Hi, I am looking for a Ruth CAUNCE who was possibly born in Chorley in 1931. A lady with this name transferred title to herself of one of my family 's graves in Anfield cemetery in 1973 and we do not know what relationship or connection he has with our THOMAS family The cemeteries office have been unable to help as they only keep their records for 15 years. Any information much appreciated Many thanks Ann

It's just occurred to me that I should perhaps have included a copy to the Merseyside list when posting a message to the Anglesey and Caernavonshire lists earlier this evening (see below). Regards Gordon From: "Gordon Evans" <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> To: <wls-anglesey@rootsweb.com> Cc: <wls-caernarfonshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 10:39 AM Subject: [AGY] Warren WILLIAMS, artist - b1863 Holyhead? >Hi >I'm trying to determine the ancestry of British painter Warren WILLIAMS, >described here :- >http://www.benards-gallery.co.uk/biography/warren_williams.pdf >Samples of whose work can be seen at :- > http://www.baronfineart.com/Gallery/warren_williams.htm >And gravestone here :- >http://www.findonvillage.com/0986_cissbury_ring_mystery_with_warren_williams.htm >He married my first cousin twice removed Cicely JONES (b1869 New Brighton) >on 17 February 1892 in Bidston St Oswald (Cheshire) and had six surviving >WILLIAMS children :- >1893 Hubert Warren (b Liscard) >1894 Nesta Dorothy Warren (b New Brighton) >1897 Geoffrey Warren (b New Brighton) >1900 Ileene Cicily Warren (b AGY Cemaes) >1903 Eric Warren (b AGY Moelfre) >1905 Doreen Warren (b CAE Conway) >Despite what it says in his above biography I believe him to have been born >plain Hugh WILLIAMS in 1860 in Liverpool, this being him with both parents >and half-sibling Elizabeth DAVIES :- >1861 Census >109 Mann Street, Toxteth, Liverpool >John WILLIAMS, 33, seaman in Crosby lightship, AGY Holyhead >Elizabeth, wife, 38, DEN Wrexham >Elizabeth, daur, 7, LAN Liverpool >Hugh, 5 months, LAN Liverpool >Elizabeth LLOYD, servant, U, 21, DEN Wrexham >Hugh's mother is believed to have been an Elizabeth LLOYD, born c1822 in >Wrexham, who married a Robert DAVIES in 1852 in Liverpool St Phillip but >was >widowed by the time she married John WILLIAMS five years later in Toxteth >St >John the Baptist. >John WILLIAMS died in Toxteth on 15 March 1869 at the early age of 41, >his occupation being given as officer on board the Mersey Buoy Tender. >One strong possibility for John with his earlier family is :- >1851 Census >Forge Hill, Holyhead >William WILLIAMS, 49, boatman, Holyhead >Ellinor, wife, 48, Holyhead >John, son, U, 21, Holyhead [no occupation shown] >Jane, daur, 17, Holyhead >William, son, 9, Holyhead >Wondered if anyone on the list might have access to early Holyhead >registers >and might be able to identify John's baptism c1827-1830? >And maybe also his parents' marriage, which ideally would identify his >mother as Ellinor WARREN, thus explaining artist grandson Hugh's apparent >fascination with this name? >Gordon Evans >Wirral UK

Hi all (especially Walter Jones in Scotland) Further to my post last week I've now received a copy certificate for the marriage of artist Warren WILLIAMS' parents, which reads thus :- St John the Baptist, Toxteth 5 May 1857 John WILLIAMS, 30, bachelor, mariner, residence Wellington Road, father Hugh WILLIAMS, farmer, and Elizabeth DAVIES, 30, widow, residence Bedford Street, father David LLOYD, wheelwright. [Both bride & groom signed the register. Witnesses were Donald McKNIGHT and Margaret SHARPLES]. THIS, then, would appear to be John with his parents and siblings six years earlier :- 1851 Wales Census Bodwaren, Holyhead Hugh WILLIAMS, 65, farmer of 82 acres, AGY Holyhead Dorothy, wife, 56, CAE Llanllyfni Hugh, son, U, 33, farmer's son, AGY Holyhead John, son, U, 24, sailor, AGY Holyhead Henry, son, U, 22, smith, AGY Holyhead Richard, son, 12, AGY Holyhead The Holyhead St Cybi parish registers have the following baptisms for children of Hugh & Dorothy WILLIAMS, farmer, of Bodwaren, Holyhead :- 1813 (7 June) Margaret 1815 (23 July) William 1818 (5 Dec) Hugh 1821 (6 Jan) Emma 1825 (27 Mar) Elizabeth 1827 (1 July) John Crosby lightship seaman John WILLIAMS (from the 1861 England Census) named his only son HUGH and only daughter Harriet Dorothy. So the inspiration for Liverpool-born artist Hugh's 'professional' name of Warren WILLIAMS looks to have been the name of his grandparents' farm in Holyhead? PS. Can send a scan of the 1857 marriage certificate to anyone sufficiently interested. Regards Gordon From: "Gordon Evans" <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:10 PM Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Hugh (Warren) WILLIAMS (b1860 Liverpool) >It's just occurred to me that I should perhaps have included a copy to the >Merseyside list when posting a message to the Anglesey and Caernavonshire >lists earlier this evening (see below). >Regards >Gordon Hi I'm trying to determine the ancestry of British painter Warren WILLIAMS, described here :- http://www.benards-gallery.co.uk/biography/warren_williams.pdf Samples of whose work can be seen at :- http://www.baronfineart.com/Gallery/warren_williams.htm And gravestone here :- http://www.findonvillage.com/0986_cissbury_ring_mystery_with_warren_williams.htm He married my first cousin twice removed Cicely JONES (b1869 New Brighton) on 17 February 1892 in Bidston St Oswald (Cheshire) and had six surviving WILLIAMS children :- 1893 Hubert Warren (b Liscard) 1894 Nesta Dorothy Warren (b New Brighton) 1897 Geoffrey Warren (b New Brighton) 1900 Ileene Cicily Warren (b AGY Cemaes) 1903 Eric Warren (b AGY Moelfre) 1905 Doreen Warren (b CAE Conway) Despite what it says in his above biography I believe him to have been born plain Hugh WILLIAMS in 1860 in Liverpool, this being him with both parents and half-sibling Elizabeth DAVIES :- 1861 Census 109 Mann Street, Toxteth, Liverpool John WILLIAMS, 33, seaman in Crosby lightship, AGY Holyhead Elizabeth, wife, 38, DEN Wrexham Elizabeth, daur, 7, LAN Liverpool Hugh, 5 months, LAN Liverpool Elizabeth LLOYD, servant, U, 21, DEN Wrexham Hugh's mother is believed to have been an Elizabeth LLOYD, born c1822 in Wrexham, who married a Robert DAVIES in 1852 in Liverpool St Phillip but was widowed by the time she married John WILLIAMS five years later in Toxteth St John the Baptist. John WILLIAMS died in Toxteth on 15 March 1869 at the early age of 41, his occupation being given as officer on board the Mersey Buoy Tender. One strong possibility for John with his earlier family is :- 1851 Census Forge Hill, Holyhead William WILLIAMS, 49, boatman, Holyhead Ellinor, wife, 48, Holyhead John, son, U, 21, Holyhead [no occupation shown] Jane, daur, 17, Holyhead William, son, 9, Holyhead Wondered if anyone on the list might have access to early Holyhead registers and might be able to identify John's baptism c1827-1830? And maybe also his parents' marriage, which ideally would identify his mother as Ellinor WARREN, thus explaining artist grandson Hugh's apparent fascination with this name? Gordon Evans Wirral UK

Hi Walter You wrote to me privately a fortnight ago :- >I have a Great Aunt, Cicely JONES (b1869 New Brighton) who (M) a Hugh >Warren WILLIAMS (b1860 Liverpool). He was a well known Artist in his >day, and for a long time I've tried to pin down just where and when he >was born etc :- (Got his B Cert. earlier this year). Wondered if you could perhaps give a few details from the birth certificate - in particular whether he was registered as Hugh Warren, or just plain Hugh? PS. Note my offer concerning his parents' marriage certificate in the post below my signature. Regards Gordon From: "Gordon Evans" <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 8:49 PM Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Hugh (Warren) WILLIAMS (b1860 Liverpool) > Hi all (especially Walter Jones in Scotland) > > Further to my post last week I've now received a copy certificate for the > marriage of artist Warren WILLIAMS' parents, which reads thus :- > > St John the Baptist, Toxteth > 5 May 1857 > John WILLIAMS, 30, bachelor, mariner, residence Wellington Road, father > Hugh > WILLIAMS, farmer, and > Elizabeth DAVIES, 30, widow, residence Bedford Street, father David LLOYD, > wheelwright. > [Both bride & groom signed the register. > Witnesses were Donald McKNIGHT and Margaret SHARPLES]. > > THIS, then, would appear to be John with his parents and siblings six > years > earlier :- > > 1851 Wales Census > Bodwaren, Holyhead > Hugh WILLIAMS, 65, farmer of 82 acres, AGY Holyhead > Dorothy, wife, 56, CAE Llanllyfni > Hugh, son, U, 33, farmer's son, AGY Holyhead > John, son, U, 24, sailor, AGY Holyhead > Henry, son, U, 22, smith, AGY Holyhead > Richard, son, 12, AGY Holyhead > > The Holyhead St Cybi parish registers have the following baptisms for > children of Hugh & Dorothy WILLIAMS, farmer, of Bodwaren, Holyhead :- > > 1813 (7 June) Margaret > 1815 (23 July) William > 1818 (5 Dec) Hugh > 1821 (6 Jan) Emma > 1825 (27 Mar) Elizabeth > 1827 (1 July) John > > Crosby lightship seaman John WILLIAMS (from the 1861 England Census) named > his only son HUGH and only daughter Harriet Dorothy. > > So the inspiration for Liverpool-born artist Hugh's 'professional' name of > Warren WILLIAMS looks to have been the name of his grandparents' farm in > Holyhead? > > PS. Can send a scan of the 1857 marriage certificate to anyone > sufficiently > interested. > > Regards > Gordon

Hi Just to say that I've received a wonderful response to this post on another list, which I can copy to anyone with a sufficiently close family interest? Regards Gordon From: "Gordon Evans" <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 8:49 PM Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Hugh (Warren) WILLIAMS (b1860 Liverpool) >Hi all (especially Walter Jones in Scotland) > >Further to my post last week I've now received a copy certificate for the >marriage of artist Warren WILLIAMS' parents, which reads thus :- > >St John the Baptist, Toxteth >5 May 1857 >John WILLIAMS, 30, bachelor, mariner, residence Wellington Road, father >Hugh >WILLIAMS, farmer, and >Elizabeth DAVIES, 30, widow, residence Bedford Street, father David LLOYD, >wheelwright. >[Both bride & groom signed the register. >Witnesses were Donald McKNIGHT and Margaret SHARPLES]. > >THIS, then, would appear to be John with his parents and siblings six years >earlier :- > >1851 Wales Census >Bodwaren, Holyhead >Hugh WILLIAMS, 65, farmer of 82 acres, AGY Holyhead >Dorothy, wife, 56, CAE Llanllyfni >Hugh, son, U, 33, farmer's son, AGY Holyhead >John, son, U, 24, sailor, AGY Holyhead >Henry, son, U, 22, smith, AGY Holyhead >Richard, son, 12, AGY Holyhead > >The Holyhead St Cybi parish registers have the following baptisms for >children of Hugh & Dorothy WILLIAMS, farmer, of Bodwaren, Holyhead :- > >1813 (7 June) Margaret >1815 (23 July) William >1818 (5 Dec) Hugh >1821 (6 Jan) Emma >1825 (27 Mar) Elizabeth >1827 (1 July) John > >Crosby lightship seaman John WILLIAMS (from the 1861 England Census) named >his only son HUGH and only daughter Harriet Dorothy. > >So the inspiration for Liverpool-born artist Hugh's 'professional' name of >Warren WILLIAMS looks to have been the name of his grandparents' farm in >Holyhead? > >PS. Can send a scan of the 1857 marriage certificate to anyone sufficiently >interested. > >Regards >Gordon > > From: "Gordon Evans" <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> > To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:10 PM > Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Hugh (Warren) WILLIAMS (b1860 Liverpool) > >>It's just occurred to me that I should perhaps have included a copy to the >>Merseyside list when posting a message to the Anglesey and Caernavonshire >>lists earlier this evening (see below). >>Regards >>Gordon > > Hi > > I'm trying to determine the ancestry of British painter Warren WILLIAMS, > described here :- > > http://www.benards-gallery.co.uk/biography/warren_williams.pdf > > Samples of whose work can be seen at :- > > http://www.baronfineart.com/Gallery/warren_williams.htm > > And gravestone here :- > > http://www.findonvillage.com/0986_cissbury_ring_mystery_with_warren_williams.htm > > He married my first cousin twice removed Cicely JONES (b1869 New Brighton) > on 17 February 1892 in Bidston St Oswald (Cheshire) and had six surviving > WILLIAMS children :- > > 1893 Hubert Warren (b Liscard) > 1894 Nesta Dorothy Warren (b New Brighton) > 1897 Geoffrey Warren (b New Brighton) > 1900 Ileene Cicily Warren (b AGY Cemaes) > 1903 Eric Warren (b AGY Moelfre) > 1905 Doreen Warren (b CAE Conway) > > Despite what it says in his above biography I believe him to have been > born > plain Hugh WILLIAMS in 1860 in Liverpool, this being him with both parents > and half-sibling Elizabeth DAVIES :- > > 1861 Census > 109 Mann Street, Toxteth, Liverpool > John WILLIAMS, 33, seaman in Crosby lightship, AGY Holyhead > Elizabeth, wife, 38, DEN Wrexham > Elizabeth, daur, 7, LAN Liverpool > Hugh, 5 months, LAN Liverpool > Elizabeth LLOYD, servant, U, 21, DEN Wrexham > > Hugh's mother is believed to have been an Elizabeth LLOYD, born c1822 in > Wrexham, who married a Robert DAVIES in 1852 in Liverpool St Phillip but > was > widowed by the time she married John WILLIAMS five years later in Toxteth > St > John the Baptist. > John WILLIAMS died in Toxteth on 15 March 1869 at the early age of 41, > his occupation being given as officer on board the Mersey Buoy Tender. > > One strong possibility for John with his earlier family is :- > > 1851 Census > Forge Hill, Holyhead > William WILLIAMS, 49, boatman, Holyhead > Ellinor, wife, 48, Holyhead > John, son, U, 21, Holyhead [no occupation shown] > Jane, daur, 17, Holyhead > William, son, 9, Holyhead > > Wondered if anyone on the list might have access to early Holyhead > registers > and might be able to identify John's baptism c1827-1830? > And maybe also his parents' marriage, which ideally would identify his > mother as Ellinor WARREN, thus explaining artist grandson Hugh's apparent > fascination with this name? > > Gordon Evans > Wirral UK