To all listers - at all points of the worldwide compass. Instructions on how to achieve egg on face:- 1 .Open mouth 2. Insert foot In other words, my apologies to any one that I may have inadvertently slighted by my remarks about "up North." In no way did I wish to offend - it was a remark made as a result of comments to me in the past about the friendliness of people the further North one goes.. Jan Coleman (a very friendly Black Country wench)