Margaret, try contacting Pat, she is the main contact for the Porteous association. There is a good lot of information available on the Porteous family. Pat Allan [email protected] Cheers, Jenny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Wood" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 8:28 AM Subject: New lister interest PORTEOUS Good day listers. I am new to this list and looking for the following: I can find no trace of this family, (sister and two brothers) after 1851 census Mary Ann PORTEOUS born 2 May 1841 Northallerton Mary's daughter Jane Boddy PORTEOUS born 5 March 1859 Northallerton Williamson PORTEOUS born 15 September 1845 Little Langton Northallerton John PORTEOUS born 9 May 1848 Helperby Any assistance would be appreciated Many thanks Margaret Wood South Africa

Would appreciate help on filling in this blank Innis family line. John Alexander INNIS bap 20th Oct 1823 Cawthorne by Barnsley Yks son of William INNIS and Judith HAWTHORNE This family moved from the above address to Playhouse Yard, Stockton-on-Tees Durham sometime between the above date and the 23rd Oct 1825 when their daughter Ann INNIFS was baptised in St Thomas Church Stockton. The surname of Innis has been spelt in various ways on the parish records {INNISS/ INNIFS} /INNIS/ INNES/INIS. Do you have information on a John Alexander Innis in your family tree. Rose Morrison in Australia

Good day listers Is there SKS who could check the 1841 census for Richard SMITH born between 1823 and 1825 Oulston or Sowerby North Yorks? He would be between 15 and 17 years of age based on the census returns from 1851 to 1891. I am hoping to find him with his parents to establish who they were. Many thanks Margaret Wood South Africa

Good day listers. I am new to this list and looking for the following: I can find no trace of this family, (sister and two brothers) after 1851 census Mary Ann PORTEOUS born 2 May 1841 Northallerton Mary's daughter Jane Boddy PORTEOUS born 5 March 1859 Northallerton Williamson PORTEOUS born 15 September 1845 Little Langton Northallerton John PORTEOUS born 9 May 1848 Helperby Any assistance would be appreciated Many thanks Margaret Wood South Africa

Hello to the List, I am still looking to find where members of this family might be buried and am now wondering whether it might be in the Cathedral graveyard (I guess that there is one?). The Council has told me that they have no record of burials for that name. John Briscoe BRISCOMBE died 12 November 1934. He had been a City Councillor of Ripon over many years and owned a shop in Kirkgate. His second wife, Dora Ann, died in the second quarter of 1944. Would anyone be in a position to check the Ripon newspaper for me, around the date of death, please? I'm sure there would have been a notice of John Briscombe's death in 1934 and possibly an obituary. I am hoping that one of them might give the place of burial, then I can search for burial records. My thanks to anyone who is able to help. Regards Ailsa Petrie Hamilton New Zealand -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 24/03/2006

Hi List, Posting new names I have found in my tree in RIPON Edith A COLMAN Walter COLMAN born 1875 Joseph COLMAN Horace COLMAN Walter COLMAN born 1905 Sarah Ann HUNT born 1876 If you have these names I would like you to get in contact. Regards Val -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 3/24/2006

Hi, I'm researching CALVERT from Northallerton. Would be interested in making contact with others researching the name in this area. Thanks, Allie in Oz _________________________________________________________________ mycareer.com.au: http://www.mycareer.com.au/?s_cid=213596 Land the Job

Hello Everyone Back in 1998, some light hearted discussions were made on another List about jokingly getting together and camping out on someone's front lawn. From this discussion, came the idea about seriously getting together in York. This actually became a reality in July 2000, when a large number of people came from all over the world to York for a get together which we named Yorksgen 2000. For many, this was their first trip to the UK and the opportunity to walk the land of their ancestors, visit the parishes their ancestors came from, learn about Yorkshire, do research at the many Archives and meet with others who also had an interest in family researching in Yorkshire. We rented 10 bedroom houses near York University with shared facilities at an excellent price. A program was prepared which was optional. This event was such a success that it was repeated in 2002 and 2004. At present we are planning another event which takes place from July 8-22, 2006. This is a non-profit event. Rooms are available for either the week of July 8-15 or July 15-22 at a cost of 70 pounds per single room per week. Again, there is an optional program. At present, we have 9 people from the USA, 8 from Canada, 7 from Australia, 2 from New Zealand, 1 from Portugal and 1 from Germany. In addition, we have a large number of people coming from the UK. Many people are coming solo, others bringing a family member, friend or spouse. This is the perfect opportunity for people who wish to do research in Yorkshire. York is about a 10 minute bus ride away and from York, there are lots of transportation links to the many different areas of Yorkshire. More info is available at the following site: http://www.yorksgen.com Just follow the links to Yorksgen 2006. If anyone would like additional info, please contact me offlist. Janet Lovegrove

Hi again Thank you to the two listers on the Durham and Yorkshire mail boards who responded to my enquiry re the relationship of William to Master......... given in the 1597 will of William Saier in which it was suggested that perhaps the word Master meant son, in the way that we still refer to a young boy as master. However the will states `It[e]m I com[m]itt the tuition of my sonne John Saer and his porc[i[on unto my m[aste]r master John Saier' This indicates Master John Saier was in fact an adult relative being asked to supervise the education of William's young son John Saier, a minor. You'll remember that another section of the will referred to other Saier relatives as `Master', eg. `It[e]m I give and bequeath my whole title and Interest of my farme in Kilvington aforesayed unto John my sonne, in considerac{i}o[n] of his child[e]s porc{i}on. It[e]m I give unto my master M[aste]r John Saer xxs. It[e]m I give unto M[aste]r George Saer xs and to wife xs and to M[ist]res Westrop xs. It[e]m I give unto M[aste]r Richard Saer[e]s eldest sonne iijli vjs viijd. It[e]m I give to my brother Frauncis Saer[e]s children 2 xli.' So, I so think Master may mean brother, or a senior relative like an uncle. Would anyone else have any thoughts? It would be good to resolve as I'm sure that lots of wills written at this time referred to people in such terms and I wouldnt want to make any wrong assumptions! By the way, thank you for some very useful comments re monetary values - fascinating!! Cheers Laurel Sayer (researching all instances of Sayer and varients in North Yorkshire and Durham) > >

Yes, Thanks Don My mistake. Sorry. All the best Dave Dixon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Coulson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [NYorks] Re: Terminology in Wills - money > 1/3rd of £1 = 6/8d > > 2/3rd of £1 = 13/4d (not 13/6d) > > Don. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.5/284 - Release Date: 17/03/2006

On 18 Mar 2006, at 13:40, Jenny De Angelis wrote: > I believe the terms 1/3rd and 2/3rd. of a pound revert back to the > weight of > a pound of gold which is what the value everyhthing was originally > measured > against. This is probably where the saying "worth it's weight in > gold" comes from. Not quite. The Pound (£) was originally the value of one pound weight of 92.5 % fine (sterling) silver, hence £ Sterling. Jim Balmer

1/3rd of £1 = 6/8d 2/3rd of £1 = 13/4d (not 13/6d) Don.

A third of a pound would be 6/8d. two thirs therefore would be 13/6d. 240pence to the pound. I believe the terms 1/3rd and 2/3rd. of a pound revert back to the weight of a pound of gold which is what the value everyhthing was originally measured against. This is probably where the saying "worth it's weight in gold" comes from. I think in the first of the figures you give below, iijli, might mean iij Li meaning iii Libra or 3 pounds sterling, not a pound weight. My copy of Eve Mc Laughlin's Guide to Simple Latin for Family Historians shows that L = £1 a pound seterling, S - Solidus = a Shilling, d- Dinarius = a Penny. As I said in another message, Eve Mclaughlin's guides as well as many other guides and publications are available through the Fed. FHSs. http://www.ffhs.org.uk/ very useful they are too and not expensive. Regards Jenny DeAngelis Spain. > but I noted the amount of iijli vjs viijd (£3 -6s - 8d). > I have also seen sums of £n - 13s - 4d. > > What was the reason for using 1/3 rd and 2/3 rd of a Pound ? >

YOu can buy all of Eve McLaughlins guides through the Fedration of Family History Societies who sell publications online through the Genfair site. See this site. http://www.ffhs.org.uk/ and follow the link to Genfair which is at the top right of the page. You will see at Genfair that quite a lot of FHSs also sell their publications as well as searches of their databases and also subcription to those FHSs. Very useful for those of us who can't pay eaily in Sterling as they take credit cards over a secure server. I have used this service and find it works well. Genfair deal with the payment and pass the order onto the FHSs concerned who send out the publications etc., regards Jenny DeAngelis Spain. > just noting you saying about Eve Mclaughlin's giudes. > I bought, a good while back, some of her bookletts. Brilliant and so > easy to read and not expensive. I think they were about £2.00 each. I > don't know of a web site address

> > > > What was the reason for using 1/3 rd and 2/3 rd of a Pound ? > > This is a hangover from a much earlier period when there were coins known as "Nobles" and "Marks". A "Noble" was worth a third of a pound ie: 6 shillings and 8 pence. (Therefore 3 "Nobles" to the pound). A "Mark" was worth two thirds of a pound ie: 13 shillings and 6 pence. All the best Dave Dixon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.5/284 - Release Date: 17/03/2006

Hi Jack, just noting you saying about Eve Mclaughlin's giudes. I bought, a good while back, some of her bookletts. Brilliant and so easy to read and not expensive. I think they were about £2.00 each. I don't know of a web site address but this is an email that is also shown on FreeReg. [email protected] I first emailed to ask what she had and soon had a reply. I have no connection to this at all but thought it may help others looking for help in reading things themselves. Jo :) http://www.tribalpages.com/tribes/jo14 I use Archive CD Books to do my family history research http://www.archivecdbooks.org/ http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/index.php?referrerid=18 ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [NYorks] Terminology in wills > Laurel > enjoyed looking at yoyr Saer will > > If his sonne was John why would Master John Saer be a son ? maybe a > grandson > ! > > looked at xxs and thought that would possibly be 20 shillings. xs ten > shillings. iijli Eva Mclaughlin`s Guide Reading old hand writing says that > the > final, or maybe only i was lenghtened to j. > > Have Sayer family at Bowes 1687 to a marriage in 1746 > > Jack > > > ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== > Hoaxes and Urban Legends on the Internet > http://www.snopes.com/ > <A HREF="http://www.snopes.com/">Snopes.com</a> > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > >

Hi John, I found this page of the BBC TV site http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/2321019.stm on the subject of Cinema Pianists. This should answer you questions about how they worked. You are probably right about the job description for the census Cinematograph Pianist I should think would cover it. Regards Jenny DeAngelis In a chilly but sunny Spain. > Hi everyone, > Just enjoyed watching three Buster Keaton movies from the 1918 era. > Very funny and caused a lot of thought. Two of which are, > 1. Was the music played on the piano issued with the film, or did the > pianist make it up as he went? and > 2. What would the pianist enter down as his job occupation, a pianist or > cinemagraphic accompanist. > Still looking for any HUME's out there plus the 'other lot'.

I can't help on 'Master', but I noted the amount of iijli vjs viijd (£3 -6s - 8d). I have also seen sums of £n - 13s - 4d. What was the reason for using 1/3 rd and 2/3 rd of a Pound ? I have an Inventory all priced up in Roman Numerals. Very tricky to add up the total ! Bob.

Laurel enjoyed looking at yoyr Saer will If his sonne was John why would Master John Saer be a son ? maybe a grandson ! looked at xxs and thought that would possibly be 20 shillings. xs ten shillings. iijli Eva Mclaughlin`s Guide Reading old hand writing says that the final, or maybe only i was lenghtened to j. Have Sayer family at Bowes 1687 to a marriage in 1746 Jack

I think the master's are his younger son's. I love the 4 oxen left to his daughter Elizabeth Cathy Girl from the most likley place in England --------------------------------- To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre.