Alan, If I may make a suggestion, first of all go by the children ages and try and see if the missing ones (James, William, Robert, Esther) are recorded as being married in that time frame, (Between 1881 & 1901) Eg: On http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/cheshirebmd/marriages.html Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1891 to 1895 STOTT Charles MALOYD Annie M Birkenhead, Holy Trinity Wirral BK2/3/200 STOTT John SMITH Mary Hannah Birkenhead, St Mary Wirral BK8/14/484 then check out their Certificates for the Fathers name, if all goes well it should narrow the gap on Walter STOTT'S Death date, and give you the children's Marriage details as well. Ron Fitzpatrick Adelaide South Australia Ex Liverpool - Wirral. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 1:34 PM Subject: [ENG-MERSEY] Walter STOTT - Birkenhead