Hi Gordon I had not connected the families as I had KAYE and KAY so they did not show up together in my legacy file. I have John marrying Margaret WALKER in 1890 she was born 1871 ST Johns Wood London Children of Henry HIGH TON 1836 and Elizabeth KAY Thomas James bap 4/5/1856 Tranmere St Catherine's John 25/1/1858 Tranmere St Catherine's died 1859 William Henry 24/1/1859 Tranmere S Catherine's died 1859 Richard 3/6/1860 Tranmere St Catherine's Eleanor Ann 20/5/1866 Birkenhead St Mary William Henry 1869 sthere is a death in BMD 1871 he was on 1871 census with them aged 1 Elizabeth 2/11/1872 Tranmere St Pauls John 14/9/1872 Tranmere St Pauls William Henry 18/1/1877 Tranmere St Pauls They seem to have had two Johns and Three William Henry's Interestingly I had William married to Alice HAMLIN 1897 Liverpool ST Simon she was born Everton 1897 So we have 2 William's married to two Alices but the B'head one could be right as he is listed as William Henry I have children from some of these marriages if you want to follow the lines a bit further. Pam "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a good looking and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, shouting - Wow! What a ride!" -----Original Message----- From: eng-merseyside-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-merseyside-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Evans Sent: 29 July 2010 10:38 AM To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Mary HIGHTON (b1831 Liverpool) Pam wrote :- >First child Mary E GILMER born 1853 Tranmere Mary (1853) married John >KAYE (transcribed BMD KAY) Mar qtr 1872 Birkenhead The marriage was in fact on 11 February 1872 in Birkenhead St Mary, groom's father being given as Samuel KAY (search.labs). John's parents appear to have been Samuel KEY and Maria PLETTS, who married somewhere in Liverpool in 1838, John probably being the two-month old infant listed here :- 1851 Census HO 107/2175 folio 900 page 6 Albert Place, Tranmere Samuel KEY, 35, boatman, CHS Tranmere Maria, wife, 39, CHS Beamwell Elizabeth, daur, 7, CHS Tranmere Samuel, son, 5, CHS Tranmere Thomas, son, 3, CHS Tranmere William, son, 2, CHS Tranmere Infant, son, 2 months, CHS Tranmere. Maria looks to have died in 1855, aged 39 (Cheshire BMD). I have Samuel senior as born 1817 in Tranmere, baptised 13 July 1817 in Bebington St Andrew, son of Thomas & Elizabeth KAY. Samuel appears to have had a sibling James KAY, baptised 27 December 1812 in Bebington St Andrew, who married a Ruth Ann from Greinton, Somerset. In 1855, in Liverpool, James & Ruth Ann's eldest daughter Elizabeth KAY married Henry HIGHTON - younger brother to the Mary HIGHTON who married Thomas GILMER in 1850. Henry and Elizabeth (nee KAY) had the following HIGHTON children all born in Tranmere :- 1856 Thomas James (m Dora GIBBONS 1877 Liverpool St Nicholas) 1860 Richard (m Agnes BAIRD 1884 Kirkdale St Mary) 1871 John (m Margaret from London c1891) 1872 Elizabeth Ann (m John James GREEN 1892 Liverpool St Peter) 1876 William Henry (m Alice LYONS 1899 Birkenhead Civil) Henry HIGHTON looks to have died in 1897, aged 62; Elizabeth HIGHTON in 1902, aged 68 (reported as 63 in both Cheshire BMD/Free BMD). If I'm correct with all the above then Mary Elizabeth GILMER would have been niece by marriage to her husband John KAY's first cousin? Regards Gordon From: "Pam Craven" <pamcraven@btinternet.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Mary HIGHTON (b1831 Liverpool) >Hi Gordon/Eleanor >Thomas transcribed as GEIMER on 1871 living 31 Queen Street Tranmere, >wife Mary nee HIGHTON transcribed as May >1871 RG10/3751 Folio 18 page 30 >Thomas GEIMER (GILMER) Head Mar age 42 Plasterer Tranmere CHS May (Mary >wife Mar 40 Liverpool LAN Emily dau 10 Scholar Tanmere CHS John son 3 >Tranmere CHS Thomas 2 mths Tranmere CHS >1881 Thomas widower still living 31 Queen Street I have tried every >which way to find them in 1861 but no luck First child Mary E GILMER >born 1853 Tranmere Mary (1853) married John KAYE (transcribed BMD KAY) >Mar qtr 1872 Birkenhead Children all born Tranmere Samuel 1872 John >1877 Emily 1877 This is as much as I have found so far, hope it helps. >I am interested in the court case details? >Pam ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pam Henry & Elizabeth's daughter Eleanor Ann (b1866) died in the December quarter of 1871, aged 5. Their son William Henry (b1869) died in the same quarter, aged 2. Son Richard died in 1892 aged 32. There were two more children in addition to the ones you've listed - an Ann Elizabeth born/died in 1862, and an Ann born 1863 died 1865, aged 2. I'm afraid I don't agree with your John HIGHTON/Margaret WALKER marriage. Free BMD lists four names under marriage ref West Derby 8b/738 in the September quarter of 1890 :- HIGHTON John HOOTON Thomas WALKER Margaret WOODS Esther However, if you look at Lancashire BMD you'll find that Margaret WALKER married John HOOTON and John HIGHTON married Esther WOODS? Moreover, John HIGHTON is listed as single & living with his parents in the 1891 Census? Proof that Henry & Elizabeth's son William Henry (b1876 Tranmere) married Alice LYONS rather than Alice HAMLIN, by the way, lies in naming of the son born in 1900 viz Lawrence Henry HIGHTON. Alice LYONS was a daughter of Lawrence James LYONS & Ellen CUNNINGHAM. In the 1911 Census widowed Harry (William H) HIGHTON is living with his widowed mother-in-law Ellen LYONS. Regards Gordon From: "Pam Craven" <pamcraven@btinternet.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Mary HIGHTON (b1831 Liverpool) >Hi Gordon >I had not connected the families as I had KAYE and KAY so they did not >show >up together in my legacy file. >I have John marrying Margaret WALKER in 1890 she was born 1871 ST Johns >Wood >London >Children of Henry HIGH TON 1836 and Elizabeth KAY >Thomas James bap 4/5/1856 Tranmere St Catherine's >John 25/1/1858 Tranmere St Catherine's died 1859 >William Henry 24/1/1859 Tranmere S Catherine's died 1859 >Richard 3/6/1860 Tranmere St Catherine's >Eleanor Ann 20/5/1866 Birkenhead St Mary >William Henry 1869 sthere is a death in BMD 1871 he was on 1871 census >with >them aged 1 >Elizabeth 2/11/1872 Tranmere St Pauls >John 14/9/1872 Tranmere St Pauls >William Henry 18/1/1877 Tranmere St Pauls >They seem to have had two Johns and Three William Henry's >Interestingly I had William married to Alice HAMLIN 1897 Liverpool ST >Simon >she was born Everton 1897 >So we have 2 William's married to two Alices but the B'head one could be >right as he is listed as William Henry >I have children from some of these marriages if you want to follow the >lines >a bit further. >Pam