Hi John I think Marged just started replying to the wrong e-mail and clicked 'send' instead of delete - hence her second message. Good idea to repost interests and questions, we get new people joining lists all the time so ever hopeful of a breakthrough!! And talking of reposting - I wondered if anyone on the list has 'claimed' the Sarah BALDWIN who married Henry IRVING at Wavertree, St Michael in 1872. And if so, do they know where she was born. She's the only possible find so far for my great-great-grandmother Sarah IRVING born in Enville, Staffordshire, who was a widow by the 1891 and 1901 census living with her daughter and family (George and Mary GUY and children) but I can't find her in 1881. And to complicate matters, I thought my grandmother was born Sarah GUY the daughter of George and Mary GUY. But I then found she was born before their marriage as Sarah IRVING on 21 January 1887 and no father on the birth certificate. Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: "john farrall" <jfarrall@cox.net> To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEY] Searching for Information on Orphans and Adoptions c. 1850 > Marged, > I am not sure what point you were trying to make. Yes, I posted a > similar message last year and got a few leads, but nothing of real > substance. I know that adoption was not a legal process until 1927. I > was looking for some fresh ideas and suggestions - which is exactly what I > received this time. My focus this time was the GREEN family raising an > orphan and keeping the name apparently given her by the church. There are > new listers joining this and other similar sites everyday. Many people > repost their surname lists, as I have done and will continue to do. I see > nothing wrong in taking a fresh look at an old problem. > > Regards, > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marged" <marged36@btopenworld.com> > To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 4:16 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEY] Searching for Information on Orphans and > Adoptions c. 1850 > > >> Sorry about that - sent to wrong address! >> >> Marged (early in the morning - well, earlyish1) >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Marged >> To: ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 9:05 AM >> Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEY] Searching for Information on Orphans and >> Adoptions c. 1850 >> >> >> Another >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: john farrall >> To: ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 12:34 AM >> Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEY] Searching for Information on Orphans and >> Adoptions c. 1850 >> >> >> Janet, >> Thank you for your kind response. Here in the US, I have tried to >> understand the process. Needless to say, she was semi-adopted - but >> not >> officially - the the GREEN family. Would they be required to pay >> fees? >> >> John >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Janet" <wightway@tiscali.co.uk> >> To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 7:21 PM >> Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEY] Searching for Information on Orphans and >> Adoptions >> c. 1850 >> >> >> > Formal adoption did not take place in England and Wales until >> 1927/1930. >> > I am quite sure however that there was a system of "fostering" as we >> know >> > it today. I wonder about a foundling being christened. Who might >> have >> > arranged it of an orphan. >> > I realise that these thoughts of mine don't help much, but maybe >> others >> > will come forward to add to what I have said. >> > >> > >> > Janet >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "john farrall" <jfarrall@cox.net> >> > >> >> Listers, >> >> I would appreciate some guidance here. For background, my great >> >> grandmother was an orphan left on the church steps of St. >> Catherine's >> >> Church >> >> in Bebington on 20 June 1850. She was Christened on 21 June 1850 >> as Mary >> >> BEBINGTON (named after the town). She is listed in the 1851 census >> for >> >> BEBINGTON as a nurse child in the family of Thomas and Hannah >> GREEN. In >> >> the >> >> 1861 census, she is listed as Mary BEBINGTON in the GREEN family. >> In >> >> 1871, >> >> she is working for another family and is listed as Mary BEBINGTON. >> She >> >> married my great grandfather - John FARRALL - in 1873, and the >> marriage >> >> certificate has a blank space for the father. Her name is listed >> as Mary >> >> BEBINGTON. The death certificates for two of her sons - John and >> Samuel- >> >> (California) listed the mother's maiden name as GREEN. No official >> >> document >> >> show that she legally used the name GREEN. My question concerns >> the >> >> adoption/non-adoption procedures in Cheshire/UK in the later half >> of the >> >> century. Were families expected to pay extra monies to the county? >> >> Mary did receive a congratulatory letter and cablegram from King >> >> George >> >> VI on her 100 birthday in 1850. Palace regulations state that >> proof >> >> must >> >> be provided. The only proof provided was the christening record of >> 20 >> >> June >> >> 1850. She had no birth certificate. What were the adoption >> procedures >> >> like >> >> in the 1850 timeframe? Why would the GREEN family not give her the >> GREEN >> >> name? Puzzled. >> > >> > >> > ==== ENG-MERSEYSIDE Mailing List ==== >> > You can search or browse the archives of this list and also change >> > membership - move from digest to normal mail mode, or vice versa and >> sub >> > and unsub at this link >> > >> > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-MERSEYSIDE.html >> > >> > ============================== >> > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >> > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. 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Thanks a million Sandra, for your understanding - that's exactly what happened! I have written to John off list and hope he will accept my explanation and apology. Marged Hi John I think Marged just started replying to the wrong e-mail and clicked 'send' instead of delete - hence her second message.