Off topic Sks recommend a free or reasonably priced family tree building software please Please reply to Lesley.culshaw@blueyonder.co.uk ttfn. Lesley

Hiya Leslie, I have been using the PAF software for more than 10 years. It is wonderful. I have cousins that have used the Family Tree Maker or other expensive software that has switched and they give rave reviews on the PAF software. It is available for free download from the FamilySearch.org website. If this URL doesn't get you to the download page let me know... http://www.ldscatalog.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10151&storeId=10151&categoryId=14000&langId=-1&cg1=&cg2=&cg3=&cg4=&cg5= Lainee -------------------------------------------------- From: "LiverpoolLady" <lesley.culshaw@blueyonder.co.uk> Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 8:53 AM To: "'MERSEYSIDE'" <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Off topic Sks recommend a free or reasonablypriced family tree building software please > Off topic Sks recommend a free or reasonably priced family tree building > software please > Please reply to Lesley.culshaw@blueyonder.co.uk ttfn. Lesley

Hi Gordon & Pam In looking at the 1901 census , there is a John HIGHTON married to Margaret b in London His mom Elizabeth is with them as Head. Also I see a John Highton married 1892 4q Birkenhead. Unfortunately, it doesn't give the spouse. :-( Eleanor In a message dated 7/29/2010 2:45:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com writes: I'm afraid I don't agree with your John HIGHTON/Margaret WALKER marriage. Free BMD lists four names under marriage ref West Derby 8b/738 in the September quarter of 1890 :- HIGHTON John HOOTON Thomas WALKER Margaret WOODS Esther However, if you look at Lancashire BMD you'll find that Margaret WALKER married John HOOTON and John HIGHTON married Esther WOODS? Moreover, John HIGHTON is listed as single & living with his parents in the 1891 Census?

Hi Marged As Lainee is apparently domiciled on ther other side of the Atlantic, will 'moderation' of the list mean that posts by UK members will lie around for six hours or so before they're allowed to proceed to their intended destination? If so then I'll unsubscribe now and rejoin when you return from your holiday. :-( Gordon From: "Marged" <marged36@btinternet.com> To: "ENG-MERSEYSIDE" <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 8:33 PM Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Lainee's in charge >I have had quite a few kind offers of help while I am away on holiday and >have accepted the offer from Lainee Denton-Jones. >In the meantime, the whole list has been placed on Moderation, to avoid >any further problems until we perhaps get a solution. >I'll be back in a week - so keep safe. >Marged

I have had quite a few kind offers of help while I am away on holiday and have accepted the offer from Lainee Denton-Jones. In the meantime, the whole list has been placed on Moderation, to avoid any further problems until we perhaps get a solution. I'll be back in a week - so keep safe. Marged No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3036 - Release Date: 07/29/10 07:34:00

I have had quite a few kind offers of help while I am away on holiday and have accepted the offer from Lainee Denton-Jones. In the meantime, the whole list has been placed on Moderation, to avoid any further problems until we perhaps get a solution. I'll be back in a week - so keep safe. Marged No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3036 - Release Date: 07/29/10 07:34:00

Hi Pam Henry & Elizabeth's daughter Eleanor Ann (b1866) died in the December quarter of 1871, aged 5. Their son William Henry (b1869) died in the same quarter, aged 2. Son Richard died in 1892 aged 32. There were two more children in addition to the ones you've listed - an Ann Elizabeth born/died in 1862, and an Ann born 1863 died 1865, aged 2. I'm afraid I don't agree with your John HIGHTON/Margaret WALKER marriage. Free BMD lists four names under marriage ref West Derby 8b/738 in the September quarter of 1890 :- HIGHTON John HOOTON Thomas WALKER Margaret WOODS Esther However, if you look at Lancashire BMD you'll find that Margaret WALKER married John HOOTON and John HIGHTON married Esther WOODS? Moreover, John HIGHTON is listed as single & living with his parents in the 1891 Census? Proof that Henry & Elizabeth's son William Henry (b1876 Tranmere) married Alice LYONS rather than Alice HAMLIN, by the way, lies in naming of the son born in 1900 viz Lawrence Henry HIGHTON. Alice LYONS was a daughter of Lawrence James LYONS & Ellen CUNNINGHAM. In the 1911 Census widowed Harry (William H) HIGHTON is living with his widowed mother-in-law Ellen LYONS. Regards Gordon From: "Pam Craven" <pamcraven@btinternet.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Mary HIGHTON (b1831 Liverpool) >Hi Gordon >I had not connected the families as I had KAYE and KAY so they did not >show >up together in my legacy file. >I have John marrying Margaret WALKER in 1890 she was born 1871 ST Johns >Wood >London >Children of Henry HIGH TON 1836 and Elizabeth KAY >Thomas James bap 4/5/1856 Tranmere St Catherine's >John 25/1/1858 Tranmere St Catherine's died 1859 >William Henry 24/1/1859 Tranmere S Catherine's died 1859 >Richard 3/6/1860 Tranmere St Catherine's >Eleanor Ann 20/5/1866 Birkenhead St Mary >William Henry 1869 sthere is a death in BMD 1871 he was on 1871 census >with >them aged 1 >Elizabeth 2/11/1872 Tranmere St Pauls >John 14/9/1872 Tranmere St Pauls >William Henry 18/1/1877 Tranmere St Pauls >They seem to have had two Johns and Three William Henry's >Interestingly I had William married to Alice HAMLIN 1897 Liverpool ST >Simon >she was born Everton 1897 >So we have 2 William's married to two Alices but the B'head one could be >right as he is listed as William Henry >I have children from some of these marriages if you want to follow the >lines >a bit further. >Pam

Thank you for those comforting words, Angelika! Marged Marged, I don't think there is any need for anyone to unsubscribe as long as people are sensible. Viruses can't harm you unless you activate them by opening the attachment or clicking on the link. Attachments get detached on this list (so no danger there). HTML seems to get converted to plain text - so again, no danger from links unless people actually click on them. I wouldn't worry. Angelika ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3036 - Release Date: 07/29/10 07:34:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3036 - Release Date: 07/29/10 07:34:00

Marged wrote: > Unfortunately I am about to go on holiday for a week so please bear with me. > I will try to get a response tonight but tomorrow will be too late! > > Perhaps people would prefer to unsubscribe for a while? > Marged, I don't think there is any need for anyone to unsubscribe as long as people are sensible. Viruses can't harm you unless you activate them by opening the attachment or clicking on the link. Attachments get detached on this list (so no danger there). HTML seems to get converted to plain text - so again, no danger from links unless people actually click on them. I wouldn't worry. Angelika

HI Lainee - I have taken your advice and forwarded the whole thing to them. If I don't get a satisfactory response from someone TONIGHT, I will be putting the entire list on "no mail" until I return from holiday. Thank you for writing Marged You actually got the attachment Marged? If so, then you need to forward a copy of the email WITH the attachment to listmaster@rootsweb.com Lainee No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3036 - Release Date: 07/29/10 07:34:00

My AVG not only let it through but it stated that there was no virus found in the message. Marged It was posted to the list, so we all received it (unless our spam filters caught it) Fortunately the list is set up to strip attachments, so the attachment No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3036 - Release Date: 07/29/10 07:34:00

I have received this mail myself and tried to respond to it by writing to support@Rootsweb.com However, it bounced back to me immediately from the Daemon mailer, and what they bounced back came to me with a great deal of script, which indicates, I think, that there may have been some script we couldn't see. I am about to write to the List Owners list to see if they can help. We seem to be under attack on this list, since we also had that stuff from David Pontee (although we know it didn't really come from him). Unfortunately I am about to go on holiday for a week so please bear with me. I will try to get a response tonight but tomorrow will be too late! Perhaps people would prefer to unsubscribe for a while? Marged No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3036 - Release Date: 07/29/10 07:34:00

It was posted to the list, so we all received it (unless our spam filters caught it) Fortunately the list is set up to strip attachments, so the attachment referred to in the email did not actually get through. It was almost definitely a virus. (I've seen near-identical emails before) RAY JONES wrote: > Has anyone else received an e mail similar to the one I received below > purporting to have originated with rootsweb? > Ray Jones > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rootsweb.com Member Services" <support@rootsweb.com> > To: <eng-merseyside-bounces@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 2:03 AM > Subject: [Norton AntiSpam][ENG-MERSEYSIDE] rootsweb.com account notification > > >> Dear Customer, >> >> This e-mail was send by rootsweb.com to notify you that we have temporanly >> prevented access to your account. >> >> We have reasons to beleive that your account may have been accessed by >> someone else. Please run attached file and Follow instructions. >> >> (C) rootsweb.com >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes i received one a few minutes ago and i have just deleted it On 29 Jul 2010, at 17:36, RAY JONES wrote: > Has anyone else received an e mail similar to the one I received below > purporting to have originated with rootsweb? > Ray Jones > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rootsweb.com Member Services" <support@rootsweb.com> > To: <eng-merseyside-bounces@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 2:03 AM > Subject: [Norton AntiSpam][ENG-MERSEYSIDE] rootsweb.com account > notification > > >> Dear Customer, >> >> This e-mail was send by rootsweb.com to notify you that we have >> temporanly >> prevented access to your account. >> >> We have reasons to beleive that your account may have been accessed >> by >> someone else. Please run attached file and Follow instructions. >> >> (C) rootsweb.com >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hiya, Gordon, Yes, I am on the other side of the Big Pond, but I keep weird hours. I generally get up about 1 in the morning my time (CEntral Time) so if I remember correctly would be about 7 your time. Which would also mean that I would have the ability most days to release messages almost immediately. I go to bed about 5 p.m. my time most days which again if I remember would be about 11 p.m. your time. Every once in a while it might take me an hour or so to get the messages out...but mostly I think they will be released with in minutes. Lainee -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gordon Evans" <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 3:17 PM To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com>; "ENG-MERSEYSIDE" <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Lainee's in charge > Hi Marged > > As Lainee is apparently domiciled on ther other side of the Atlantic, will > 'moderation' of the list mean that posts by UK members will lie around for > six hours or so before they're allowed to proceed to their intended > destination? > If so then I'll unsubscribe now and rejoin when you return from your > holiday. :-( > > Gordon > > From: "Marged" <marged36@btinternet.com> > To: "ENG-MERSEYSIDE" <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 8:33 PM > Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Lainee's in charge > >>I have had quite a few kind offers of help while I am away on holiday and >>have accepted the offer from Lainee Denton-Jones. >>In the meantime, the whole list has been placed on Moderation, to avoid >>any further problems until we perhaps get a solution. >>I'll be back in a week - so keep safe. >>Marged

Hiya everyone, First off, I want to thank Marged for allowing me the opportunity to help her...and then to tell you all that I have been a list administrator and board administrator with Rootsweb for about 10 years. I have been on this list for probably 5 years, maybe 6...I created and run the Southport list...affectionately called S'Port! LOL I met Marged while on a trip to visit my in-laws in Liverpool in 2005. My in-laws, my husband, and I took the train up to Southport and met up with Marged and others from the S'Port list. We had an enjoyable afternoon! Marged and I periodically talk about that day so long ago! So, I am not new to list adminning, not new to this list, and am friends with Marged. Have fun, Marged...we will be here waiting when you get back...hugs! Lainee -------------------------------------------------- From: "Marged" <marged36@btinternet.com> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 2:33 PM To: "ENG-MERSEYSIDE" <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Lainee's in charge > I have had quite a few kind offers of help while I am away on holiday and > have accepted the offer from Lainee Denton-Jones. > > In the meantime, the whole list has been placed on Moderation, to avoid > any further problems until we perhaps get a solution. > > I'll be back in a week - so keep safe. > > Marged

Hi Gordon I had not connected the families as I had KAYE and KAY so they did not show up together in my legacy file. I have John marrying Margaret WALKER in 1890 she was born 1871 ST Johns Wood London Children of Henry HIGH TON 1836 and Elizabeth KAY Thomas James bap 4/5/1856 Tranmere St Catherine's John 25/1/1858 Tranmere St Catherine's died 1859 William Henry 24/1/1859 Tranmere S Catherine's died 1859 Richard 3/6/1860 Tranmere St Catherine's Eleanor Ann 20/5/1866 Birkenhead St Mary William Henry 1869 sthere is a death in BMD 1871 he was on 1871 census with them aged 1 Elizabeth 2/11/1872 Tranmere St Pauls John 14/9/1872 Tranmere St Pauls William Henry 18/1/1877 Tranmere St Pauls They seem to have had two Johns and Three William Henry's Interestingly I had William married to Alice HAMLIN 1897 Liverpool ST Simon she was born Everton 1897 So we have 2 William's married to two Alices but the B'head one could be right as he is listed as William Henry I have children from some of these marriages if you want to follow the lines a bit further. Pam "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a good looking and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, shouting - Wow! What a ride!" -----Original Message----- From: eng-merseyside-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-merseyside-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Evans Sent: 29 July 2010 10:38 AM To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Mary HIGHTON (b1831 Liverpool) Pam wrote :- >First child Mary E GILMER born 1853 Tranmere Mary (1853) married John >KAYE (transcribed BMD KAY) Mar qtr 1872 Birkenhead The marriage was in fact on 11 February 1872 in Birkenhead St Mary, groom's father being given as Samuel KAY (search.labs). John's parents appear to have been Samuel KEY and Maria PLETTS, who married somewhere in Liverpool in 1838, John probably being the two-month old infant listed here :- 1851 Census HO 107/2175 folio 900 page 6 Albert Place, Tranmere Samuel KEY, 35, boatman, CHS Tranmere Maria, wife, 39, CHS Beamwell Elizabeth, daur, 7, CHS Tranmere Samuel, son, 5, CHS Tranmere Thomas, son, 3, CHS Tranmere William, son, 2, CHS Tranmere Infant, son, 2 months, CHS Tranmere. Maria looks to have died in 1855, aged 39 (Cheshire BMD). I have Samuel senior as born 1817 in Tranmere, baptised 13 July 1817 in Bebington St Andrew, son of Thomas & Elizabeth KAY. Samuel appears to have had a sibling James KAY, baptised 27 December 1812 in Bebington St Andrew, who married a Ruth Ann from Greinton, Somerset. In 1855, in Liverpool, James & Ruth Ann's eldest daughter Elizabeth KAY married Henry HIGHTON - younger brother to the Mary HIGHTON who married Thomas GILMER in 1850. Henry and Elizabeth (nee KAY) had the following HIGHTON children all born in Tranmere :- 1856 Thomas James (m Dora GIBBONS 1877 Liverpool St Nicholas) 1860 Richard (m Agnes BAIRD 1884 Kirkdale St Mary) 1871 John (m Margaret from London c1891) 1872 Elizabeth Ann (m John James GREEN 1892 Liverpool St Peter) 1876 William Henry (m Alice LYONS 1899 Birkenhead Civil) Henry HIGHTON looks to have died in 1897, aged 62; Elizabeth HIGHTON in 1902, aged 68 (reported as 63 in both Cheshire BMD/Free BMD). If I'm correct with all the above then Mary Elizabeth GILMER would have been niece by marriage to her husband John KAY's first cousin? Regards Gordon From: "Pam Craven" <pamcraven@btinternet.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Mary HIGHTON (b1831 Liverpool) >Hi Gordon/Eleanor >Thomas transcribed as GEIMER on 1871 living 31 Queen Street Tranmere, >wife Mary nee HIGHTON transcribed as May >1871 RG10/3751 Folio 18 page 30 >Thomas GEIMER (GILMER) Head Mar age 42 Plasterer Tranmere CHS May (Mary >wife Mar 40 Liverpool LAN Emily dau 10 Scholar Tanmere CHS John son 3 >Tranmere CHS Thomas 2 mths Tranmere CHS >1881 Thomas widower still living 31 Queen Street I have tried every >which way to find them in 1861 but no luck First child Mary E GILMER >born 1853 Tranmere Mary (1853) married John KAYE (transcribed BMD KAY) >Mar qtr 1872 Birkenhead Children all born Tranmere Samuel 1872 John >1877 Emily 1877 This is as much as I have found so far, hope it helps. >I am interested in the court case details? >Pam ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You actually got the attachment Marged? If so, then you need to forward a copy of the email WITH the attachment to listmaster@rootsweb.com Lainee -------------------------------------------------- From: "Marged" <marged36@btinternet.com> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 12:21 PM To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Fw: [Norton AntiSpam]rootsweb.comaccountnotification> My AVG not only let it through but it stated that there was no virus found in the message. > > Marged

Has anyone else received an e mail similar to the one I received below purporting to have originated with rootsweb? Ray Jones ----- Original Message ----- From: "rootsweb.com Member Services" <support@rootsweb.com> To: <eng-merseyside-bounces@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 2:03 AM Subject: [Norton AntiSpam][ENG-MERSEYSIDE] rootsweb.com account notification > Dear Customer, > > This e-mail was send by rootsweb.com to notify you that we have temporanly > prevented access to your account. > > We have reasons to beleive that your account may have been accessed by > someone else. Please run attached file and Follow instructions. > > (C) rootsweb.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

You actually got the attachment Marged? If so, then you need to forward a copy of the email WITH the attachment to listmaster@rootsweb.com Lainee -------------------------------------------------- From: "Marged" <marged36@btinternet.com> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 12:21 PM To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Fw: [Norton AntiSpam]rootsweb.comaccountnotification> My AVG not only let it through but it stated that there was no virus found in the message. > > Marged