Hi Gordon, Pam may or may not have had the misfortune of not receiving her private email :-( but it sure turned into good fortune for me to get this new info :-) The Highton's sure are a hard lot to find on the censuses. Even Gilmer I can't locate in 1861/1871 but I'll keep searching. Am wondering if this Thomas Gilmer is the same one imprisoned Aug 15 1853 Chester Cty 6 weeks for larceny, probably not since it is different county. Have a good day Eleanor In a message dated 7/27/2010 3:04:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com writes: Hi Pam Talking of mail problems, wondered if you'd received the following e-mail from me, which I sent privately to you and Von on 3rd July? :- 'Not sure if you've got this one, which I managed to sight in the Liverpool RO on Thursday, just days before it closes for a two-year make-over :- Marriage 1 July 1850 Liverpool St Nicholas Thomas GILMER, full age, bachelor, plasterer, Ray Street, father William GILMER, mariner, and Mary HIGHTON, minor, spinster, Ray Street, father Henry HIGHTON, porter. Witnesses were Samuel SHERLOCK and Martha Jane CLARK. Mary believed to be a daughter of Elizabeth SHERLOCK (b1796 Caldy), so your first cousin 4 times removed?' Regards Gordon From: "Pam Craven" <pamcraven@btinternet.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] (no subject) >Hi Gordon that is why we all need to be vigilant and not open up something >without an explanation and that looks genuine. I expect these lists are >easy >targets. :( >Pam ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Gordon/Eleanor Thomas transcribed as GEIMER on 1871 living 31 Queen Street Tranmere, wife Mary nee HIGHTON transcribed as May 1871 RG10/3751 Folio 18 page 30 Thomas GEIMER (GILMER) Head Mar age 42 Plasterer Tranmere CHS May (Mary wife Mar 40 Liverpool LAN Emily dau 10 Scholar Tanmere CHS John son 3 Tranmere CHS Thomas 2 mths Tranmere CHS 1881 Thomas widower still living 31 Queen Street I have tried every which way to find them in 1861 but no luck First child Mary E GILMER born 1853 Tranmere Mary (1853) married John KAYE (transcribed BMD KAY) Mar qtr 1872 Birkenhead Children all born Tranmere Samuel 1872 John 1877 Emily 1877 This is as much as I have found so far, hope it helps. I am interested in the court case details? Pam "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a good looking and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, shouting - Wow! What a ride!" -----Original Message----- From: eng-merseyside-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-merseyside-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Preulet@aol.com Sent: 28 July 2010 2:50 PM To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Mary HIGHTON (b1831 Liverpool) Hi Gordon, Pam may or may not have had the misfortune of not receiving her private email :-( but it sure turned into good fortune for me to get this new info :-) The Highton's sure are a hard lot to find on the censuses. Even Gilmer I can't locate in 1861/1871 but I'll keep searching. Am wondering if this Thomas Gilmer is the same one imprisoned Aug 15 1853 Chester Cty 6 weeks for larceny, probably not since it is different county. Have a good day Eleanor In a message dated 7/27/2010 3:04:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com writes: Hi Pam Talking of mail problems, wondered if you'd received the following e-mail from me, which I sent privately to you and Von on 3rd July? :- 'Not sure if you've got this one, which I managed to sight in the Liverpool RO on Thursday, just days before it closes for a two-year make-over :- Marriage 1 July 1850 Liverpool St Nicholas Thomas GILMER, full age, bachelor, plasterer, Ray Street, father William GILMER, mariner, and Mary HIGHTON, minor, spinster, Ray Street, father Henry HIGHTON, porter. Witnesses were Samuel SHERLOCK and Martha Jane CLARK. Mary believed to be a daughter of Elizabeth SHERLOCK (b1796 Caldy), so your first cousin 4 times removed?' Regards Gordon From: "Pam Craven" <pamcraven@btinternet.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] (no subject) >Hi Gordon that is why we all need to be vigilant and not open up >something without an explanation and that looks genuine. I expect >these lists are easy targets. :( Pam ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pam wrote :- >First child Mary E GILMER born 1853 Tranmere >Mary (1853) married John KAYE (transcribed BMD KAY) Mar qtr 1872 Birkenhead The marriage was in fact on 11 February 1872 in Birkenhead St Mary, groom's father being given as Samuel KAY (search.labs). John's parents appear to have been Samuel KEY and Maria PLETTS, who married somewhere in Liverpool in 1838, John probably being the two-month old infant listed here :- 1851 Census HO 107/2175 folio 900 page 6 Albert Place, Tranmere Samuel KEY, 35, boatman, CHS Tranmere Maria, wife, 39, CHS Beamwell Elizabeth, daur, 7, CHS Tranmere Samuel, son, 5, CHS Tranmere Thomas, son, 3, CHS Tranmere William, son, 2, CHS Tranmere Infant, son, 2 months, CHS Tranmere. Maria looks to have died in 1855, aged 39 (Cheshire BMD). I have Samuel senior as born 1817 in Tranmere, baptised 13 July 1817 in Bebington St Andrew, son of Thomas & Elizabeth KAY. Samuel appears to have had a sibling James KAY, baptised 27 December 1812 in Bebington St Andrew, who married a Ruth Ann from Greinton, Somerset. In 1855, in Liverpool, James & Ruth Ann's eldest daughter Elizabeth KAY married Henry HIGHTON - younger brother to the Mary HIGHTON who married Thomas GILMER in 1850. Henry and Elizabeth (nee KAY) had the following HIGHTON children all born in Tranmere :- 1856 Thomas James (m Dora GIBBONS 1877 Liverpool St Nicholas) 1860 Richard (m Agnes BAIRD 1884 Kirkdale St Mary) 1871 John (m Margaret from London c1891) 1872 Elizabeth Ann (m John James GREEN 1892 Liverpool St Peter) 1876 William Henry (m Alice LYONS 1899 Birkenhead Civil) Henry HIGHTON looks to have died in 1897, aged 62; Elizabeth HIGHTON in 1902, aged 68 (reported as 63 in both Cheshire BMD/Free BMD). If I'm correct with all the above then Mary Elizabeth GILMER would have been niece by marriage to her husband John KAY's first cousin? Regards Gordon From: "Pam Craven" <pamcraven@btinternet.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Mary HIGHTON (b1831 Liverpool) >Hi Gordon/Eleanor >Thomas transcribed as GEIMER on 1871 living 31 Queen Street Tranmere, wife >Mary nee HIGHTON transcribed as May >1871 RG10/3751 Folio 18 page 30 >Thomas GEIMER (GILMER) Head Mar age 42 Plasterer Tranmere CHS >May (Mary wife Mar 40 Liverpool LAN >Emily dau 10 Scholar Tanmere CHS >John son 3 Tranmere CHS >Thomas 2 mths Tranmere CHS >1881 Thomas widower still living 31 Queen Street >I have tried every which way to find them in 1861 but no luck >First child Mary E GILMER born 1853 Tranmere >Mary (1853) married John KAYE (transcribed BMD KAY) Mar qtr 1872 >Birkenhead >Children all born Tranmere >Samuel 1872 >John 1877 >Emily 1877 >This is as much as I have found so far, hope it helps. I am interested in >the court case details? >Pam

Hi Eleanor (The Hightons are a hard lot to find ) Tell me about it !!! I think Mary is one of mine but trying to connect her is difficult I have Marys, Eleanors,thomas and Henry  in my branch Cheers George --- On Wed, 28/7/10, Preulet@aol.com <Preulet@aol.com> wrote: From: Preulet@aol.com <Preulet@aol.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Mary HIGHTON (b1831 Liverpool) To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, 28 July, 2010, 14:50 Hi Gordon, Pam may or may not have had the misfortune of not receiving her  private email :-(  but it sure turned into good fortune for me to get this  new info :-) The Highton's sure are a hard lot to find on the censuses.  Even  Gilmer I can't locate in 1861/1871 but I'll keep searching. Am wondering  if  this Thomas Gilmer is the same one imprisoned Aug 15 1853 Chester  Cty 6 weeks for larceny, probably not since it is different county. Have a good day Eleanor In a message dated 7/27/2010 3:04:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com writes: Hi  Pam Talking of mail problems, wondered if you'd received the following  e-mail from me, which I sent privately to you and Von on 3rd July?   :- 'Not sure if you've got this one, which I managed to sight in the  Liverpool RO on Thursday, just days before it closes for a two-year  make-over :- Marriage 1 July 1850 Liverpool St Nicholas Thomas  GILMER, full age, bachelor, plasterer, Ray Street, father William GILMER,  mariner, and Mary HIGHTON, minor, spinster, Ray Street, father Henry  HIGHTON, porter. Witnesses were Samuel SHERLOCK and Martha Jane  CLARK. Mary believed to be a daughter of Elizabeth SHERLOCK (b1796  Caldy), so your first cousin 4 times  removed?' Regards Gordon From: "Pam Craven"  <pamcraven@btinternet.com> To:  <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 2:57  PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] (no subject) >Hi Gordon that is  why we all need to be vigilant and not open up something >without an  explanation and that looks genuine. I expect these lists  are >easy >targets.  :( >Pam ------------------------------- To unsubscribe  from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com  with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of  the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message