Hi Gordon, Have printed that one out for further study later! Marian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Evans" <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 10:55 PM Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] BRASSEY/DAVIES/DAVIS > Hi > > Having wrestled with these names for longer than I care to remember, > wondered whether there's anyone on the list who enjoys a challenge and can > perhaps suggest what the connection might be between DAVIES and BRASSEY in > the following scenario? > > According to the Bidston St Oswald parish registers twin illegitimate sons > of Mary DAVIES of Bidston - (i) John and (ii) Joseph - were baptised there > on 12 January 1806. > > (i) John DAVIS of Wallasey married Martha PUGH of Bidston on 7 April 1828 > in > Bidston St Oswald (one of the witnesses being a J DAVIES), with subsequent > children baptised in Bidston St Oswald :- > > 1830 Joseph (baptised Joseph DAVIS) > 1834 Mary (baptised Mary BRASSEY) > 1836 John (baptised John BRASSEY) > 1839 Elizabeth (baptised Elizabeth DAVIS BRASSR) > 1842 William (baptised William DAVIES or BRASSEY) > > 1841 Census > Moreton, Cheshire > John BRASSEY, 35, ag labourer, Y (born in Cheshire) > Martha, 30, Y > Joseph , 10, Y > Mary, 7, Y > John, 5, Y > Elizabeth, 2, Y > > 1851 Census > Saughall, Cheshire > John DAVIES, 45, farm labourer, CHS Bidston > Martha, wife, 44, CHS West Kirby > John, son, 14, CHS Bidston > Elizabeth, daur, 12, CHS Bidston > William, son, 10, CHS Bidston > > 1861 Census > Saughall Massie, Cheshire > John DAVIES, 54, labourer on roads, CHS Bidston > Martha, wife, 55, CHS Great Meols > Elizabeth PUGH, wife's mother, W, 88, ag lab's widow, CHS Stoke > John DAVIES, grandson, 7, CHS Saughall Massie > Mary THORNTON, servant, 15, FLN Flint > > 1871 Census > Saughall Massie > Martha BRASSEY, W, 65, nurse, CHS Meolse > Elizabeth, grandaughter, 9, CHS Saughall > Albert J POVEY, nurse child, 2, CHS Birkenhead > > John (b1806) was buried as John Brassey DAVIES in 1869. His wife Martha > nee > PUGH was described as Martha BRASSEY when she died in 1879. > Their son Joseph (b1830) was buried as Joseph DAVIES in 1860. > Their daughter Mary (b1834) was Mary Davis BRASSEY when her illegitimate > son > John BRASSEY was baptised in 1855; Mary BRASSEY when illegitimate daughter > Elizabeth BRASSEY was baptised in 1862, and Mary BRASSEY when she married > Harold GODWIN on 14 September 1863 in Liverpool St Nicholas. > Their daughter Elizabeth, baptised as Elizabeth DAVIS BROSSR in 1839, was > buried as Elizabeth Davis BRASSEY in 1854. > Their son William, baptised as William DAVIES or BRASSEY in 1842, was > William BRASSEY when he married Elizabeth SHERLOCK on 23 July 1871 in > Liverpool St Peter. > > (ii) Joseph Davies BRASSEY married Margaret DODD on 14 February 1831 in > Liverpool St Nicholas and had children baptised in Bidston St Oswald :- > > 1832 Mary (baptised as Mary DAVIS, married as Mary DAVIES in 1853) > 1834 Edward (baptised as Edward BRASSEY, married as below) > 1836 Alice (baptised as Alice DAVIS, married as Alice BRASSEY in 1864) > 1838 Joseph (baptised as Joseph BRASSEY, buried as Joseph BRASSEY in > 1839) > 1840 Joseph (baptised as Joseph BRASSEY, married as Joseph BRASSEY in > 1863) > 1842 George (baptised as George BRASSEY, m as George BRASSEY in 1864) > 1844 Margaret (baptised as Margaret BRASSEY al DAVIES, married as below) > 1847 Elizabeth (baptised Elizabeth BRASSEY, m as Elizabeth BRASSEY in > 1870) > 1849 John (baptised John Brassey DAVIS, married as John BRASSEY in 1873) > 1851 Thomas (baptised as Thomas BRASSEY al DAVIES, m as Thomas BRASSEY) > > Joseph & Margaret's family are described as DAVIES in the 1851 Census, but > BRASSEY in 1841 & 1861 to 1891. > Son Edward (b1834) married as Edward Davies BRASSEY in 1858, but as Edward > DAVIES in 1861. > Daughter Margaret (b1844) married as Margaret BRASSEY in 1862. > > Prior to her marriage to Joseph Davies BRASSEY in 1831, Margaret DODD had > an > illegitimate son baptised William DOD on 28 February 1830 in Bidston St > Oswald. This child is described as William BRASSEY in the 1841 Census but > as > William DAVIES in the 1851. When he marrried Jane PENDLETON on 2 October > 1854 in Liverpool St Simon he was William Dodd DAVIES, father Joseph > DAVIES. > He appears to feature twice in the 1861 Census, thus :- > > Farmer's Cross, Moreton, Cheshire > Joseph BRASSIE, 54, wheelwright, CHS Saughall Massie > Margaret, wife, 51, CHS Moreton > William, son, U, 30, wheelwright, CHS Moreton > > Sefton Road, Litherland, Lancashire > Richard PENDLETON, W, 65, labourer, LAN Litherland > Jane BRASSEY, daur, M, 27, wheelwright's wife, LAN Litherland > William BRASSEY, son-in-law, M, 30, wheelwright journeyman, CHS Moreton > Richard BRASSEY, grandson, 2, CHS Moreton > Robert JONES, grandson, 4, LAN Liverpool > > Oh, what a tangled web.............. :-) > > Gordon > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email