Gday Gordon, Thanks for your email,some of the information is new to me,i have been looking in Lancashire for Daniels birth,i saw him in the poll book,and know of his marriage to Sarah Fallows of Cockermouth.But nothing about Mary Cellin, Do your Sherlock side have any connection to Barklem? Thanks again and have a Merry Christmas and may your tree have lots of fruit in the New Year. Bert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Evans" <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Daniel Thomas Hardman > Hi Bert > > I believe you're already aware that I have your ancestor Daniel Thomas > HARDMAN in my extended family tree by virtue of the marriage of Charlotte > FIDLER (b1902 Liverpool) to Henry SHERLOCK (b1902 Hoose) on 20 November > 1921 > in Birkenhead St Peter? > Charlotte being niece to the Jane FIDLER who married Herbert SEABROOKE in > 1903 in Kikdale St Athanasius? > > For what it's worth, I have Daniel Thomas HARDMAN as marrying firstly a > Mary > CRELLIN on 11 June 1825 in Liverpool St John Old Haymarket, with children > baptised in Liverpool St Nicholas :- > > 15 Feb 1829 John Crinell > 28 Aug 1831 Elizabeth > 19 Aug 1832 Mary Catherine > > In each of the baptism entries Daniel Thomas' occupation is given as > mariner, address Highfield Street. > A person of this name, occupation & address is listed in the 1832 > Liverpool > Poll Book :- > > http://www.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/1832Pollbook/pollh.htm. > > The Lancashire OPC site has this marriage :- > > 14 April 1849 > St Martin in the Fields, Liverpool > Daniel Thomas HARDMAN, full age, mariner, widower, residence Portland > Street, and > Sarah FALLOWS, full age, spinster, residence Portland Street. > Groom's father given as Daniel HARDMAN, boot-maker. > Bride's father given as John FALLOWS, church clerk. > Witnesses were James JOHNSON and Mary WILSON > > Children of this marriage appear to have been an Isabella HARDMAN born > 1850 > in Liverpool and the Catherine HARDMAN born 1851 in Liverpool who married > Robert H SEABROOKE on 7 July 1873 in Liverpool St Peter. > > Unfortunatley, Daniel Thomas HARDMAN doesn't seem to have featured in any > Census, his 2nd wife Sarah nee FALLOWS being a widow in the 1861. :-( > > The IGI does however have a baptism :- > > 28 December 1802 > Holborne St Andrew, London > Daniel Thomas HARDMAN > Parents Daniel and Catherine > > And Ancestry a marriage which they have transcribed as :- > > 25 January 1802 > Soho St Anne, London > Daniel HARDMAN and Catherine HEWUISH > > My own view is that the bride's surname should in fact read KERRUISH, this > being an old Manx name - which might explain the family's subsequent > migration from London up to Liverpool? > > Seasonal greetings > Gordon > > From: "Herbert Seabrooke" <lapool@alphalink.com.au> > To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 11:12 PM > Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Daniel Thomas Hardman > >>Gday list >>Writing to enquire if anybody is working on the above interst in >>liverpool. >>Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year to you all. >>Bert in Oz > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi Bert No knowledge of any SHERLOCK connection with BARKLEM, I'm afraid. Incidentally, did you know that CRELLIN (like KERRUISH) is also of Manx (ie Isle of Man) origin - as too is CANNELL, which was possibly the intended middle name of the John HARDMAN baptised on 15 February 1829 in Liverpool St Nicholas? The IGI has the marriage of a James CRELLIN and Jane CANNELL on 14 June 1792 in IOM Kirk Michael, followed by the baptism of a Mary, daughter of James CRELLIN and Jane CANNELL, on 30 April 1809 in the same church. For this to be Daniel Thomas HARDMAN's bride in 1825, however, she'd have had to have added quite a few years to her true age, since Mary HARDMAN is stated to have been 31 when she died in 1833. She could have been a late baptism, of course. :-) Best wishes Gordon From: "Herbert Seabrooke" <lapool@alphalink.com.au> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 12:22 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Daniel Thomas Hardman >Gday Gordon, >Thanks for your email,some of the information is new to me,i have been >looking in Lancashire for Daniels birth,i saw him in the poll book,and know >of his marriage to Sarah Fallows of Cockermouth.But nothing about Mary >Cellin, >Do your Sherlock side have any connection to Barklem? >Thanks again and have a Merry Christmas and may your tree have lots of >fruit >in the New Year. >Bert >From: "Gordon Evans" <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> >To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 10:15 PM >Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Daniel Thomas Hardman > >Hi Bert >I believe you're already aware that I have your ancestor Daniel Thomas >HARDMAN in my extended family tree by virtue of the marriage of Charlotte >FIDLER (b1902 Liverpool) to Henry SHERLOCK (b1902 Hoose) on 20 November >1921 >in Birkenhead St Peter? >Charlotte being niece to the Jane FIDLER who married Herbert SEABROOKE in >1903 in Kikdale St Athanasius? >> >For what it's worth, I have Daniel Thomas HARDMAN as marrying firstly a >Mary >CRELLIN on 11 June 1825 in Liverpool St John Old Haymarket, with children >baptised in Liverpool St Nicholas :- >15 Feb 1829 John Crinell >28 Aug 1831 Elizabeth >19 Aug 1832 Mary Catherine >In each of the baptism entries Daniel Thomas' occupation is given as >mariner, address Highfield Street. >A person of this name, occupation & address is listed in the 1832 >Liverpool >Poll Book :- >http://www.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/1832Pollbook/pollh.htm. >The Lancashire OPC site has this marriage :- >14 April 1849 >St Martin in the Fields, Liverpool >Daniel Thomas HARDMAN, full age, mariner, widower, residence Portland >Street, and >Sarah FALLOWS, full age, spinster, residence Portland Street. >Groom's father given as Daniel HARDMAN, boot-maker. >Bride's father given as John FALLOWS, church clerk. >Witnesses were James JOHNSON and Mary WILSON >Children of this marriage appear to have been an Isabella HARDMAN born >1850 >in Liverpool and the Catherine HARDMAN born 1851 in Liverpool who married >Robert H SEABROOKE on 7 July 1873 in Liverpool St Peter. >Unfortunatley, Daniel Thomas HARDMAN doesn't seem to have featured in any >Census, his 2nd wife Sarah nee FALLOWS being a widow in the 1861. :-( >The IGI does however have a baptism :- >28 December 1802 >Holborne St Andrew, London >Daniel Thomas HARDMAN >Parents Daniel and Catherine >And Ancestry a marriage which they have transcribed as :- >25 January 1802 >Soho St Anne, London >Daniel HARDMAN and Catherine HEWUISH >My own view is that the bride's surname should in fact read KERRUISH, this >being an old Manx name - which might explain the family's subsequent >migration from London up to Liverpool? >Seasonal greetings >Gordon

Hello May I join in with your discussion? I wonder if you have researched possible connections with SHERLOCK  and HARDMAN further north in Salford. I have two families in Pendleton BRADBURN and LORD who are connected with the SHERLOCKS and HARDMANS of Pendleton and Salford.. Dorothy