Hi again Yvonne >my elusive William SWIFT, born ca 1829 Liverpool, son of Joseph >SWIFT, Butcher; can't find him in either 1841 or 1851 census..... Have you considered this one from the 1851? :- HO 107/2174 folio 196 page 2 Bidston Village Thomas LEDSHAM, 66, farmer of 105 acres, CHS Moreton Jane, wife, 68, CHS Bidston Mary JONES, grandaur, 11, LAN Liverpool William SWIFT, servant, U, 22, farm lab, CHS Moreton Henry DODD, servant, 19, farm lab, CHS Moreton Joseph DODD, servant, 17, farm lab, DEN Parkside Ann MADDOCK, servant, U,27, house servant, CHS Childer Thornton Mary Anne BILLINGE, servant, U, 26, dairy maid, CHS Bidston The grandaughter Mary JONES was in fact born in Moreton, so I suspect there's every chance the enumerator might have got her birthplace and William SWIFT's the wrong way round? Interestingly, Thomas LEDSHAM's mother was Charlotte DOD (b1760/61 Bidston). Best regards Gordon From: "Gordon Evans" <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 5:08 PM Subject: William SWIFT (born c1829 Liverpool) >Yvonne wrote (on 18 November) :- >my elusive William SWIFT, born ca 1829 Liverpool, son of Joseph >SWIFT, Butcher; can't find him in either 1841 or 1851 census..... >Hi Yvonne >The IGI of course has these baptisms in Liverpool St Peter, all children >of >Joseph & Anne SWIFT :- >9 April 1820 Mary >28 April 1822 Jane >20 Sept 1824 Thomas >18 Oct 1826 William >In the 1841 Census :- >HO 107/127/9 folio 4 page 13 >Frankby, Cheshire >William Bloor DAVIES, 25, farmer, Y >George MASON, 20, ag lab, Y >William MINSHULL, 15, ag lab, Y >William SWIFT, 15, ag lab, Y >Mary WILLIAMS, 20, Y >Abegail PARRY, 15, N >Thomas BLOOR, 40, Ind, Y >Elizabeth ROBERTS, 30, N >Emma ROBERTS, 1, N >Ann TWIST, 15, >Frankby is less than 5 miles from Little Meols, which is where William >SWIFT's future wife Alice HUGHES (b1828 Liverpool) was living in the >1841& >1851 Censuses ? >Regards >Gordon

Hi Gordon good to see you are still doing it for everyone we will have to call you Supersleuth Cheers George Gordon Evans <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> wrote: Hi again Yvonne >my elusive William SWIFT, born ca 1829 Liverpool, son of Joseph >SWIFT, Butcher; can't find him in either 1841 or 1851 census..... Have you considered this one from the 1851? :- HO 107/2174 folio 196 page 2 Bidston Village Thomas LEDSHAM, 66, farmer of 105 acres, CHS Moreton Jane, wife, 68, CHS Bidston Mary JONES, grandaur, 11, LAN Liverpool William SWIFT, servant, U, 22, farm lab, CHS Moreton Henry DODD, servant, 19, farm lab, CHS Moreton Joseph DODD, servant, 17, farm lab, DEN Parkside Ann MADDOCK, servant, U,27, house servant, CHS Childer Thornton Mary Anne BILLINGE, servant, U, 26, dairy maid, CHS Bidston The grandaughter Mary JONES was in fact born in Moreton, so I suspect there's every chance the enumerator might have got her birthplace and William SWIFT's the wrong way round? Interestingly, Thomas LEDSHAM's mother was Charlotte DOD (b1760/61 Bidston). Best regards Gordon From: "Gordon Evans" To: Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 5:08 PM Subject: William SWIFT (born c1829 Liverpool) >Yvonne wrote (on 18 November) :- >my elusive William SWIFT, born ca 1829 Liverpool, son of Joseph >SWIFT, Butcher; can't find him in either 1841 or 1851 census..... >Hi Yvonne >The IGI of course has these baptisms in Liverpool St Peter, all children >of >Joseph & Anne SWIFT :- >9 April 1820 Mary >28 April 1822 Jane >20 Sept 1824 Thomas >18 Oct 1826 William >In the 1841 Census :- >HO 107/127/9 folio 4 page 13 >Frankby, Cheshire >William Bloor DAVIES, 25, farmer, Y >George MASON, 20, ag lab, Y >William MINSHULL, 15, ag lab, Y >William SWIFT, 15, ag lab, Y >Mary WILLIAMS, 20, Y >Abegail PARRY, 15, N >Thomas BLOOR, 40, Ind, Y >Elizabeth ROBERTS, 30, N >Emma ROBERTS, 1, N >Ann TWIST, 15, >Frankby is less than 5 miles from Little Meols, which is where William >SWIFT's future wife Alice HUGHES (b1828 Liverpool) was living in the >1841& >1851 Censuses ? >Regards >Gordon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Cheers George

Hi Von/Gordon/list Just catching up on old emails! Better late than never! Here's a puzzle? William SWIFT b1829 L'pool married Alice HUGHES b 1829 L'pool On 1851 census Alice and Jane b1850 her illegitimate daughter are visitors to Joseph POWELL and wife Jane (b1810 Liverpool) living in Little Meols. Joseph and Jane's first child is b1842 and there is a marriage in Lpool Mar qtr for Joseph POWELL and Jane HUGHES! So what relation is Jane to Alice? Do you think she could be an illegitimate daughter of Jane or a sister? Also my Thomas SHERLOCK (Thos and Mary PRENTON's son) married to Ellen show on 1861 census an adopted son Edward POWELL b1856 Are these just coincidences do you think are do you know of any links between all the families? Happy New Year Pam -----Original Message----- From: eng-merseyside-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-merseyside-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Evans Sent: 08 December 2006 22:36 To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] William SWIFT (born c1829 Liverpool) Hi again Yvonne >my elusive William SWIFT, born ca 1829 Liverpool, son of Joseph >SWIFT, Butcher; can't find him in either 1841 or 1851 census..... Have you considered this one from the 1851? :- HO 107/2174 folio 196 page 2 Bidston Village Thomas LEDSHAM, 66, farmer of 105 acres, CHS Moreton Jane, wife, 68, CHS Bidston Mary JONES, grandaur, 11, LAN Liverpool William SWIFT, servant, U, 22, farm lab, CHS Moreton Henry DODD, servant, 19, farm lab, CHS Moreton Joseph DODD, servant, 17, farm lab, DEN Parkside Ann MADDOCK, servant, U,27, house servant, CHS Childer Thornton Mary Anne BILLINGE, servant, U, 26, dairy maid, CHS Bidston The grandaughter Mary JONES was in fact born in Moreton, so I suspect there's every chance the enumerator might have got her birthplace and William SWIFT's the wrong way round? Interestingly, Thomas LEDSHAM's mother was Charlotte DOD (b1760/61 Bidston). Best regards Gordon From: "Gordon Evans" <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 5:08 PM Subject: William SWIFT (born c1829 Liverpool) >Yvonne wrote (on 18 November) :- >my elusive William SWIFT, born ca 1829 Liverpool, son of Joseph >SWIFT, Butcher; can't find him in either 1841 or 1851 census..... >Hi Yvonne >The IGI of course has these baptisms in Liverpool St Peter, all children >of >Joseph & Anne SWIFT :- >9 April 1820 Mary >28 April 1822 Jane >20 Sept 1824 Thomas >18 Oct 1826 William >In the 1841 Census :- >HO 107/127/9 folio 4 page 13 >Frankby, Cheshire >William Bloor DAVIES, 25, farmer, Y >George MASON, 20, ag lab, Y >William MINSHULL, 15, ag lab, Y >William SWIFT, 15, ag lab, Y >Mary WILLIAMS, 20, Y >Abegail PARRY, 15, N >Thomas BLOOR, 40, Ind, Y >Elizabeth ROBERTS, 30, N >Emma ROBERTS, 1, N >Ann TWIST, 15, >Frankby is less than 5 miles from Little Meols, which is where William >SWIFT's future wife Alice HUGHES (b1828 Liverpool) was living in the >1841& >1851 Censuses ? >Regards >Gordon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pam, My 3 x great grandparents: William Hughes married Jane McIver, (born c.1810, Liverpool, daughter of James McIver, Mariner), at St. Nicholas, Liverpool on 24/12/1827. The certificate states he was an Ironfounder, married by Banns, and the witnesses were Samuel Jones and Martha Hall. Jane was obviously pregnant by dates of marriage and the birth of Alice. I think Alice was actually born in Liverpool, but baptised in St. Bridget's, West Kirby. In every census return, she gives her birthplace as Liverpool, and yet every record I have for her is based in West Kirby and Hoylake. She and her siblings, all baptised at St. Bridget's, West Kirby were: Alice, 20/4/1828, dau. of Will/Jane Hughes, Iron Moulder (Liverpool) Mary A., bap. 17/5/1829, dau. of Will/Jane Hughes, Fishmn, Hoose William bap. 30/6/1833, son of Will/Jane Hughes, Lab. Hoose Richard, born 7/2/1835, bap. 1/3/1835, son of Will/Jane Hughes, Ironfounder, Manchester William bap. 6/5/1838, son of Will/Jane Hughes, Ironmoulder, Hoose Mary A., William, and Richard all seem to have died young, but I haven't found their burials yet. The last born, William, died in 1839 aged 1, along with his father William, also 1839 aged 31. William, aged 1, appears to have been buried in West Kirby on 9 June 1839, and I think his father was buried on 19 May 1839 in St. Bridget's, although his age is given on Cprd as 17 instead of 31! Both deaths show in Cheshire BMD. Certificates received: 17/5/1839, Hoose, William Hughes, Male, 31 years, Moulder at the Cast Iron Work, Cause of Death: Debility, (informant), The X mark of Richard Hughes, brother, present at death, Hoose, registered on 1/6/1839, Registrar Samuel Ollive. 5/6/1839, Hoose, William Hughes, Male, 14 mos, Cause of Death: Debility, (informant) the X mark of Jane Hughes, mother, present at the death, Hoose, registered on 22/6/1839, Registrar Samuel Ollive. In the 1841 Census, the only child showing is Alice. After the death of her husband, William Hughes, Jane Hughes (nee McIver) remarried on 22 February 1841 to Joseph Powell at St. Nicholas, Liverpool. They had children: Thomas Powell, baptised 18 July 1841 at St. Bridget's, West Kirby Isabella Powell, baptised 2 June 1844 at Holy Trinity, Hoylake Jane Powell, baptised 4 July 1847 at St. Bridget's, West Kirby Mary Anne Powell, baptised 2 September 1849 at Holy Trinity, Hoylake so Jane Powell (formerly Hughes, nee McIver) was mother to Alice Hughes. There may be more Powell children yet to find. It's very interesting to see Edward Powell, born 1856, as an adopted son to Thomas and Ellen Sherlock. Surely there must be a connection somewhere. All best wishes for 2007, Von [mailto:eng-merseyside-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Pam Craven Sent: 28 December 2006 15:06 To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] William SWIFT (born c1829 Liverpool)/POWELL Hi Von/Gordon/list Just catching up on old emails! Better late than never! Here's a puzzle? William SWIFT b1829 L'pool married Alice HUGHES b 1829 L'pool On 1851 census Alice and Jane b1850 her illegitimate daughter are visitors to Joseph POWELL and wife Jane (b1810 Liverpool) living in Little Meols. Joseph and Jane's first child is b1842 and there is a marriage in Lpool Mar qtr for Joseph POWELL and Jane HUGHES! So what relation is Jane to Alice? Do you think she could be an illegitimate daughter of Jane or a sister? Also my Thomas SHERLOCK (Thos and Mary PRENTON's son) married to Ellen show on 1861 census an adopted son Edward POWELL b1856 Are these just coincidences do you think are do you know of any links between all the families? Happy New Year Pam