Hi Gordon, Your messages on William Swift were a truly lovely surprise for me to see this morning. I've been stuck with William's census 1841/51 whereabouts for several years now, so that's a great boost. Can you tell me where Pitt Street, Liverpool, is in relation to St. Michael's and St. Peter's, Liverpool? I had been sent a baptism for a William Swift on 25 February 1829 at St. Michael's, Liverpool, son of Joseph, Butcher, which doesn't show on the IGI, but I have a hard copy in my files, and I'm wondering if the William Swift baptised in 1826 had maybe died, and the 1829 baptism in St. Michael's might be a subsequent child? I also want to try and find where a couple of the children of William Swift and Alice (nee Hughes) were baptised. They married on 8 April 1856 at St. Peter's. I have the baptism of Thomas Hughes on 6 February 1861 at St. Peter's, from the IGI, but need to find where Joseph (c. 1858) and William (c.1859) were baptised. They had moved to Hoylake by 1861. William Swift, senior was buried in Holy Trinity, Hoylake on 6 March 1862 aged 33; son Joseph on 1 March 1863 aged 5; son Thomas 7 January 1865 aged 5. There is also a burial for an Elizabeth Swift buried at Holy Trinity, Hoylake on 22 May 1864 aged 11 months. There is a matching birth registration for an Elizabeth Swift on Cheshire BMD, but of the Swift family of Neston, baptised Neston 26 June 1863, daughter of Pemberton and Martha Swift, butcher of Parkgate. I'm curious as to why she is buried at Holy Trinity, Hoylake? Again, many thanks indeed, Gordon. Your help is very much appreciated. Kind regards, Yvonne >> [mailto:eng-merseyside-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Gordon Evans Sent: 08 December 2006 22:36 To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] William SWIFT (born c1829 Liverpool) Hi again Yvonne >my elusive William SWIFT, born ca 1829 Liverpool, son of Joseph >SWIFT, Butcher; can't find him in either 1841 or 1851 census..... Have you considered this one from the 1851? :- HO 107/2174 folio 196 page 2 Bidston Village Thomas LEDSHAM, 66, farmer of 105 acres, CHS Moreton Jane, wife, 68, CHS Bidston Mary JONES, grandaur, 11, LAN Liverpool William SWIFT, servant, U, 22, farm lab, CHS Moreton Henry DODD, servant, 19, farm lab, CHS Moreton Joseph DODD, servant, 17, farm lab, DEN Parkside Ann MADDOCK, servant, U,27, house servant, CHS Childer Thornton Mary Anne BILLINGE, servant, U, 26, dairy maid, CHS Bidston The grandaughter Mary JONES was in fact born in Moreton, so I suspect there's every chance the enumerator might have got her birthplace and William SWIFT's the wrong way round? Interestingly, Thomas LEDSHAM's mother was Charlotte DOD (b1760/61 Bidston). Best regards Gordon > From: "Gordon Evans" <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 5:08 PM Subject: William SWIFT (born c1829 Liverpool) >Hi Yvonne >The IGI of course has these baptisms in Liverpool St Peter, all children >of >Joseph & Anne SWIFT :- >9 April 1820 Mary >28 April 1822 Jane >20 Sept 1824 Thomas >18 Oct 1826 William >In the 1841 Census :- >HO 107/127/9 folio 4 page 13 >Frankby, Cheshire >William Bloor DAVIES, 25, farmer, Y >George MASON, 20, ag lab, Y >William MINSHULL, 15, ag lab, Y >William SWIFT, 15, ag lab, Y >Mary WILLIAMS, 20, Y >Abegail PARRY, 15, N >Thomas BLOOR, 40, Ind, Y >Elizabeth ROBERTS, 30, N >Emma ROBERTS, 1, N >Ann TWIST, 15, >Frankby is less than 5 miles from Little Meols, which is where William >SWIFT's future wife Alice HUGHES (b1828 Liverpool) was living in the >1841& >1851 Censuses ? >Regards >Gordon <<

Thank you Yvonne and Gordon you have given me more interesting information to add to my tree Mary

Hi Yvonne You wrote :- >Can you tell me where Pitt Street, Liverpool, is in relation to St. >Michael's and St. Peter's, Liverpool? St Michael's C of E church (founded 1816, closed 1946) was in Upper Pitt Street, which is less than a mile from St Peter's, Church Street. >There is also a burial for an Elizabeth Swift buried at Holy Trinity, >Hoylake on 22 May 1864 aged 11 months. There is a matching birth >registration for an Elizabeth Swift on Cheshire BMD, but of the Swift >family >of Neston, baptised Neston 26 June 1863, daughter of Pemberton and >Martha >Swift, butcher of Parkgate. I'm curious as to why she is buried at Holy >Trinity, Hoylake? The Elizabeth SWIFT buried in Hoylake Holy Trinity in 1864 isn't a daughter of the Parkgate butcher, since in the 1871 Census :- RG10/3739 folio 106 page 13 (indexed by Ancestry as SINIFT) Parkgate, Cheshire Pemberton SWIFT, 63, butcher, CHS Parkgate Martha, wife, 51, CHS Parkgate Henry, son, U, 24, butcher, CHS Parkgate Ann, daur, U, 19, CHS Parkgate Pemberton, son, 18, butcher, CHS Parkgate Mary, daur, 17, CHS Parkgate Thomas, son, 14, CHS Parkgate Charles, son, 12, CHS Parkgate Elizabeth, daur, 7, CHS Parkgate Regards Gordon From: "Yvonne Purdy" <von@yvonnepurdy.free-online.co.uk> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] William SWIFT (born c1829 Liverpool) >Hi Gordon, >Your messages on William Swift were a truly lovely surprise for me to see >this morning. I've been stuck with William's census 1841/51 whereabouts > >for >several years now, so that's a great boost. >Can you tell me where Pitt Street, Liverpool, is in relation to St. >Michael's and St. Peter's, Liverpool? >I had been sent a baptism for a William Swift on 25 February 1829 at St. >Michael's, Liverpool, son of Joseph, Butcher, which doesn't show on the > >IGI, >but I have a hard copy in my files, and I'm wondering if the William Swift >baptised in 1826 had maybe died, and the 1829 baptism in St. Michael's > >might >be a subsequent child? >I also want to try and find where a couple of the children of William Swift >and Alice (nee Hughes) were baptised. They married on 8 April 1856 at >St. >Peter's. I have the baptism of Thomas Hughes on 6 February 1861 at St. >Peter's, from the IGI, but need to find where Joseph (c. 1858) and William >(c.1859) were baptised. >They had moved to Hoylake by 1861. William Swift, senior was buried in > >Holy >Trinity, Hoylake on 6 March 1862 aged 33; son Joseph on 1 March 1863 >aged >5; >son Thomas 7 January 1865 aged 5. >There is also a burial for an Elizabeth Swift buried at Holy Trinity, >Hoylake on 22 May 1864 aged 11 months. There is a matching birth >registration for an Elizabeth Swift on Cheshire BMD, but of the Swift >family >of Neston, baptised Neston 26 June 1863, daughter of Pemberton and >Martha >Swift, butcher of Parkgate. I'm curious as to why she is buried at Holy >Trinity, Hoylake? >Again, many thanks indeed, Gordon. Your help is very much appreciated. >Kind regards, >Yvonne