James RAILTON was born at Arkholme, Lancs in 1862. In 1888 he married Ann WARD. James and Ann moved to Liverpool and set up home at 5, Daisy Street, Kirkdale. Their children who survived childhood were: Frances Elizabeth, born 1889. Frances married James CAWTHRON at West Derby in 1913. Frederick, born 1891. Frederick married Jessie YATES at West Derby in 1916. Robert Edward, born 1894, Robert died in France in WWI while serving with the Lancashire Regiment. Marion, born 1898. I have what I need from the records and I am now interested in finding descendants. David

Hi Gordon As Isabel (below)was b 1772 did she die in 1779 not 1769 Pam "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a good looking and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, shouting - Wow! What a ride!" -----Original Message----- From: eng-merseyside-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-merseyside-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marged Sent: 11 August 2010 8:30 AM To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] AUGHTON/SHORLICAR/ECCLES/JONES/SHERLOCK Sorry I don't have any real information to give you Gordon, but those Aughtons from North Meols are almost certain to still be around the Southport area - it's one of those Southport names. I took a look in the phone book for Shorlicar but the nearest to it was Shorleson. There are, however, five Sherlocks in the area. Marged Wondered if anyone on the list (apart from known blood-relatives) can relate to these people? :- Robert AUGHTON (b1732 North Meols) married Margaret SHORLICAR b1739 Birkdale) on 14 April 1761 in North Meols St Cuthbert, with AUGHTON children :- 1762 Easter 1764 Robert 1772 Isabel (d1769) 1774 John (d1797) 1777 Thomas 1779 Peggy (see below) 1782 Ann (d1783) 1785 Richard Peggy AUGHTON (b1779 Birkdale) married Thomas ECCLES (b1779 Ainsdale) on 9 February 1801 in North Meols St Cuthbert and had nine known ECCLES children born in Birkdale, Formby and Ainsdale. Thomas ECCLES' sibling John ECCLES (b1777 Ainsdale) married my 3 x great-grand-aunt Elizabeth JONES (b1781 Great Meols) on 15 March 1801 in West Kirby St Bridget and had ten known children born in Hoylake. Elizabeth's sister Peggy JONES (b1784 Great Meols) married my first cousin 5 times removed Joseph SHERLOCK (b1776 Greasby) on 12 August 1800 in Liverpool St Peter. Am trying to establish whether there might be a connection between the SHORLICARs of Birkdale and the SHERLOCKs of Wirral? Regards Gordon No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3063 - Release Date: 08/10/10 19:34:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Please note in second account the name Dr John Bligh - this man is an ancestor of Mr John Murray-Bligh of Formby who may be known to some. Also a descendent of Bligh of the Bounty! Marged On new snippets page Please support free sites http://www.old-merseytimes.co.uk/index.html Jane No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3083 - Release Date: 08/20/10 07:35:00

Hi All this is the message from SOG > An incomplete set of spare probate calendars (presumably from a > defunct local probate registry) came on the market a few years ago and > was obtained by East of London FHS. A note on their recent > e-newsletter suggests they sold them onto Ancestry > > Hence this Ancestry wills project doesn't seem to be a formal licence > agreement with the Courts Service but a private initiative. I guess > filling in the gaps depends on what Ancestry can negotiate with anyone > who has books for the missing years. Most of the copies around in ROs > are on film or fiche and these images have, it seems, been scanned > from the books. The images of the Ancestry books will not have any of > the marginal annotations or corrections that appear in the full set of > calendars at the Principal Probate Registry in High Holborn. > > For those of us who have been attending the interminable meetings with > the Courts Service in which we have heard promises of an online index > - don't hold your breath!! > > Perhaps the Courts Service will be stirred into action if they see a > growth in the number of copies of will ordered generated by the easier > availability of the calendars. > > The front page of the Library version of Ancestry.co.uk doesn't yet(as > of > yesterday) have a direct link to the wills database but staff and > volunteers in the Lower Library at SoG can help anyone find it if they > wish to use this online indexes at the SoG > > > Else Churchill > > Genealogist > > Society of Genealogists > > 14 Charterhouse Buildings > > Goswell Road > > London EC1M 7BA > > direct phone 020 7702 5488 > > visit the Society of Genealogists' Website www.sog.org.uk Pam "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a good looking and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, shouting - Wow! What a ride!" -----Original Message----- From: eng-merseyside-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-merseyside-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathy Binns Sent: 11 August 2010 5:20 PM To: ENG-LIVERPOOL@rootsweb.com; eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Probate Calendar now on Ancestry Hi all For those who have a subcription to Ancestry or access through a library - The National Probate Calendar 1861-1941 (index of wills and administrations) is available to search. Think it will be officially launched tomorrow but it is already showing on the site. Kathy Wirral ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all For those who have a subcription to Ancestry or access through a library - The National Probate Calendar 1861-1941 (index of wills and administrations) is available to search. Think it will be officially launched tomorrow but it is already showing on the site. Kathy Wirral

Hi Kathy This is a terrific addition with death specific, so have already completed several ancestors, so much better than just a quarter of the year. I noticed it last night but didn't realize it was a new service Thanks Regards Eleanor In a message dated 8/11/2010 1:27:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kathybinns@aol.com writes: Hi all For those who have a subcription to Ancestry or access through a library - The National Probate Calendar 1861-1941 (index of wills and administrations) is available to search. Think it will be officially launched tomorrow but it is already showing on the site. Kathy Wirral ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry I don't have any real information to give you Gordon, but those Aughtons from North Meols are almost certain to still be around the Southport area - it's one of those Southport names. I took a look in the phone book for Shorlicar but the nearest to it was Shorleson. There are, however, five Sherlocks in the area. Marged Wondered if anyone on the list (apart from known blood-relatives) can relate to these people? :- Robert AUGHTON (b1732 North Meols) married Margaret SHORLICAR b1739 Birkdale) on 14 April 1761 in North Meols St Cuthbert, with AUGHTON children :- 1762 Easter 1764 Robert 1772 Isabel (d1769) 1774 John (d1797) 1777 Thomas 1779 Peggy (see below) 1782 Ann (d1783) 1785 Richard Peggy AUGHTON (b1779 Birkdale) married Thomas ECCLES (b1779 Ainsdale) on 9 February 1801 in North Meols St Cuthbert and had nine known ECCLES children born in Birkdale, Formby and Ainsdale. Thomas ECCLES' sibling John ECCLES (b1777 Ainsdale) married my 3 x great-grand-aunt Elizabeth JONES (b1781 Great Meols) on 15 March 1801 in West Kirby St Bridget and had ten known children born in Hoylake. Elizabeth's sister Peggy JONES (b1784 Great Meols) married my first cousin 5 times removed Joseph SHERLOCK (b1776 Greasby) on 12 August 1800 in Liverpool St Peter. Am trying to establish whether there might be a connection between the SHORLICARs of Birkdale and the SHERLOCKs of Wirral? Regards Gordon No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3063 - Release Date: 08/10/10 19:34:00

Wondered if anyone on the list (apart from known blood-relatives) can relate to these people? :- Robert AUGHTON (b1732 North Meols) married Margaret SHORLICAR (b1739 Birkdale) on 14 April 1761 in North Meols St Cuthbert, with AUGHTON children :- 1762 Easter 1764 Robert 1772 Isabel (d1769) 1774 John (d1797) 1777 Thomas 1779 Peggy (see below) 1782 Ann (d1783) 1785 Richard Peggy AUGHTON (b1779 Birkdale) married Thomas ECCLES (b1779 Ainsdale) on 9 February 1801 in North Meols St Cuthbert and had nine known ECCLES children born in Birkdale, Formby and Ainsdale. Thomas ECCLES' sibling John ECCLES (b1777 Ainsdale) married my 3 x great-grand-aunt Elizabeth JONES (b1781 Great Meols) on 15 March 1801 in West Kirby St Bridget and had ten known children born in Hoylake. Elizabeth's sister Peggy JONES (b1784 Great Meols) married my first cousin 5 times removed Joseph SHERLOCK (b1776 Greasby) on 12 August 1800 in Liverpool St Peter. Am trying to establish whether there might be a connection between the SHORLICARs of Birkdale and the SHERLOCKs of Wirral? Regards Gordon

Wondered if anyone on the list (apart from known blood-relatives) can relate to these people? :- Robert AUGHTON (b1732 North Meols) married Margaret SHORLICAR b1739 Birkdale) on 14 April 1761 in North Meols St Cuthbert, with AUGHTON children :- 1762 Easter 1764 Robert 1772 Isabel (d1769) 1774 John (d1797) 1777 Thomas 1779 Peggy (see below) 1782 Ann (d1783) 1785 Richard Peggy AUGHTON (b1779 Birkdale) married Thomas ECCLES (b1779 Ainsdale) on 9 February 1801 in North Meols St Cuthbert and had nine known ECCLES children born in Birkdale, Formby and Ainsdale. Thomas ECCLES' sibling John ECCLES (b1777 Ainsdale) married my 3 x great-grand-aunt Elizabeth JONES (b1781 Great Meols) on 15 March 1801 in West Kirby St Bridget and had ten known children born in Hoylake. Elizabeth's sister Peggy JONES (b1784 Great Meols) married my first cousin 5 times removed Joseph SHERLOCK (b1776 Greasby) on 12 August 1800 in Liverpool St Peter. Am trying to establish whether there might be a connection between the SHORLICARs of Birkdale and the SHERLOCKs of Wirral? Regards Gordon

Children were quite often left out of a Will if they were already otherwise provided for - maybe a daughter had married and was now well provided for by her husband, or been given a sufficient "dowry" in lieu of a bequest; or maybe a child had already been set up in the family trade. Don't forget good old family feuds! BrianG On 10/08/2010 18:26, Preulet@aol.com wrote: > Hi Folks > > Has anyone ordered a Will only to find out upon receiving it, that only one > child was mentioned within the will > even though there were other living children at the time? I'm just > curious. > > Thank you > Eleanor > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

One needs to be careful about " old law in UK " because there are several.  I think here you mean England because that is different to other parts of the UK.  Then you have to differentiate between land and other types of property and so it goes on.  The whole thing is a minefield, which is why in Chancery the only beneficiaries are the lawyers.  Scottish law was always rather better on this and laid down strict proportions for the widow (The widow's terce) and for the children, but again land could be handled differently.  You really need to look at all cases individually and I think the earlier answer mentioning children already provided for and family feuds should also be considered.  In the case of wishing to ensure that a widow or children couldn't claim more from a deceased's estate, it was common to leave them a shilling, which meant in law they then couldn't challenge the will. Tomas Christie ________________________________ From: Muriel <muriel.hornby@sympatico.ca> To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 10 August, 2010 19:18:32 Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Last Will and Testament I think the old law in UK led to everything left to the eldest son. This may throw light on why only one was named. In some cases even the widow was left out. I stsnd to be corrected but that is what i have always been led to understand.  Good that some things change!!!Muriel -------------------------------------------------- From: <Preulet@aol.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 1:26 PM To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE@rootsweb.com> Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Last Will and Testament > Hi Folks > > Has anyone ordered a Will only to find out upon receiving it, that only > one > child was mentioned within the will > even though there were other living children at the time?  I'm  just > curious. > > Thank you > Eleanor > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think the old law in UK led to everything left to the eldest son. This may throw light on why only one was named. In some cases even the widow was left out. I stsnd to be corrected but that is what i have always been led to understand. Good that some things change!!!Muriel -------------------------------------------------- From: <Preulet@aol.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 1:26 PM To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE@rootsweb.com> Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Last Will and Testament > Hi Folks > > Has anyone ordered a Will only to find out upon receiving it, that only > one > child was mentioned within the will > even though there were other living children at the time? I'm just > curious. > > Thank you > Eleanor > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Folks Has anyone ordered a Will only to find out upon receiving it, that only one child was mentioned within the will even though there were other living children at the time? I'm just curious. Thank you Eleanor

I was sent this link this morning and found several of my ancestors on there who were in the Watchmaking trade. Also found quite a bit of family information, census and addresses for these people. Records of makers involved in the scientific instrument and horology trades includes Watchmakers http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/wml/spaceandtime/horology/ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3058 - Release Date: 08/08/10 07:35:00

Just to let the list know that things seem to be back to normal now so moderation has ended. Many thanks to Lainee for looking after things at a sticky time - certainly allowed me to go on holiday without worrying. Welcome back all and please let us have your queries or suggestions. Marged - List Admin No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3058 - Release Date: 08/08/10 07:35:00

Miss Marged, Glad to have been of a help and it was not a problem...very little out of the ordinary for me since I am up so early in the morning....usually up by about 7 a.m. your time and in by 11:00 p.m. your time. Lainee -------------------------------------------------- From: "Marged" <marged36@btinternet.com> Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 1:49 PM To: "ENG-MERSEYSIDE" <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Back to normal > Just to let the list know that things seem to be back to normal now so > moderation has ended. > > Many thanks to Lainee for looking after things at a sticky time - > certainly > allowed me to go on holiday without worrying. > > Welcome back all and please let us have your queries or suggestions. > > Marged - List Admin

Hi I'm new to this list although I have been a member of the Clwyd list for some time. I'm looking for links to the ancestors and /or descendants of James Kirkham who was a Greaser on RMS Titanic and drowned when she sank. On his signing on papers he gave his birthplace as Liverpool but he may have actually been from the Wallasey area. I think that his wife's name was Jane and that she gave birth to his daughter after his death. I have gleaned these bits of information from a variety of sources but have no hard evidence for them. Is there anyone on the list who can shed any light on this family for me please and help me get through, round or over the proverbial brick wall? Many thanks Anne Kirkham Bath

Gday list i will be on holiday for the next 4 weeks Bert in Oz

Hi All, Many thanks to Tomas Christie for the 1911 Census lookup of my grandfather George Frederick COOPER. Also, to Ron Frtzpatrick for his tip re a COOPER Tree. Regards, Roslyn McKearney - South Australia Genealogy COOPER - http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~cooperfamily No attachments with this message unless stated by the sender.

Hi All, It has been sometime since I was on the LIV and LAN Lists so was pleasantly surprise to find there are so many LAN Lists now. I am still trying to find out where my elusive grandfather George Frederick COOPER. I am wondering if the is anyone on this list who has access to the 1911 Census, who might be willing to do a lookup for me George was born in 1879 at West Derby. Regards, Roslyn McKearney - South Australia Genealogy COOPER - http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~cooperfamily No attachments with this message unless stated by the sender.