I've been subscribed to this list on a "watching for" basis for some time, just in case I have information that others might need that might one day turn up something for me. Perhaps this now is the purpose in responding to a reveille. KIRKPATRICK, SILLERS or SELLERS and JOHNSON are the names with connections in Caldy, W Birkenhead, and Liverpool.. I have to give credit to Gordon for being able to fill in some of my gaps in the past on the KIRKPATRICK name that has a connection also with JOHNSON and SILLERS or SELLERS. They were married in Liverpool and raised a family in Caldy Cheshire, though they maintained a connection with Liverpool whilst there was seafaring in the family. At some point they left Cheshire to live and eventually die in Liverpool. Maybe those with Cheshire interests here might pick up on this now; I've never really known if Cheshire names were somewhat off topic for a Merseyside list. I am at a disadvantage at the moment in not being able to receive mails into my mail client until late in the afternoon of Monday next, due to some error so I havent been able to see whether there has been a url posted for a map of the area of interest to this list as it seems has been suggested. Good idea!. I should clarify at this point also that not only do I have a brick wall but I have also something of a cement maize. I may not have made it clear before, it does seem a good opportunity to do so now, that in searching these folk I have absolutely no relationship with them - so far - in my own ancestry. I am doing so because they are connected to a line that I have extensive records for - also with some help from Gordon, as well as from other Researchers, though they do bear the same name as that of a Gt Gt Grandmother. So with that explanation out of the way the details of these folk are as follows: David KIRKPATRICK b 1783 m Mary SILLERS b 21.10.1796 St Peter's Church Liverpool. Together they raised several children - I have details of them - apparently in Caldy, Cheshire [W. Birkenhead] Never did understand about the West Birkenhead district but no doubt someone will explain now. David KIRKPATRICK died at 130 Park Lane, Liverpool having been a Master Mariner and later, a Surgeon. Mary [SILLERS] KIRKPATRICK died 1864 also in Liverpool, apparently a Teacher Maybe the SILLERS or SELLERS name is one of Cheshire, but also perhaps JOHNSON. Mary Sillers was the daughter of John SILLERS/SELLERS and Mary JOHNSON who married in 1788 I dont know where either of these folk were born but I suspect it could be in a place that is definitely off topic for this list. Janet ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Unlimited Broadband with FREE weekend calls only 12.99! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/