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I believe JOHN BOWES born in MELONSBY 1809 is my ancestor. His father was EDWARD BOWES and mother JANE? This as much as I know. If anyone is able to add anything to this, it would be great. Thanks.

Where is that from Hutton Cranwick?....I have a JANE BOWES born 1800...daughter of Richard and Elizabeth...she was Edward Henderson of Stanwick St John 1st wife.....married May 24 1817....could your John be a brother? -----Original Message----- From: eng-north-yorks-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-north-yorks-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Brian Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 7:36 PM To: ENG-NORTH-YORKS@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-NORTH-YORKS] JOHN BOWES 1809 - MELONSBY I believe JOHN BOWES born in MELONSBY 1809 is my ancestor. His father was EDWARD BOWES and mother JANE? This as much as I know. If anyone is able to add anything to this, it would be great. Thanks. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-NORTH-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.6/900 - Release Date: 7/14/2007 3:36 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.6/900 - Release Date: 7/14/2007 3:36 PM

Hi Listers, I'm back after a couple of years and am trying to find Trevor Holmes who wrote to me a couple of years ago in relation to Robert Holmes and Hannah Petty (widow of Thomas Petty) married in Whitby in 1847. I'm hoping he's still on the list but he seems to have changed email address since we last corresponded. I would be pleased to hear from anyone else who has an interest in the Petty name in North Yorkshire. My particular interest is in descendants of Thomas Petty and Ruth Ripley married in Lythe in 1766 Many thanks, Sue in Melbourne, Australia -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 4529 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now!

I do not know how relevant this is, but in one line of my ancestors there were flax dressers, and I was surprised how much they seemed to move about. James Boult (or Bolt) was born in Whitby. The place and date of his first marriage is unknown (to Margaret, and it must have been in about 1816, when Margaret was about 20), but the first child was born in Whitby, so I suppose they lived there. However, two sons were then born (1821 & 1823) in Knaresborough. Then there were daughters born, one in Whitby and then one in Stokesley; Margaret died in Stokesley in 1828, probably soon after the birth of the last child. James remarried, in Masham, even though his bride, Ann Bowes, came from Great Ayton. After that the family lived in Stokesley or Hutton Rudby. Ann also seems to have been in the flax/linen industry, and her sister, and a daughter, were also recorded in 1851 as working in the linen trade - flax dressing and weaving - in Osmotherley, This probably does not help your family line, but may cast some light on the industry. Also Trade Directories of the early 1800s seem to list flax dressing as a major industry - how much of this was to supply the shipping industry? Brian Mulhall PS - any information on the James Boult-Margaret marriage above would be greatly appreciated. Does anybody know anything about weavers(linen) in the Hampsthaite area. My family the Hutchinson`s lived there from the C1600 but all had left by the 1841 census My Hutchinson`s moved first to Bury in C1808 & then to Leeds. > > Does anybody have any family tree who did something similar. > > Dorothy Mary > > > --------------------------------- > New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find > out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win > prizes. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-NORTH-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

and only just started this... Looking for Chattertons with a Beaumont connection contemporary,c1900 said to be 'Holmfirth' but very few on the census Just clocking in! josi in Hastings

Does anybody know anything about weavers(linen) in the Hampsthaite area. My family the Hutchinson`s lived there from the C1600 but all had left by the 1841 census My Hutchinson`s moved first to Bury in C1808 & then to Leeds. Does anybody have any family tree who did something similar. Dorothy Mary --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes.

If you are ready this list Jason, please get in touch at jgw321@gmail.com. JG

Hello Roz & all , By looking through all my papers I have uncovered more information about my SMITH family that once lived in Thirsk. My John & Jane SMITH of Thirsk plus children immigrated to the USA in 1818. They also traveled with John's mother, Elizabeth BROWN and also the George BELL family. (John Smith's father was Thomas Smith 1741-1789 Thirsk.) Other information which I just located is as follows: Enclosure AWARD dated 1797. This went to William SMITH born 1733 died 1812, batchelor. William was a butcher, brother to Thomas SMITH born 1741-died 1789. Their father was William SMITH of Thirsk, died 1754--July 2. Now the Enclosure AWARD of 1797 lists William SMITH a tenant of Sir Thomas FRANKLAND of Thirkleby Hall. William Smith's award consists of 4 messuages in Long Street, together with a Garth and a Close. Question: The person that found this information for me back in 2004 seems to tell me that this land of Long Street, of this award --tells me that this allotments adjoining those awarded to Wm SMITH are held by the Society of Methodists. My question to you, does anyone know if this Long Street still has cottages today possibly used by the Methodists or are they adjoining to the Methodists land? Looking forward in hearing your thoughts. Kind regards, Margaret Long Maryland, USA ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Hello Roz & all , By looking through all my papers I have uncovered more information about my SMITH family that once lived in Thirsk. My John & Jane SMITH of Thirsk plus children immigrated to the USA in 1818. They also traveled with John's mother, Elizabeth BROWN and also the George BELL family. (John Smith's father was Thomas Smith 1741-1789 Thirsk.) Other information which I just located is as follows: Enclosure AWARD dated 1797. This went to William SMITH born 1733 died 1812, batchelor. William was a butcher, brother to Thomas SMITH born 1741-died 1789. Their father was William SMITH of Thirsk, died 1754--July 2. Now the Enclosure AWARD of 1797 lists William SMITH a tenant of Sir Thomas FRANKLAND of Thirkleby Hall. William Smith's award consists of 4 messuages in Long Street, together with a Garth and a Close. Question: The person that found this information for me back in 2004 seems to tell me that this land of Long Street, of this award --tells me that this allotments adjoining those awarded to Wm SMITH are held by the Society of Methodists. My question to you, does anyone know if this Long Street still has cottages today possibly used by the Methodists or are they adjoining to the Methodists land? Looking forward in hearing your thoughts. Kind regards, Margaret Long Maryland, USA ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

I hope everyone had a very fruitful time at the York Gen Fair, in spite of the weather. I hope to make it next year. Meanwhile, here is this week's update. 2 submitters deleted because of bouncing emails and several new submissions. Deletions: Eunice (1) Eunice@cherry502.fsnet.co.uk Ann Copple (2) rcopple@portup.com New submissions: BAILEY, BOOTH, BURDETT, BURROW, BUTT(E)RICK CLAYTON HEBDEN, , HUSTARD, HUSTED LAMBERT MARSDEN, MARSON, MITCHELL ONEILL YOUNG Regards to everyone, Magdalena -- Magdalena Gorrell Guimaraens List Administrator INSTRUCTIONS FOR SUBMITTING NAMES and Home Page: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/YKSlist/ PLEASE ADDRESS ALL CORRESPONDENCE TO: ykssurnames@yahoo.com

Hi all I recently found a settlement certificate for Terrington in the North Riding and am passing on the following names in case they match anyone's interests. In the document the village of Dalby cum Skewsby accepted financial responsibility for William NOWLSON and family should they be unable to support themselves in Terrington. Date March 20th 1763 Persons certified William KNOWLSON, Ann his wife and Mary their daughter 'half a year old.' Dalby Church Wardens William BLYTH and John WALES Dalby Overseer of the Poor Thomas HORNSEY Witnesses Stephen LANCASTER Thomas BLYTH Justices of the Peace for the North Riding (assumed) B LEGARD Stephen CROFT Hope this is useful to someone. Geoff Blyth London

I will be out of the office starting 06/21/2007 and will not return until 06/26/2007. I will respond to your message when I return.

Good morning all I'm trying to identify the parents of George Sayers (born c 1808 Liverpool, Lancs). He is mentioned in the 1861 census return but I havnt found him anywhere else. This may be because George Sayers was a professional soldier and is likely to have served in the Army from about 1821 to 1846. (the 1861 census described his as an army pensioner). On leaving the army George is thought to have married and had a son John in 1847 in York. Certainly he was living with what was described as his wife Ann, and young son in Preston, Sussex in 1861. If Ann, 20 years younger than George according to that census, was the mother of his son John and they were married before Johns birth in 1848 then the wedding must have taken place sometime between 1846 - 1848 inc. and the only one that can be identified is that of a George Sayer to Ann Ball in district Devizes, Wiltshire in qtr June 1847 There was an Ann Ball of the correct age born in Liverpool (in 1831), but of course this was a common name and there were many others born elsewhere. Would anyone have access to the Liverpool PRs for around 1808? Also would anyone have access to military records - George Sayers may have been in a cavalry regiment given that his son subsequently joined the 5th Dragoon Guards in Leeds himself and served as a professional soldier. Fingers crossed Laurel Sayer

I hope everyone duly celebrated the Summer Solstice! As regards the list, only one submitter's entries were deleted because of a bouncing email address: James Stafford (1) jwstaff@ix.netcom.com 34 new surnames were added to the database this past week: BARKER, BIELBY, BUCKLES, BURBURY COLLINSON, COOPER EADES FIN(N)IN(G)LEY, FIRTH GRATTON, GREENWOOD, GREGORY HALL, HOLMES, HORSFALL, HOYLE JAGGER MARRINER, MARRISON, MERRILLS, MOODY, MORTIER NIGHTINGALE PEARSON, PIERSON, PILKINGTON, PLOWMAN, PYERSON SHARPE, SHIPTON, SUGGIT TILLOTSON, TURNER WITHEY May the druids be helpful with your research, Magdalena -- Magdalena Gorrell Guimaraens List Administrator INSTRUCTIONS FOR SUBMITTING NAMES and Home Page: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/YKSlist/ PLEASE ADDRESS ALL CORRESPONDENCE TO: ykssurnames@yahoo.com

Thank you, Michele and Mike, for your emails about when Our Lady, Star of the Sea Catholic Church was founded at Staithes. Yes, I have been to St. Joseph's Catholic Church in Bishop Thornton many times, most recently in May when I was in England. Thank you also for the website, which I will follow up on. Sincerely, Patricia Boddy Tharp> From: michele.harrison@ntlworld.com> To: eng-north-yorks@rootsweb.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:46:45 +0100> Subject: Re: [ENG-NORTH-YORKS] Hinderwell near Whitby; SPENCE> > Hi Patricia,> The following information is taken from Genuki-> 'The Catholic Church, dedicated to the Blessed Virgin under the title of> "Our Lady, Star of the Sea," is a neat Gothic edifice, erected from the> designs of Mr. M. Carr, architect, Middlesbrough. The need of a chapel had> long been felt by the Catholics of the village and neighbourhood, and at the> request of the Right Rev. Dr. Lacey, the Rev. Father Sullivan undertook the> very laborious task of establishing the mission. The foundation stone was> laid on the 31st July, 1884, and the church was publicly opened on the 2nd> of June, 1886. The altar is pitchpine, very chastely carved and highly> polished. Above the west door is a statue of the Blessed Virgin holding up> the hands of the Divine Child to bless, and a representation of a boat rowed> by two angels'.> It would seem therefore that this church did not exist at the time you are> looking. I think that the closest Catholic church to Hinderwell then would> be Ugthorpe, but other listers may know better.> You may find something useful in "Hearts of Oak", a study of the Recusancy> in the Moorlands of NorthEast Yorkshire 1569 to 1840.> http://ca.geocities.com/patriciablackburn2004/HeartsOfOak/coverpage.html> Also, are you aware that there was a Catholic church at Bishop Thornton -> St. Joseph.> HTH,> Michele> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patricia Tharp" <p_tharp@hotmail.com>> To: <eng-north-yorks@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 5:34 PM> Subject: [ENG-NORTH-YORKS] Hinderwell near Whitby; SPENCE> > > >> > Greetings!> >> > Does anyone know if a book has been written about the history of> Hinderwell near Whitby?> >> > The family that I am interested in was Roman Catholic and lived there in> the late 1830s and 1840s.> >> > Was The Church of our Lady, Star of the Sea in Staithes in existence then?> If not, does anyone know the nearest Catholic church to Hinderwell during> that time period?> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-NORTH-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Patricia, The following information is taken from Genuki- 'The Catholic Church, dedicated to the Blessed Virgin under the title of "Our Lady, Star of the Sea," is a neat Gothic edifice, erected from the designs of Mr. M. Carr, architect, Middlesbrough. The need of a chapel had long been felt by the Catholics of the village and neighbourhood, and at the request of the Right Rev. Dr. Lacey, the Rev. Father Sullivan undertook the very laborious task of establishing the mission. The foundation stone was laid on the 31st July, 1884, and the church was publicly opened on the 2nd of June, 1886. The altar is pitchpine, very chastely carved and highly polished. Above the west door is a statue of the Blessed Virgin holding up the hands of the Divine Child to bless, and a representation of a boat rowed by two angels'. It would seem therefore that this church did not exist at the time you are looking. I think that the closest Catholic church to Hinderwell then would be Ugthorpe, but other listers may know better. You may find something useful in "Hearts of Oak", a study of the Recusancy in the Moorlands of NorthEast Yorkshire 1569 to 1840. http://ca.geocities.com/patriciablackburn2004/HeartsOfOak/coverpage.html Also, are you aware that there was a Catholic church at Bishop Thornton - St. Joseph. HTH, Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Tharp" <p_tharp@hotmail.com> To: <eng-north-yorks@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 5:34 PM Subject: [ENG-NORTH-YORKS] Hinderwell near Whitby; SPENCE > > Greetings! > > Does anyone know if a book has been written about the history of Hinderwell near Whitby? > > The family that I am interested in was Roman Catholic and lived there in the late 1830s and 1840s. > > Was The Church of our Lady, Star of the Sea in Staithes in existence then? If not, does anyone know the nearest Catholic church to Hinderwell during that time period?

Our Lady Star of the Sea wasn't founded until 1885. Nearest RC church - possibly St Hilda, Whitby founded 1774. (NIPR) Regards Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Tharp" <p_tharp@hotmail.com> > Greetings! > > Does anyone know if a book has been written about the history of Hinderwell near Whitby? > > The family that I am interested in was Roman Catholic and lived there in the late 1830s and 1840s. > > Was The Church of our Lady, Star of the Sea in Staithes in existence then? If not, does anyone know the nearest Catholic church to > Hinderwell during that time period? >

Greetings! Does anyone know if a book has been written about the history of Hinderwell near Whitby? The family that I am interested in was Roman Catholic and lived there in the late 1830s and 1840s. Was The Church of our Lady, Star of the Sea in Staithes in existence then? If not, does anyone know the nearest Catholic church to Hinderwell during that time period? I've just learned that my relative Jane (nee BODDY) SPENCE and her husband John SPENCE, Surgeon, lived there with their family (per 1841 census). Previously, they had lived in Leeds and Lancashire, but by 1851 they had emigrated to America. I have been unable to learn who John SPENCE's parents were, or where he was born. (I do have MBA---he and Jane were married in Leeds. I also have baptism info for two of their four children). He died in America before 1857, place and date unknown. Jane later lived at Ft. Wayne, Indiana. She ( Jane Boddy Spence) was born in Bishop Thornton township near Ripon c. 1800 and I have a great deal of information on the Boddys. Thank you very much for any assistance. Sincerely, Patricia Boddy Tharp

Scorborough, not Scarborough, is actually the village covered by ENG-EAST-YORKS@rootsweb.com. They are often confused for each other. As per Genuki (work of the wonderful Colin Hinson) "SCORBOROUGH, a parish in the wapentake of Harthill; 5 miles N. of Beverley." (East Riding) and "SCARBOROUGH, a parish in the wapentake of Pickering Lythe, and liberty of Scarborough, in 54 degrees 17½ minutes N. latitude, and 22 minutes W. longitude, 17 miles from Pickering, 21 from Whitby, and 22 from Malton." (North Riding) Paul Don Coulson wrote: > Scarborough is also covered by ENG-EAST-YORKS@rootsweb.com > > Don. > > >