Hi Pam The criminal record shows only what I wrote except that Gilmer's residence is from Cheshire, but I can't see any more than that. There is another occurrence in 1847 under Thos. Gilmore age 17. I can send you the images off list if you like. That is a good find on 1871 census, I would never have thought that spelling. I'm impressed. I see it now. Mary Highton Gilmer died 2nd q 1874 and Thomas Gilmer looks to have died 3rd q 1882 Birkenhead. Yes, I did see the Mary Elizabeth Gilmer marriage to John Kaye. Thanks for sharing to both you and Gordon Eleanor In a message dated 7/28/2010 11:31:56 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pamcraven@btinternet.com writes: Hi Gordon/Eleanor Thomas transcribed as GEIMER on 1871 living 31 Queen Street Tranmere, wife Mary nee HIGHTON transcribed as May 1871 RG10/3751 Folio 18 page 30 Thomas GEIMER (GILMER) Head Mar age 42 Plasterer Tranmere CHS May (Mary wife Mar 40 Liverpool LAN Emily dau 10 Scholar Tanmere CHS John son 3 Tranmere CHS Thomas 2 mths Tranmere CHS 1881 Thomas widower still living 31 Queen Street I have tried every which way to find them in 1861 but no luck First child Mary E GILMER born 1853 Tranmere Mary (1853) married John KAYE (transcribed BMD KAY) Mar qtr 1872 Birkenhead Children all born Tranmere Samuel 1872 John 1877 Emily 1877 This is as much as I have found so far, hope it helps. I am interested in the court case details? Pam "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a good looking and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, shouting - Wow! What a ride!" -----Original Message----- From: eng-merseyside-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-merseyside-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Preulet@aol.com Sent: 28 July 2010 2:50 PM To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Mary HIGHTON (b1831 Liverpool) Hi Gordon, Pam may or may not have had the misfortune of not receiving her private email :-( but it sure turned into good fortune for me to get this new info :-) The Highton's sure are a hard lot to find on the censuses. Even Gilmer I can't locate in 1861/1871 but I'll keep searching. Am wondering if this Thomas Gilmer is the same one imprisoned Aug 15 1853 Chester Cty 6 weeks for larceny, probably not since it is different county. Have a good day Eleanor In a message dated 7/27/2010 3:04:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com writes: Hi Pam Talking of mail problems, wondered if you'd received the following e-mail from me, which I sent privately to you and Von on 3rd July? :- 'Not sure if you've got this one, which I managed to sight in the Liverpool RO on Thursday, just days before it closes for a two-year make-over :- Marriage 1 July 1850 Liverpool St Nicholas Thomas GILMER, full age, bachelor, plasterer, Ray Street, father William GILMER, mariner, and Mary HIGHTON, minor, spinster, Ray Street, father Henry HIGHTON, porter. Witnesses were Samuel SHERLOCK and Martha Jane CLARK. Mary believed to be a daughter of Elizabeth SHERLOCK (b1796 Caldy), so your first cousin 4 times removed?' Regards Gordon From: "Pam Craven" <pamcraven@btinternet.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] (no subject) >Hi Gordon that is why we all need to be vigilant and not open up >something without an explanation and that looks genuine. I expect >these lists are easy targets. :( Pam ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message