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    1. [ENG-NORTH-YORKS] ADMINISTRATION - PLEASE READ
    2. Lin Duke
    3. Beginning March 2nd, 2020 the Mailing Lists functionality on RootsWeb will be discontinued. Users will no longer be able to send outgoing emails or accept incoming emails. The archives will remain available and searchable on RootsWeb. A new group for anyone with genealogy interests in the North Riding of Yorkshire has been set up at https://groups.io/g/North-Riding-Yorkshire-gen Invitations to join this new group have been sent out to members of this list. If you wish to accept then please reply to it as soon as possible. No further invitations will be sent out. Alternatively you can join using the link above. Thank you to all who have contributed to the list over the past years, Lin Duke List owner

    02/06/2020 08:40:52
    1. [ENG-NORTH-YORKS] ADMINISTRATION - IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ
    2. Lin Duke
    3. Dear All You should by now have had invitation from me to join the new groups I've set up on groups.io to replace those hosted by Rootsweb before they are closed down in March. Please respond to this invitation as soon as possible or you can apply via the webpage https://groups.io/g/Yorksgen https://groups.io/g/East-Riding-Yorkshire-gen https://groups.io/g/North-Riding-Yorkshire-gen https://groups.io/g/West-Riding-Yorkshire-gen When you apply a confirmation email will be sent. If you don't receive one please check your junk folder. For those of you have already responded and have been accepted - thank you and welcome If you encounter any problems, please let be know, Lin Duke Lists Administrator

    01/13/2020 02:14:11
    1. [ENG-NORTH-YORKS] ADMINISTRATION - IMPORTANT PLEASE READ
    2. Lin Duke
    3. WOW!! I've logged on today to nearly 300 messages concerning my setting up a new mailing list to take over from Rootsweb I did originally consider Facebook but many would be unhappy to use it for genealogy or don't have a Facebook account. groups.io was suggested so I investigated and that does seem to fit the bill (the only downside is the free account has 1GB of storage; have no idea how long that lasts and what is done when the limit is reached. I shall not be paying to upgrade!! (I've Scottish blood in my veins as well as Yorkshire :) With this in mind I have set up another two groups -  one to replace the North Yorkshire list I administer: https://groups.io/g/North-Yorkshire-gen and the other to replace the West Riding list which I also administer https://groups.io/g/West-Riding-gen Yorksgen I think will replace the current Yorksgen list and also incorporate Eng-yorkshire and Eng-Yks-York https://groups.io/g/yorksgen I thought it best to do this now rather than months down the line. If you have subscribed to Yorksgen (https://groups.io/g/yorksgen) and you wish to leave and subscribe to one of the others please do so ( it is easy to do). It's going to take me some time to get through all the emails, so please bear with me. If you have asked me to add you to the group it would help enormously if you could join by using one of the three links (or all three if you have interests in all areas). Finally many thanks to those of you who are supporting me in this. Lin Duke

    01/09/2020 09:26:00
    1. [ENG-NORTH-YORKS] Re: ADMINISTRATION - IMPORTANT PLEASE READ
    2. Hello Lin, Thanks for the update. However should there be a full stop before https? Regards, Rod.

    01/09/2020 04:55:08
    1. [ENG-NORTH-YORKS] ADMINISTRATION - IMPORTANT PLEASE READ
    2. Lin Duke
    3. Further to my last email, I have been inundated with emails from members offering support for a new group. Quite a few have recommended groups.io which seems to fit the brief (other lists have migrated to it). It appears to be more secure than social media and has archives. So, I have tonight created a new group yorksgen@groups.io https://groups.io/g/yorksgen Please follow the link if you wish to join. I'm obviously on a learning curve so please bear with me in these early days. Lin Duke

    01/08/2020 05:36:03
    1. [ENG-NORTH-YORKS] ADMINISTRATION - IMPORTANT NOTICE
    2. Lin Duke
    3. I'm copying an email from Rootweb. I'm considering forming a facebook group to cover the Yorkshire lists I admin and am gauging your opinions as to whether that would be of interest. If so please email me directly (NOT to the lists). Thank you. Lin Duke soon to be ex-administrator > Beginning March 2nd, 2020 the Mailing Lists functionality on RootsWeb will be discontinued. Users will no longer be able to send outgoing emails or accept incoming emails. Additionally, administration tools will no longer be available to list administrators and mailing lists will be put into an archival state. > > Administrators may save the emails in their list prior to March 2nd. After that, mailing list archives will remain available and searchable on RootsWeb. > > As an alternative to RootsWeb Mailing Lists, Ancestry message boards are a great option to network with others in the genealogy community. Message boards are available for free with an Ancestry registered account. > > Thank you for being part of the RootsWeb family and contributing to this community

    01/08/2020 03:34:44
    1. [ENG-NORTH-YORKS] Yorkshire Surnames List - December update
    2. Lin Duke
    3. I updated the Yorkshire Surnames list today. The name added is given below TEASDALE If you would like to add your surnames to the list, please use the form at: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/YKSlist/submit.htm *******PLEASE READ THE INSTRUCTIONS CAREFULLY REGARDING SUBMISSION OF NAMES BEFORE HITTING THE SUBMIT BUTTON***** Lin Duke List administrator

    12/28/2019 07:30:10
    1. [ENG-NORTH-YORKS] [EXTERNAL] Yorkshire Surnames List - November update
    2. Lin Duke
    3. I updated the Yorkshire Surnames list today. The names added are given below ALLOTT, AYRTON CLAYTON EMSLEY HELLEWELL, HORD RENFRO SHANN WIGGINS If you would like to add your surnames to the list, please use the form at: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/YKSlist/submit.htm *******PLEASE READ THE INSTRUCTIONS CAREFULLY REGARDING SUBMISSION OF NAMES BEFORE HITTING THE SUBMIT BUTTON***** Lin Duke List administrator

    11/28/2019 02:52:03
    1. [ENG-NORTH-YORKS] Re: Re Alice Anderson's child etc
    2. Ailsa's Email
    3. Margaret, We have just started using Windows 10 and I am finding it difficult, being not all that computer confident. I apologise for not replying before now. Yes, I did receive your email, thank you. I have had such a great response from the list, but then this list has always been very helpful and people generous with their assistance and time. It does seem much quieter than it use to be, though. Thank you for your suggestions as to who to contact re information, I shall do that tomorrow. I would like to be able to confirm definitely when/whether Alice died, or did she run away and did Alfred marry Harriet or not. I don't like loose ends! Ailsa On 11/11/2019 4:06 am, M Greenhow via ENG-NORTH-YORKS wrote: > Ailsa, > > I would contact Wakefield Archives firstly. Also Huddersfield Family History Society & there is a Wakefield Family History Society too & many families crossed from Dewsbury to Wakefield as the boundaries are so close. > > That might explain a lot if both Alice & Alfred deserted their first families. > > I sent you a private email with some more findings & images attached. Did you get them? I was worried the email might be too large for your inbox with the attachments. > > Margaret > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/eng-north-yorks@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    11/10/2019 11:41:12
    1. [ENG-NORTH-YORKS] Re: Re Alice Anderson's child etc
    2. Dr M M Gilchrist
    3. Hi! Yes, this sort of scenario is far more common than many of us used to think, and is often covered up in families. My mother was very judgemental and disapproving – something she had got from her strait-laced and judgemental grandmother… who turned out not simply to have left husband and child, but actually to have committed bigamy, with a church wedding during her legal husband's lifetime! best, Marianne On 10 Nov 2019, at 15:06, M Greenhow via ENG-NORTH-YORKS wrote: > Ailsa, > > I would contact Wakefield Archives firstly. Also Huddersfield Family History Society & there is a Wakefield Family History Society too & many families crossed from Dewsbury to Wakefield as the boundaries are so close. > > That might explain a lot if both Alice & Alfred deserted their first families. > > I sent you a private email with some more findings & images attached. Did you get them? I was worried the email might be too large for your inbox with the attachments. > > Margaret > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/eng-north-yorks@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    11/10/2019 08:22:03
    1. [ENG-NORTH-YORKS] Re Alice Anderson's child etc
    2. M Greenhow
    3. Ailsa, I would contact Wakefield Archives firstly. Also Huddersfield Family History Society & there is a Wakefield Family History Society too & many families crossed from Dewsbury to Wakefield as the boundaries are so close. That might explain a lot if both Alice & Alfred deserted their first families. I sent you a private email with some more findings & images attached. Did you get them? I was worried the email might be too large for your inbox with the attachments. Margaret

    11/10/2019 08:06:47
    1. [ENG-NORTH-YORKS] Re: Re Alice Anderson's child (Ailsa Petrie)
    2. Ailsa's Email
    3. Hi Margaret, I don't know whether I have replied to your message. This Anderson family is a real puzzle and a sad one, too. On the surface, irt would appear that either Alice or Alfred walked away from their family - Alice for I don't know who or where and Alfred for Harriet Woodward and a second family. The Harold ANDERSON you spotted in an institution on the 1901 census id the same one. I have written to the Children's Society in London and it has been confirmed. Why he was there is another mystery.  I could purchase his complete file, but unfortunately it would be too expensive for me to justify. As you have some knowledge of Dewsbury and the area, perhaps you could tell me which repository it would be best for me to write to, to enquire about possible records. Dewsbury Library, West Yorkshire Archives, or the Huddersfield & District Family History Society? I have been told that there should be other indexes available as well as the GRO ones. Many thanks Ailsa On 7/11/2019 1:56 am, M Greenhow via ENG-NORTH-YORKS wrote: > Hi Ailsa, > was the child born in Dewsbury called Harold? Just Harold? Any middle names? > > Just having a few moments trawling around to see if anything stands out. Do you know if Alice came from Dewsbury area? Helps the more info we have. > > I have some knowledge of Dewsbury, not that it may necessarily help of course! But I’m originally from West Yorks & worked for many years in Dewsbury & have ancestors there myself. > > I spotted a Harold Anderson on the 1901 in an institution in South of England, born Dewsbury BUT I noticed too another possible Harold born 1893 in Dewsbury, so.....not sure. > > Margaret (Greenhow) > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/eng-north-yorks@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    11/09/2019 11:28:08
    1. [ENG-NORTH-YORKS] Re: Missing Records (cont'd)
    2. HI Ailsa, I found on the FreeREG site what is very likely the baptism of Harriet Woodward. Dewsbury Moor, St. John born 27th Feb. 1875, bapt. 4th July 1875, Harriet, father William mother Ellen surname Woodward, abode Crow Nest, father's occ. Butler. I found a birth on the GRO site 1875 March Qtr. Dewsbury reg. dist. volume 09B page 674 Harriet Woodward, mother's maiden name Oxley. This would fit with the above Baptism. I looked in the 1881 census for Harriet Woorward and found her and her parents, William and Ellen, as in the baptism above. Harriet has a few siblings. All of the children's births, going on ages in the 1881 census, can be found on the GRO website with the mother's maiden name given as Oxley. The ref. for the 1881 entry is RG11 piece 4561 folio 110 page 36 Dewsbury. The families address is shown as Heckmondwike Road Lodge Crows Nest, father is a Butler domestic. This exactly matches with the details in the above Baptism at Dewsbury. I tried all manner of ways to find a marriage for Alfred and Harriet anywhere in the England between 1880 - 1900 but nothing at all turned up. All I can think is that perhaps they ran off to Gretna Green and married there. I could not find a death for Alice Anderson, what was the name of the child born to her in 1892, maybe we can find Alice by finding the child first which may lead us to a time frame for Alice's death. To add a bit of North Yorkshire to this message, Harriet's father William Woodward was born in Northallerton NRY. I hope something here is useful for you. Regards Jenny DeAngelis I am looking for the death of Alice ANDERSON, born 1858, who gave birth to a child on 15th July 1892 in Dewsbury. I have checked and rechecked the GRO records and found nothing, ditto later census returns. I am also looking for a possible second marriage of Alfred ANDERSON(b 1861) to Harriett WOODWARD (born abt 1876), sometime between 1892 and 1896 (probably), when their first child was born. Probably married in Dewsbury, as this was where Harriet was born and lived. Her age is given as 16 in the 1891 census, so she would have been about 20 when she married. Ailsa Petrie Hamilton New Zealand

    11/07/2019 11:52:15
    1. [ENG-NORTH-YORKS] Re Alice Anderson's child (Ailsa Petrie)
    2. M Greenhow
    3. Hi Ailsa, was the child born in Dewsbury called Harold? Just Harold? Any middle names? Just having a few moments trawling around to see if anything stands out. Do you know if Alice came from Dewsbury area? Helps the more info we have. I have some knowledge of Dewsbury, not that it may necessarily help of course! But I’m originally from West Yorks & worked for many years in Dewsbury & have ancestors there myself. I spotted a Harold Anderson on the 1901 in an institution in South of England, born Dewsbury BUT I noticed too another possible Harold born 1893 in Dewsbury, so.....not sure. Margaret (Greenhow)

    11/06/2019 05:57:03
    1. [ENG-NORTH-YORKS] Re: Missing Records (cont'd)
    2. Arthur & Pauline Kennedy
    3. The 1911 census gives the length of Alfred and Harriett's marriage as 18 years, but that hasn't helped me find it. It also gives Harriett's age as 39, which is a little different to what other records suggest. The 1901 and 1911 census entries both include a (different) male Woodward as a visitor or boarder - presumably related to Harriett? Arthur On 05/11/2019 20:53, Ailsa's Email wrote: > Good morning, > > My thanks to Peter Appleton and Nivard Ovington for their replies and > suggestions, you are both always generous with your time and > knowledge. I have spent time this morning looking for local records > offices, Dewsbury churches and addresses, but as Nivard suggested, I > will publish the names and events I am looking for first. I'm aware > that Dewsbury is not in Nth Yorkshire, but can anyone help, please? > > I am looking for the death of Alice ANDERSON, born 1858, who gave > birth to a child on 15th July 1892 in Dewsbury. I have checked and > rechecked the GRO records and found nothing, ditto later census returns. > > I am also looking for a possible second marriage of Alfred ANDERSON(b > 1861) to Harriett WOODWARD (born abt 1876), sometime between 1892 and > 1896 (probably), when their first child was born. Probably married in > Dewsbury, as this was where Harriet was born and lived. Her age is > given as 16 in the 1891 census, so she would have been about 20 when > she married. > > Ailsa Petrie > Hamilton > New Zealand

    11/06/2019 04:28:56
    1. [ENG-NORTH-YORKS] Re: Missing Records (cont'd)
    2. Dr M M Gilchrist
    3. Dear Ailsa, There is, of course, the possibility of neither a death nor a marriage. I had this situation with maternal great-grandparents (Grandad's parents). Couldn't find wedding in the time period before first child was born. In fact, they married (in church) 12 years later, after having 7 children. Great-grandma was claiming to be a widow. She had married in the same church (in Scarborough) 24 years before. However, I then found that her first husband died 6 years *after* my great-grandfather, in another town. There was no divorce. She was a bigamist and got away with it. Separation and living with a new partner (if not going so far as actual bigamy) was not uncommon, since divorce was expensive, difficult and socially disapproved of. best, Marianne > Good morning, > > My thanks to Peter Appleton and Nivard Ovington for their replies and suggestions, you are both always generous with your time and knowledge. I have spent time this morning looking for local records offices, Dewsbury churches and addresses, but as Nivard suggested, I will publish the names and events I am looking for first. I'm aware that Dewsbury is not in Nth Yorkshire, but can anyone help, please? > > I am looking for the death of Alice ANDERSON, born 1858, who gave birth to a child on 15th July 1892 in Dewsbury. I have checked and rechecked the GRO records and found nothing, ditto later census returns. > > I am also looking for a possible second marriage of Alfred ANDERSON(b 1861) to Harriett WOODWARD (born abt 1876), sometime between 1892 and 1896 (probably), when their first child was born. Probably married in Dewsbury, as this was where Harriet was born and lived. Her age is given as 16 in the 1891 census, so she would have been about 20 when she married. > > Ailsa Petrie > Hamilton > New Zealand > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/eng-north-yorks@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    11/05/2019 04:19:54
    1. [ENG-NORTH-YORKS] Missing Records (cont'd)
    2. Ailsa's Email
    3. Good morning, My thanks to Peter Appleton and Nivard Ovington for their replies and suggestions, you are both always generous with your time and knowledge. I have spent time this morning looking for local records offices, Dewsbury churches and addresses, but as Nivard suggested, I will publish the names and events I am looking for first. I'm aware that Dewsbury is not in Nth Yorkshire, but can anyone help, please? I am looking for the death of Alice ANDERSON, born 1858, who gave birth to a child on 15th July 1892 in Dewsbury. I have checked and rechecked the GRO records and found nothing, ditto later census returns. I am also looking for a possible second marriage of Alfred ANDERSON(b 1861) to Harriett WOODWARD (born abt 1876), sometime between 1892 and 1896 (probably), when their first child was born. Probably married in Dewsbury, as this was where Harriet was born and lived. Her age is given as 16 in the 1891 census, so she would have been about 20 when she married. Ailsa Petrie Hamilton New Zealand

    11/05/2019 01:53:04
    1. [ENG-NORTH-YORKS] Re: Missing records?
    2. Nivard Ovington
    3. Hi Ailsa There are indeed missing records but at all levels and for a variety of reasons The main reason is humans were involved and humans make mistakes The local offices had to report all events they had recorded on a quarterly basis, and in the process some were missed, mixed up or mistranscribed etc Likewise mistakes were made at the GRO So if an event cannot be found its wise to check the local offices records (which may be a different office to the one it was registered at as many changes have occurred in the system over time) There are an increasing number of local offices who have produced or made available their own indexes, its worth checking on UKBMD https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/ In my early research I had wrongly assumed my g.g.grandparents hadn't married as it does not appear in the GRO indexes, but a lot later I checked with the local office (Guisborough in this case) and lo and behold there their marriage was I found quite a few missing events from the same office at the time There are of course other reasons your event cannot be located Why not post the details and let us check it for you ? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 05/11/2019 06:01, Ailsa's Email wrote: > Hello, > > Can some knowledgable person tell me if they have heard of any civil > registrations that have been lost between the office of registration and > the central depository, please? Maybe because of fire or flood or just > becoming lost. For several years I have looked for a death and marriage > 1890-1895 and come up with a blank. It's in the West Riding (Dewsbury) > not the North, but I thought that someone might know. > > Here's hoping. > > Ailsa > Hamilton > New Zealand

    11/05/2019 01:04:45
    1. [ENG-NORTH-YORKS] Missing records?
    2. Ailsa's Email
    3. Hello, Can some knowledgable person tell me if they have heard of any civil registrations that have been lost between the office of registration and the central depository, please? Maybe because of fire or flood or just becoming lost. For several years I have looked for a death and marriage 1890-1895 and come up with a blank. It's in the West Riding (Dewsbury) not the North, but I thought that someone might know. Here's hoping. Ailsa Hamilton New Zealand

    11/04/2019 11:01:03
    1. [ENG-NORTH-YORKS] Yorkshire Surnames List - October update
    2. Lin Duke
    3. I updated the Yorkshire Surnames list today. The names added are given below BARRON, BREARLEY GUNSTON ILLINGWORTH MITCHELL STRINGER WIGLESWORTH If you would like to add your surnames to the list, please use the form at: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/YKSlist/submit.htm *******PLEASE READ THE INSTRUCTIONS CAREFULLY REGARDING SUBMISSION OF NAMES BEFORE HITTING THE SUBMIT BUTTON***** Lin Duke List administrator

    10/28/2019 11:48:24