > Laura > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Helen Oram" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 3:36 PM > Subject: Re: [NYorks] Help with shortened names > > >> Hello Laura, >> 1901 census RG13/4603 fol 8 p 7 >> >> East Witton YKS >> >> William HARDY 46 general labourer Ellingstring YKS >> Margaret " 45 wife Middlesmoor YKS >> Sarah " 21 dau E. Witton Within >> William " 14 son " >> John " 13 " " >> Leslie " 9 " " >> Ann " 16 dau " >> >> East Witton parish is divided into "Within" & "Without". >> >> 1891 census RG12/4030 fol 25 p 2 >> >> East Witton >> >> family consists of William 36 >> Margaret 35 >> Ralph S. 13 >> Sarah J. 11 >> Mary E. 8 >> Ann 6 >> William R. 4 >> John 3 >> >> 1881 census >> >> Household: >> >> Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation >> Disability >> William GRAHAM Head M Male 57 East Witton, York, England >> Farmer (209 Acres) >> Ann GRAHAM Wife M Female 63 Rookwith, York, England Farmers >> Wife >> Hannah HESLOP Sister W Female 66 East Witton, York, England >> Widow Of The Late Vicar Of East Witton >> Ann GRAHAM Sister U Female 60 East Witton, York, England >> Farmers Daur >> William HARDY Serv M Male 26 Ellingstring, York, England Farm >> Servant (Indoor) >> William METCALF Serv M Male 32 Grewelthorpe, York, England >> Farm Servant (Indoor) >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ------- >> Source Information: >> Dwelling Waterloo >> Census Place East Witton Within, York, England >> Family History Library Film 1342173 >> Public Records Office Reference RG11 >> Piece / Folio 4873 / 28 >> Page Number 1 >> >> >> Household: >> >> Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation >> Disability >> William STOTT Head M Male 55 Middlesmoor, York, England >> Shepherd >> Sarah STOTT Wife M Female 51 Middlesmoor, York, England >> Mary STOTT Daur U Female 21 Middlesmoor, York, England >> Dressmaker >> William STOTT Son Male 14 Middlesmoor, York, England Scholar >> Margaret HARDY Visitor ((Daur)) M Female 25 Middlesmoor, York, >> England Farm Labourers Wife >> Ralph HARDY Visitor (Grdson) Male 3 East Witton, York, >> England >> Sarah Jane HARDY Visitor (Grddaur) Female 1 East Witton, >> York, England >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ------- >> Source Information: >> Dwelling Tranmire >> Census Place East Witton Without, York, England >> Family History Library Film 1342173 >> Public Records Office Reference RG11 >> Piece / Folio 4873 / 85 >> Page Number 2 >> >> >> Hope this is what you are looking for. >> -- >> Helen Oram >> >> >> ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== >> Hoaxes and Urban Legends on the Internet >> http://www.snopes.com/ >> <A HREF="http://www.snopes.com/">Snopes.com</a> >> >> ============================== >> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >> >> > > > ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== > Check out other genealogy resources on the net at John Fuller's most > helpful site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hi That is fantastic information , i have been wondering if it was a stott that william hardy married, my grandmother was not too sure if it was or not. Thankyou ever so much, i have been having such problems with this family! (im a student and so cant afford a subscription to ancestry and could only find the 1901 census entry and even then i wasnt all too sure with some of the names being different). Many thanks to all of you! You have made my day! Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Oram" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [NYorks] Help with shortened names > Hello Laura, > 1901 census RG13/4603 fol 8 p 7 > > East Witton YKS > > William HARDY 46 general labourer Ellingstring YKS > Margaret " 45 wife Middlesmoor YKS > Sarah " 21 dau E. Witton Within > William " 14 son " > John " 13 " " > Leslie " 9 " " > Ann " 16 dau " > > East Witton parish is divided into "Within" & "Without". > > 1891 census RG12/4030 fol 25 p 2 > > East Witton > > family consists of William 36 > Margaret 35 > Ralph S. 13 > Sarah J. 11 > Mary E. 8 > Ann 6 > William R. 4 > John 3 > > 1881 census > > Household: > > Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability > William GRAHAM Head M Male 57 East Witton, York, England Farmer > (209 Acres) > Ann GRAHAM Wife M Female 63 Rookwith, York, England Farmers > Wife > Hannah HESLOP Sister W Female 66 East Witton, York, England > Widow Of The Late Vicar Of East Witton > Ann GRAHAM Sister U Female 60 East Witton, York, England > Farmers Daur > William HARDY Serv M Male 26 Ellingstring, York, England Farm > Servant (Indoor) > William METCALF Serv M Male 32 Grewelthorpe, York, England Farm > Servant (Indoor) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------- > Source Information: > Dwelling Waterloo > Census Place East Witton Within, York, England > Family History Library Film 1342173 > Public Records Office Reference RG11 > Piece / Folio 4873 / 28 > Page Number 1 > > > Household: > > Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability > William STOTT Head M Male 55 Middlesmoor, York, England > Shepherd > Sarah STOTT Wife M Female 51 Middlesmoor, York, England > Mary STOTT Daur U Female 21 Middlesmoor, York, England > Dressmaker > William STOTT Son Male 14 Middlesmoor, York, England Scholar > Margaret HARDY Visitor ((Daur)) M Female 25 Middlesmoor, York, > England Farm Labourers Wife > Ralph HARDY Visitor (Grdson) Male 3 East Witton, York, England > Sarah Jane HARDY Visitor (Grddaur) Female 1 East Witton, York, > England > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------- > Source Information: > Dwelling Tranmire > Census Place East Witton Without, York, England > Family History Library Film 1342173 > Public Records Office Reference RG11 > Piece / Folio 4873 / 85 > Page Number 2 > > > Hope this is what you are looking for. > -- > Helen Oram > > > ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== > Hoaxes and Urban Legends on the Internet > http://www.snopes.com/ > <A HREF="http://www.snopes.com/">Snopes.com</a> > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

Hello Laura, 1901 census RG13/4603 fol 8 p 7 East Witton YKS William HARDY 46 general labourer Ellingstring YKS Margaret " 45 wife Middlesmoor YKS Sarah " 21 dau E. Witton Within William " 14 son " John " 13 " " Leslie " 9 " " Ann " 16 dau " East Witton parish is divided into "Within" & "Without". 1891 census RG12/4030 fol 25 p 2 East Witton family consists of William 36 Margaret 35 Ralph S. 13 Sarah J. 11 Mary E. 8 Ann 6 William R. 4 John 3 1881 census Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability William GRAHAM Head M Male 57 East Witton, York, England Farmer (209 Acres) Ann GRAHAM Wife M Female 63 Rookwith, York, England Farmers Wife Hannah HESLOP Sister W Female 66 East Witton, York, England Widow Of The Late Vicar Of East Witton Ann GRAHAM Sister U Female 60 East Witton, York, England Farmers Daur William HARDY Serv M Male 26 Ellingstring, York, England Farm Servant (Indoor) William METCALF Serv M Male 32 Grewelthorpe, York, England Farm Servant (Indoor) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Source Information: Dwelling Waterloo Census Place East Witton Within, York, England Family History Library Film 1342173 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 4873 / 28 Page Number 1 Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability William STOTT Head M Male 55 Middlesmoor, York, England Shepherd Sarah STOTT Wife M Female 51 Middlesmoor, York, England Mary STOTT Daur U Female 21 Middlesmoor, York, England Dressmaker William STOTT Son Male 14 Middlesmoor, York, England Scholar Margaret HARDY Visitor ((Daur)) M Female 25 Middlesmoor, York, England Farm Labourers Wife Ralph HARDY Visitor (Grdson) Male 3 East Witton, York, England Sarah Jane HARDY Visitor (Grddaur) Female 1 East Witton, York, England ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Source Information: Dwelling Tranmire Census Place East Witton Without, York, England Family History Library Film 1342173 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 4873 / 85 Page Number 2 Hope this is what you are looking for. -- Helen Oram

By the way Laura, what year are you looking for in the census? Sometimes too Jack is a pet name for John. In 1901 there is a family, with a William and Margaret, childrens names, Sarah, William, John, Leslie, and Ann in East Witton, Leyburn. In 1891 childrens names, Ralph S, Sarah J, Mary E, Ann, William R and John. In 1881 there is a Margaret Hardy and children Ralph and Sarah Jane as visitors in a family called Stott in East Witton Without. If this is the family you are looking for I can give you further details. Jo :) http://www.tribalpages.com/tribes/jo14 I use Archive CD Books to do my family history research http://www.archivecdbooks.org/ http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/index.php?referrerid=18 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Broughton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 2:22 PM Subject: [NYorks] Help with shortened names > Hello list > i am having problems with finding a name, does anyone know if Molly was > short for something else? And similarly the name Sally (like betty, lizzy > or eliza are short for elizabeth)....i just cant seem to find this person > who should be living in the leyburn area with parents william and margaret > hardy. I am having trouble doing the look up probably because i am > entering "sally" when it is short for something else, or a middle name. > > These are the only names and dates i have: > > William Hardy - father > Margaret Hardy (previously stott?) - mother > leslie hardy - sept 1891 - my great grandfather > ralph hardy > jack hardy > sally hardy > molly hardy > william hardy > annie hardy > > If anyone is researching this area and happens to have any information or > look ups i would be very grateful! > > Many thanks > Laura > > > ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== > Hoaxes and Urban Legends on the Internet > http://www.snopes.com/ > <A HREF="http://www.snopes.com/">Snopes.com</a> > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

Thanks for the link to such a fantastic website Jo, and also thanks to Jim, i had no idea molly was a mary. An interesting note at the bottom of the page mentioned marjory, which is a family name down that line, so perhaps that is also a possibility as well as Mary. Thanks! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Balmer" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [NYorks] Help with shortened names > Hi Laura, > >> Molly > > Normally Mary > >> Sally > > Probably Sarah. > > > > Jim Balmer > > Website: freespace.virgin.net/jim.balmer > > > > > ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== > Check out other genealogy resources on the net at John Fuller's most > helpful site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail.html > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > >

Hi Laura, > Molly Normally Mary > Sally Probably Sarah. Jim Balmer Website: freespace.virgin.net/jim.balmer

This Web site is really good looking for Pet names. It was started for Scottish names. http://www.whatsinaname.net/ They have Molly as a pet name for Mary and Sally as a pet name for Sarah. In my family we have a Sarah but she gets called Sally. Jo :) http://www.tribalpages.com/tribes/jo14 I use Archive CD Books to do my family history research http://www.archivecdbooks.org/ http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/index.php?referrerid=18 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Broughton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 2:22 PM Subject: [NYorks] Help with shortened names > Hello list > i am having problems with finding a name, does anyone know if Molly was > short for something else? And similarly the name Sally (like betty, lizzy > or eliza are short for elizabeth)....i just cant seem to find this person > who should be living in the leyburn area with parents william and margaret > hardy. I am having trouble doing the look up probably because i am > entering "sally" when it is short for something else, or a middle name. > > These are the only names and dates i have: > > William Hardy - father > Margaret Hardy (previously stott?) - mother > leslie hardy - sept 1891 - my great grandfather > ralph hardy > jack hardy > sally hardy > molly hardy > william hardy > annie hardy > > If anyone is researching this area and happens to have any information or > look ups i would be very grateful! > > Many thanks > Laura > > > ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== > Hoaxes and Urban Legends on the Internet > http://www.snopes.com/ > <A HREF="http://www.snopes.com/">Snopes.com</a> > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >