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It's just occurred to me that I should perhaps have included a copy to the Merseyside list when posting a message to the Anglesey and Caernavonshire lists earlier this evening (see below). Regards Gordon From: "Gordon Evans" <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> To: <wls-anglesey@rootsweb.com> Cc: <wls-caernarfonshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 10:39 AM Subject: [AGY] Warren WILLIAMS, artist - b1863 Holyhead? >Hi >I'm trying to determine the ancestry of British painter Warren WILLIAMS, >described here :- >http://www.benards-gallery.co.uk/biography/warren_williams.pdf >Samples of whose work can be seen at :- > http://www.baronfineart.com/Gallery/warren_williams.htm >And gravestone here :- >http://www.findonvillage.com/0986_cissbury_ring_mystery_with_warren_williams.htm >He married my first cousin twice removed Cicely JONES (b1869 New Brighton) >on 17 February 1892 in Bidston St Oswald (Cheshire) and had six surviving >WILLIAMS children :- >1893 Hubert Warren (b Liscard) >1894 Nesta Dorothy Warren (b New Brighton) >1897 Geoffrey Warren (b New Brighton) >1900 Ileene Cicily Warren (b AGY Cemaes) >1903 Eric Warren (b AGY Moelfre) >1905 Doreen Warren (b CAE Conway) >Despite what it says in his above biography I believe him to have been born >plain Hugh WILLIAMS in 1860 in Liverpool, this being him with both parents >and half-sibling Elizabeth DAVIES :- >1861 Census >109 Mann Street, Toxteth, Liverpool >John WILLIAMS, 33, seaman in Crosby lightship, AGY Holyhead >Elizabeth, wife, 38, DEN Wrexham >Elizabeth, daur, 7, LAN Liverpool >Hugh, 5 months, LAN Liverpool >Elizabeth LLOYD, servant, U, 21, DEN Wrexham >Hugh's mother is believed to have been an Elizabeth LLOYD, born c1822 in >Wrexham, who married a Robert DAVIES in 1852 in Liverpool St Phillip but >was >widowed by the time she married John WILLIAMS five years later in Toxteth >St >John the Baptist. >John WILLIAMS died in Toxteth on 15 March 1869 at the early age of 41, >his occupation being given as officer on board the Mersey Buoy Tender. >One strong possibility for John with his earlier family is :- >1851 Census >Forge Hill, Holyhead >William WILLIAMS, 49, boatman, Holyhead >Ellinor, wife, 48, Holyhead >John, son, U, 21, Holyhead [no occupation shown] >Jane, daur, 17, Holyhead >William, son, 9, Holyhead >Wondered if anyone on the list might have access to early Holyhead >registers >and might be able to identify John's baptism c1827-1830? >And maybe also his parents' marriage, which ideally would identify his >mother as Ellinor WARREN, thus explaining artist grandson Hugh's apparent >fascination with this name? >Gordon Evans >Wirral UK

Hi, I am looking for a Ruth CAUNCE who was possibly born in Chorley in 1931. A lady with this name transferred title to herself of one of my family 's graves in Anfield cemetery in 1973 and we do not know what relationship or connection he has with our THOMAS family The cemeteries office have been unable to help as they only keep their records for 15 years. Any information much appreciated Many thanks Ann

Hi again, Walter I of course appreciate that your health problems restrict your 'pc time' nowadays, but wondered if you might perhaps have missed my response to your question re the Crosby Lightship 1850-1870 viz :- >What sort of information were you hoping for concerning the Crosby >Lightship c1850-1870? >Since responsibility would at that time have come under the auspices of the >MDHB, records of both personnel and vessel should be in the Merseyside >Maritime Museum archives at Albert Dock. >Let's know exactly what you want and I'll see what I can do? Best wishes Gordon From: "Gordon Evans" <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] William TREVASKISS,executed 23 July 1844 in Halifax, Nova Scotia >Hi Walter >Sorry to hear of your health problems, but good to see you back on the >Merseyside list again after a long absence. :-) >Many thanks for searching the Scotland's People data-base, even if this >did >prove fruitless. >Wonder how complete their data-base is, and whether they're still adding >to >it? >James GILBERTSON and Sarah POPLAR (the witnesses to Elizabeth TREVASKISS's >wedding in 1848) married quite late in life in London, banns being read in >the churches of Southwark St Thomas (James' parish) and Streatham St >Leonard >(Sarah's) on 28 August, 4 September & 11 September 1836, culminating in :- >Marriage >St Thomas, Southwark >22 September 1836 >James GILBERTSON, bachelor, and Sarah Esther POPLAR, spinster >Both signed the register >Witnesses were William ARMSTRONG and Maria ARMSTRONG >The bride's full names would appear to scotch my suggestion that she and >John TREVASKISS's wife (Esther POPLAR) may have been sisters, but the >indications are that they must have been related in some way? >What sort of information were you hoping for concerning the Crosby >Lightship >c1850-1870? >Since responsibility would at that time have come under the auspices of >the >MDHB, records of both personnel and vessel should be in the Merseyside >Maritime Museum >archives at Albert Dock. >Let's know exactly what you want and I'll see what I can do? >Best regards >Gordon > From: "Walter Jones" <alsrecs@btopenworld.com> > To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:01 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] William TREVASKISS,executed 23 July 1844 in > Halifax, Nova Scotia > > Hello Gordon, and George, > Nice to be able to get involved for a change, but I'm afraid that after > trying late last night, and again earlier today, I have, after trying > everything I can think of, been unable to find anything on " > scotlandspeople > " to do with anyone by the name of POPLAR or any variants, nor Marriages > Etc:- for GILBERTSON. > I did find quite a few GILBERTSON'S in Shetlands, but non of the correct > F'nasme or Age, Census was a washout too for POPLAR. > Sorry I've not been able to get on the List much since Jan' so I hope all > Listers are Well? I've got to limit my time at the PC. due to Health > problems, which have eased a bit just lately, but still have to be > careful, > Old Age, don't help much either. > If there's Anything I can help with? Please let me know, and I'll do my > best > for you, and Anybody else for that matter. > One question for Gordon, would you know anything about the "" CROSBY LIGHT > SHIP ""? about 1850 TO 1870 ISH!? I've tried a number of searches but got > nothing of any use. > I'll need to leave it there for now, hope to hear from you > soon? > Walter, (SCOTLAND).

Hi Bill Wondered if you knew of a Tom Miller who (like you) lives in Phoenix, Arizona, and who is about to embark on a trip to England with his wife Laura? He's a direct descendant of fisherman Peter BALL (b1820 Southport) via his daughter Margaret (b1846 Southport) who married a James ASHWORTH on 23 January 1868 in Liverpool St Nicholas and emigrated to the USA a year later. Your ancestor Mary JONES (b1803 Great Meols) had a sister Susannah (b1825 Hoose) who married Hoylake fisherman Thomas JACKSON in 1845 and had 7 children, the eldest being an Ann, born 1846 in Hoose. On 15 July 1865, in Southport Holy Trinity, Ann JACKSON (b1846 Hoose) married Southport fisherman Peter BALL (b1845 Southport), the couple having three children born in Southport before crossing Liverpool Bay (around 1872) to Hoose, where they had five more. No evidence as yet that the two Southport fishermen named Peter BALL (one born in 1820 and the other in 1845) are directly related, but it seems a remarkable coincidence that you and Tom Miller should both be domiciled in Phoenix, Arizona, and both have connections to fishermen named Peter BALL domiciled in Southport in the mid-1800's? Best regards Gordon From: "Bill Hughes" <bremsray2@yahoo.com> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 11:51 PM Subject: Looking for a Carol H from West Kirby Hello, I am trying to locate a Carol H. from West Kirby who is a descendant of Peter Jones and shares some of the members of my Hughes ancestral tree. She had responded to a posting of mine . This Hughes family includes Joseph Hughes married to Margaret Barlow and Thomas Hughes married to Anne Harding from Wrexham. Thanks Bill Hughes Phoenix, Arizona

Hello George, I think I've got the Info:- your looking for, and am sending it direct as an attachment. Regards, Walter, Scotland. --- On Tue, 21/9/10, GEORGE HIGHTON <george.highton@btinternet.com> wrote: > From: GEORGE HIGHTON <george.highton@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] William TREVASKISS, executed 23 July 1844 in Halifax, Nova Scotia > To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, 21 September, 2010, 22:50 > Hi Walter > thanks for joining us > in February I went to Salt Lake City for some research and > a wonderful Lady Margaret Burry helped me with my research > she Thinks  that Esther,s Maiden name was Boyn with it > being Williams middle name and found 4 generations of > Boyn,s  with Esther,s father >   > William Boyn born june 1753 in Keith Banff Scotland > he married Elizabeth McGriggor his Parents John Boyn > b. Sept 1717 m,Helen Smith From Deskford Aberdeen > with children >   > John    april 1744 Keith Banff > Adam  Jan 1747/8   " > James  Nov. 1749   " > Margaret Dec.1750  " > William   Jun. 1753    " > Alexander Aug 1756  " > Anna        May 1759        " >   > his Father John married Janet Thain > and his Children > James  1716 > John     1717 > Adam    1720 > Jannet   1722 > Alexander 1725 > > And I think Esther was born in Carnie by Huntly Aberdeen > if you could look at theys on Scotish People I would be > very Greatful > She had a brother James b 1779 in Carnie > > Cheers George

On 02 April 1941 a Florence Compston (fathet Ed. Duckworth master printer) widow aged 53 married a William Walter Wilmin in Bolton Registry Office. Would like to find Florence's first marriage when she was, presumably, a Duckworth. Thanks, Mike

Hi Gordon And Walter I think John and Esther married somewhere in southern England John was Born in Plymouth Dock  ( Which is in the Parish of Stoke Damerel) c,1785 joined the Marines 17 June 1803I have his discharge from them at Bristol Set off the Rolls 21 Jun 1814  I have searched there to no avail and the first child I could find was Elizabeth Bapt St Mary Magdalen Woolwich 27 Oct 1813 so he was still in the Marines at the Birth even if he had not Married by then so I suspect he married in or around London or where he was posted then Anne Boyne Trevaskiss Married Peter Plowman in St Botolphs Aldersgate 18 May 1818 witness was a Cornelius Plowman and Elizabeth Trevasskiss married James Young St Olave or St Thomas Southwark If anyone finds the Marriage of John and Esther I would be very very Greatful Cheers George --- On Wed, 22/9/10, Gordon Evans <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> wrote: From: Gordon Evans <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] William TREVASKISS, executed 23 July 1844 in Halifax, Nova Scotia To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, 22 September, 2010, 22:54 Hi Walter Sorry to hear of your health problems, but good to see you back on the Merseyside list again after a long absence.   :-) Many thanks for searching the Scotland's People data-base, even if this did prove fruitless. Wonder how complete their data-base is, and whether they're still adding to it? James GILBERTSON and Sarah POPLAR (the witnesses to Elizabeth TREVASKISS's wedding in 1848) married quite late in life in London, banns being read in the churches of Southwark St Thomas (James' parish) and Streatham St Leonard (Sarah's) on 28 August, 4 September & 11 September 1836, culminating in :- Marriage St Thomas, Southwark 22 September 1836 James GILBERTSON, bachelor, and Sarah Esther POPLAR, spinster Both signed the register Witnesses were William ARMSTRONG and Maria ARMSTRONG The bride's full names would appear to scotch my suggestion that she and John TREVASKISS's wife (Esther POPLAR) may have been sisters, but the indications are that they must have been related in some way? What sort of information were you hoping for concerning the Crosby Lightship c1850-1870? Since responsibility would at that time have come under the auspices of the MDHB, records of both personnel and vessel should be in the Merseyside Maritime Museum archives at Albert Dock. Let's know exactly what you want and I'll see what I can do? Best regards Gordon From: "Walter Jones" <alsrecs@btopenworld.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] William TREVASKISS,executed 23 July 1844 in Halifax, Nova Scotia Hello Gordon, and George, Nice to be able to get involved for a change, but I'm afraid that after trying late last night, and again earlier today, I have, after trying everything I can think of, been unable to find anything on " scotlandspeople " to do with anyone by the name of POPLAR or any variants, nor Marriages Etc:- for GILBERTSON. I did find quite a few GILBERTSON'S in Shetlands, but non of the correct F'nasme or Age, Census was a washout too for POPLAR. Sorry I've not been able to get on the List much since Jan' so I hope all Listers are Well?  I've got to limit my time at the PC. due to Health problems, which have eased a bit just lately, but still have to be careful, Old Age, don't help much either. If there's Anything I can help with? Please let me know, and I'll do my best for you, and Anybody else for that matter. One question for Gordon, would you know anything about the "" CROSBY LIGHT SHIP ""? about 1850 TO 1870 ISH!? I've tried a number of searches but got nothing of any use. I'll need to leave it there for now, hope to hear from you soon? Walter, (SCOTLAND). ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just wondered if any one could throw any light on JESSIE PAGE my aunt born in LIverpool 1889. Parents James Samuel Page and Emily Rowlands. I have her living with parent up till 1901 and with a older sister 1911. After that there is nothing (There is a marriage for Jessie Page but that is not her I have the certificate) family myth says she went to Canada. Its like looking for a needle in a haystack but any suggestion welcome. Thanks Muriel (Ontario)

Hi Walter Sorry to hear of your health problems, but good to see you back on the Merseyside list again after a long absence. :-) Many thanks for searching the Scotland's People data-base, even if this did prove fruitless. Wonder how complete their data-base is, and whether they're still adding to it? James GILBERTSON and Sarah POPLAR (the witnesses to Elizabeth TREVASKISS's wedding in 1848) married quite late in life in London, banns being read in the churches of Southwark St Thomas (James' parish) and Streatham St Leonard (Sarah's) on 28 August, 4 September & 11 September 1836, culminating in :- Marriage St Thomas, Southwark 22 September 1836 James GILBERTSON, bachelor, and Sarah Esther POPLAR, spinster Both signed the register Witnesses were William ARMSTRONG and Maria ARMSTRONG The bride's full names would appear to scotch my suggestion that she and John TREVASKISS's wife (Esther POPLAR) may have been sisters, but the indications are that they must have been related in some way? What sort of information were you hoping for concerning the Crosby Lightship c1850-1870? Since responsibility would at that time have come under the auspices of the MDHB, records of both personnel and vessel should be in the Merseyside Maritime Museum archives at Albert Dock. Let's know exactly what you want and I'll see what I can do? Best regards Gordon From: "Walter Jones" <alsrecs@btopenworld.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] William TREVASKISS,executed 23 July 1844 in Halifax, Nova Scotia Hello Gordon, and George, Nice to be able to get involved for a change, but I'm afraid that after trying late last night, and again earlier today, I have, after trying everything I can think of, been unable to find anything on " scotlandspeople " to do with anyone by the name of POPLAR or any variants, nor Marriages Etc:- for GILBERTSON. I did find quite a few GILBERTSON'S in Shetlands, but non of the correct F'nasme or Age, Census was a washout too for POPLAR. Sorry I've not been able to get on the List much since Jan' so I hope all Listers are Well? I've got to limit my time at the PC. due to Health problems, which have eased a bit just lately, but still have to be careful, Old Age, don't help much either. If there's Anything I can help with? Please let me know, and I'll do my best for you, and Anybody else for that matter. One question for Gordon, would you know anything about the "" CROSBY LIGHT SHIP ""? about 1850 TO 1870 ISH!? I've tried a number of searches but got nothing of any use. I'll need to leave it there for now, hope to hear from you soon? Walter, (SCOTLAND).

Hi Eleanor Many thanks for this. Seems to raise doubts concerning the theory suggested by George's friend in SLC ie that Esther TREVASKISS's maiden name was BOYN? Best wishes Gordon From: <Preulet@aol.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] USA Marriage Records >Hi Gordon, >While I can't answer for the rest of the states, it is the case for New >York and I've found it very helpful for genealogy purposes. They request >mom's maiden name for most legal documents. I have also found it to >be true for anyone researching in France. >Regards >Eleanor > >In a message dated 9/22/2010 6:09:16 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com writes: > >Putting the name Sarah Ann Trevaskiss CHURCH, marriage, 1870, Manhattan, >New York County, into a search-box on the search.labs site >http://url.ie/7klx >indicates that the name of the bride's mother was Ester POPLAR. >Wondered if any of our listers in the USA can confirm that it was normal >for the maiden name of the bride's mother to be shown in American marriage >registers at that time, given that this has never (to my knowledge) been >the practice in England, even to this day? >Regards >Gordon

Putting the name Sarah Ann Trevaskiss CHURCH, marriage, 1870, Manhattan, New York County, into a search-box on the search.labs site http://url.ie/7klx indicates that the name of the bride's mother was Ester POLAR. Wondered if any of our listers in the USA can confirm that it was normal for the maiden name of the bride's mother to be shown in American marriage registers at that time, given that this has never (to my knowledge) been the practice in England, even to this day? Regards Gordon

Hi Gordon, While I can't answer for the rest of the states, it is the case for New York and I've found it very helpful for genealogy purposes. They request mom's maiden name for most legal documents. I have also found it to be true for anyone researching in France. Regards Eleanor In a message dated 9/22/2010 6:09:16 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com writes: Putting the name Sarah Ann Trevaskiss CHURCH, marriage, 1870, Manhattan, New York County, into a search-box on the search.labs site http://url.ie/7klx indicates that the name of the bride's mother was Ester POLAR. Wondered if any of our listers in the USA can confirm that it was normal for the maiden name of the bride's mother to be shown in American marriage registers at that time, given that this has never (to my knowledge) been the practice in England, even to this day? Regards Gordon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Walter thanks for joining us in February I went to Salt Lake City for some research and a wonderful Lady Margaret Burry helped me with my research she Thinks  that Esther,s Maiden name was Boyn with it being Williams middle name and found 4 generations of Boyn,s  with Esther,s father   William Boyn born june 1753 in Keith Banff Scotland he married Elizabeth McGriggor his Parents John Boyn b. Sept 1717 m,Helen Smith From Deskford Aberdeen with children   John    april 1744 Keith Banff Adam  Jan 1747/8   " James  Nov. 1749   " Margaret Dec.1750  " William   Jun. 1753    " Alexander Aug 1756  " Anna        May 1759        "   his Father John married Janet Thain and his Children James  1716 John     1717 Adam    1720 Jannet   1722 Alexander 1725 And I think Esther was born in Carnie by Huntly Aberdeen if you could look at theys on Scotish People I would be very Greatful She had a brother James b 1779 in Carnie Cheers George --- On Tue, 21/9/10, Walter Jones <alsrecs@btopenworld.com> wrote: From: Walter Jones <alsrecs@btopenworld.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] William TREVASKISS, executed 23 July 1844 in Halifax, Nova Scotia To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, 21 September, 2010, 22:01 Hello Gordon, and George,                         Nice to be able to get involved for a change, but I'm afraid that after trying late last night, and again earlier today, I have, after trying everything I can think of, been unable to find anything on " scotlandspeople " to do with anyone by the name of POPLAR or any variants, nor Marriages Etc:- for GILBERTSON.                             I did find quite a few GILBERTSON'S in Shetlands, but non of the correct F'nasme or Age, Census was a washout too for POPLAR.               Sorry I've not been able to get on the List much since Jan' so I hope all Listers are Well?  I've got to limit my time at the PC. due to Health problems, which have eased a bit just lately, but still have to be careful, Old Age, don't help much either.               If there's Anything I can help with? Please let me know, and I'll do my best for you, and Anybody else for that matter.               One question for Gordon, would you know anything about the "" CROSBY LIGHT SHIP ""? about 1850 TO 1870 ISH!? I've tried a number of searches but got nothing of any use.               I'll need to leave it there for now, hope to hear from you soon?               Walter, (SCOTLAND).           --- On Tue, 21/9/10, Gordon Evans <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> wrote: > From: Gordon Evans <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] William TREVASKISS, executed 23 July 1844 in Halifax, Nova Scotia > To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, 21 September, 2010, 10:37 > Hi George > > You wrote :- > > >We Also have a Sarah Ann Trevaskiss Married in New York > and says her > >Mothers Maiden Name was Poplar ? > > Wondered if you might be prepared to share further details > of this event > eg date of marriage and name of spouse? > > I had the marriage of Sarah Ann (b1834 Liverpool) pencilled > in as this one, > from Lancashire BMD  :- > > 1853 > Liverpool St Peter > Sarah Ann TREVASKISS and Sherman CHURCH > > On Free BMD :- > > 1853 DecQ > Sarah Ann TREVASKISS and Sherman CHURCH > Liverpool 8b/29 > > Lancs OPC have reached the year 1841 with transcriptions of > Liverpool St > Peter marriages, so hopefully we won't have too long to > wait in order to > determine the name & occupation of bride's > father.  :-) > > Regards > Gordon > > From: "GEORGE HIGHTON" <george.highton@btinternet.com> > To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 11:02 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] William TREVASKISS,executed > 23 July 1844 in > Halifax, Nova Scotia > > Hi Gordon > Thanks for your imput on this (It,s good to have someone > with a Logical > Brain to help me sort it out ) > I know that John Trevaskiss senior was Born in Plymouth > Dock (Now > Davenport ) c. 1785 From his Discharge from the Marines as > a Corporal and > ocupation Taylor > > !st Child Ive found Elizabeth 3 Oct 181813 > John 17 Apr. 1816 Bapt. St George In the East Stepney (my > Gr Gr > Grandfather ) > William Boyn 17 Feb. 1818 St. Dunstan & All saints > Stepney > Henry 4 Feb 1821 St George In the East > James c 1829 Lpool > Sarah Ann c. 1831 " > Sarah Ann c. 1834 " > > I have been sent a Booklet of all the trial account and > statements which is > facinating reading especially the statements of all the > Accused I think he > understated his age to garner sympathy from the court (he > was on Trial for > his Life ) in his statement he mentions he was on the U.S. > Cutter > "Constelation "and homesick the "Constelation" was in > Harbour 2/3 weeks > befor William Johnson Joined the "Saladin" he states he had > spent 3 years in > the China Seas Chasing Pirates so not enough time to have > another berth (I > asume he jumped Ship and changed his name to join the > Saladin and take the > ill fated journey home > We Also have a marriage Of Ann Boyne Trevaskiss to Peter > Plowman 11 May 1818 > at St Botolph Aldersgate so the name Boyn could be further > back than Esther > and a Sarah Ann Trevaskiss Married in New York and says her > Mothers Maiden > Name was Poplar ? > Cheers George > > >  > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Gordon, and George,                         Nice to be able to get involved for a change, but I'm afraid that after trying late last night, and again earlier today, I have, after trying everything I can think of, been unable to find anything on " scotlandspeople " to do with anyone by the name of POPLAR or any variants, nor Marriages Etc:- for GILBERTSON.                             I did find quite a few GILBERTSON'S in Shetlands, but non of the correct F'nasme or Age, Census was a washout too for POPLAR.               Sorry I've not been able to get on the List much since Jan' so I hope all Listers are Well? I've got to limit my time at the PC. due to Health problems, which have eased a bit just lately, but still have to be careful, Old Age, don't help much either.               If there's Anything I can help with? Please let me know, and I'll do my best for you, and Anybody else for that matter.               One question for Gordon, would you know anything about the "" CROSBY LIGHT SHIP ""? about 1850 TO 1870 ISH!? I've tried a number of searches but got nothing of any use. I'll need to leave it there for now, hope to hear from you soon? Walter, (SCOTLAND).           --- On Tue, 21/9/10, Gordon Evans <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> wrote: > From: Gordon Evans <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] William TREVASKISS, executed 23 July 1844 in Halifax, Nova Scotia > To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, 21 September, 2010, 10:37 > Hi George > > You wrote :- > > >We Also have a Sarah Ann Trevaskiss Married in New York > and says her > >Mothers Maiden Name was Poplar ? > > Wondered if you might be prepared to share further details > of this event > eg date of marriage and name of spouse? > > I had the marriage of Sarah Ann (b1834 Liverpool) pencilled > in as this one, > from Lancashire BMD  :- > > 1853 > Liverpool St Peter > Sarah Ann TREVASKISS and Sherman CHURCH > > On Free BMD :- > > 1853 DecQ > Sarah Ann TREVASKISS and Sherman CHURCH > Liverpool 8b/29 > > Lancs OPC have reached the year 1841 with transcriptions of > Liverpool St > Peter marriages, so hopefully we won't have too long to > wait in order to > determine the name & occupation of bride's > father.  :-) > > Regards > Gordon > > From: "GEORGE HIGHTON" <george.highton@btinternet.com> > To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 11:02 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] William TREVASKISS,executed > 23 July 1844 in > Halifax, Nova Scotia > > Hi Gordon > Thanks for your imput on this (It,s good to have someone > with a Logical > Brain to help me sort it out ) > I know that John Trevaskiss senior was Born in Plymouth > Dock (Now > Davenport ) c. 1785 From his Discharge from the Marines as > a Corporal and > ocupation Taylor > > !st Child Ive found Elizabeth 3 Oct 181813 > John 17 Apr. 1816 Bapt. St George In the East Stepney (my > Gr Gr > Grandfather ) > William Boyn 17 Feb. 1818 St. Dunstan & All saints > Stepney > Henry 4 Feb 1821 St George In the East > James c 1829 Lpool > Sarah Ann c. 1831 " > Sarah Ann c. 1834 " > > I have been sent a Booklet of all the trial account and > statements which is > facinating reading especially the statements of all the > Accused I think he > understated his age to garner sympathy from the court (he > was on Trial for > his Life ) in his statement he mentions he was on the U.S. > Cutter > "Constelation "and homesick the "Constelation" was in > Harbour 2/3 weeks > befor William Johnson Joined the "Saladin" he states he had > spent 3 years in > the China Seas Chasing Pirates so not enough time to have > another berth (I > asume he jumped Ship and changed his name to join the > Saladin and take the > ill fated journey home > We Also have a marriage Of Ann Boyne Trevaskiss to Peter > Plowman 11 May 1818 > at St Botolph Aldersgate so the name Boyn could be further > back than Esther > and a Sarah Ann Trevaskiss Married in New York and says her > Mothers Maiden > Name was Poplar ? > Cheers George > > >  > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

Hi Gordon I suspect the first Sarah Ann b.c.1831 Died and both the other marriages are for the second Sarah Ann b 1834  (I am looking for the death of the first Sarah Ann now but can,t find it ) Cheers George --- On Tue, 21/9/10, Gordon Evans <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> wrote: From: Gordon Evans <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] William TREVASKISS, executed 23 July 1844 in Halifax, Nova Scotia To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, 21 September, 2010, 11:17 Hi again, George Have just noticed that both marriages are in fact listed on the search.labs site :- 14 October 1853 Liverpool St Peter Sarah Ann TREVASKISS and Sherman CHURCH Bride's father - John TREVASKISS Groom's father - Nathan Benjamin CHURCH 28 February 1870 Manhattan, New York Sarah Ann Trevaskiss CHURCH and Frederick WILLIAMS Bride's parents - John TREVASKISS and Ester POPLER Groom's parents - John WILLIAMS and Charlot WILLIAMS Regards Gordon From: "Gordon Evans" <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] William TREVASKISS,executed 23 July 1844 in Halifax, Nova Scotia > Hi George > > You wrote :- > >>We Also have a Sarah Ann Trevaskiss Married in New York and says her >>Mothers Maiden Name was Poplar ? > > Wondered if you might be prepared to share further details of this event > eg date of marriage and name of spouse? > > I had the marriage of Sarah Ann (b1834 Liverpool) pencilled in as this > one, > from Lancashire BMD  :- > > 1853 > Liverpool St Peter > Sarah Ann TREVASKISS and Sherman CHURCH > > On Free BMD :- > > 1853 DecQ > Sarah Ann TREVASKISS and Sherman CHURCH > Liverpool 8b/29 > > Lancs OPC have reached the year 1841 with transcriptions of Liverpool St > Peter marriages, so hopefully we won't have too long to wait in order to > determine the name & occupation of bride's father.  :-) > > Regards > Gordon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi again, George Have just noticed that both marriages are in fact listed on the search.labs site :- 14 October 1853 Liverpool St Peter Sarah Ann TREVASKISS and Sherman CHURCH Bride's father - John TREVASKISS Groom's father - Nathan Benjamin CHURCH 28 February 1870 Manhattan, New York Sarah Ann Trevaskiss CHURCH and Frederick WILLIAMS Bride's parents - John TREVASKISS and Ester POPLER Groom's parents - John WILLIAMS and Charlot WILLIAMS Regards Gordon From: "Gordon Evans" <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] William TREVASKISS,executed 23 July 1844 in Halifax, Nova Scotia > Hi George > > You wrote :- > >>We Also have a Sarah Ann Trevaskiss Married in New York and says her >>Mothers Maiden Name was Poplar ? > > Wondered if you might be prepared to share further details of this event > eg date of marriage and name of spouse? > > I had the marriage of Sarah Ann (b1834 Liverpool) pencilled in as this > one, > from Lancashire BMD :- > > 1853 > Liverpool St Peter > Sarah Ann TREVASKISS and Sherman CHURCH > > On Free BMD :- > > 1853 DecQ > Sarah Ann TREVASKISS and Sherman CHURCH > Liverpool 8b/29 > > Lancs OPC have reached the year 1841 with transcriptions of Liverpool St > Peter marriages, so hopefully we won't have too long to wait in order to > determine the name & occupation of bride's father. :-) > > Regards > Gordon

Hi George You wrote :- >We Also have a Sarah Ann Trevaskiss Married in New York and says her >Mothers Maiden Name was Poplar ? Wondered if you might be prepared to share further details of this event eg date of marriage and name of spouse? I had the marriage of Sarah Ann (b1834 Liverpool) pencilled in as this one, from Lancashire BMD :- 1853 Liverpool St Peter Sarah Ann TREVASKISS and Sherman CHURCH On Free BMD :- 1853 DecQ Sarah Ann TREVASKISS and Sherman CHURCH Liverpool 8b/29 Lancs OPC have reached the year 1841 with transcriptions of Liverpool St Peter marriages, so hopefully we won't have too long to wait in order to determine the name & occupation of bride's father. :-) Regards Gordon From: "GEORGE HIGHTON" <george.highton@btinternet.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 11:02 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] William TREVASKISS,executed 23 July 1844 in Halifax, Nova Scotia Hi Gordon Thanks for your imput on this (It,s good to have someone with a Logical Brain to help me sort it out ) I know that John Trevaskiss senior was Born in Plymouth Dock (Now Davenport ) c. 1785 From his Discharge from the Marines as a Corporal and ocupation Taylor !st Child Ive found Elizabeth 3 Oct 181813 John 17 Apr. 1816 Bapt. St George In the East Stepney (my Gr Gr Grandfather ) William Boyn 17 Feb. 1818 St. Dunstan & All saints Stepney Henry 4 Feb 1821 St George In the East James c 1829 Lpool Sarah Ann c. 1831 " Sarah Ann c. 1834 " I have been sent a Booklet of all the trial account and statements which is facinating reading especially the statements of all the Accused I think he understated his age to garner sympathy from the court (he was on Trial for his Life ) in his statement he mentions he was on the U.S. Cutter "Constelation "and homesick the "Constelation" was in Harbour 2/3 weeks befor William Johnson Joined the "Saladin" he states he had spent 3 years in the China Seas Chasing Pirates so not enough time to have another berth (I asume he jumped Ship and changed his name to join the Saladin and take the ill fated journey home We Also have a marriage Of Ann Boyne Trevaskiss to Peter Plowman 11 May 1818 at St Botolph Aldersgate so the name Boyn could be further back than Esther and a Sarah Ann Trevaskiss Married in New York and says her Mothers Maiden Name was Poplar ? Cheers George

Hi Gordon Thanks for your imput on this (It,s good to have someone with a Logical Brain to help me sort it out ) I know that John Trevaskiss senior was Born in Plymouth Dock (Now Davenport ) c. 1785 From his Discharge from the Marines as a Corporal and ocupation  Taylor !st Child Ive found Elizabeth 3 Oct 181813 John 17 Apr. 1816  Bapt. St George In the East Stepney (my Gr Gr Grandfather ) William Boyn 17 Feb. 1818 St. Dunstan & All saints Stepney Henry          4 Feb 1821   St George In the East James        c 1829     Lpool Sarah Ann  c. 1831         "        Sarah Ann  c. 1834         "   I have been sent a Booklet of all the trial account and statements which is facinating reading especially the statements of all the Accused I think he understated his age to garner sympathy from the court (he was on Trial for his Life ) in his statement he mentions he was on the U.S. Cutter "Constelation "and homesick the "Constelation" was in Harbour 2/3 weeks befor William Johnson Joined the "Saladin" he states he had spent 3 years in the China Seas Chasing Pirates so not enough time to have another berth (I asume he jumped Ship and changed his name to join the Saladin and take the ill fated journey home We Also have a marriage Of Ann Boyne Trevaskiss to Peter Plowman 11 May 1818 at St Botolph Aldersgate  so the name Boyn could be further back than Esther  and a Sarah Ann Trevaskiss Married in New York and says her Mothers Maiden Name was Poplar ? Cheers George --- On Mon, 20/9/10, Gordon Evans <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> wrote: From: Gordon Evans <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] William TREVASKISS, executed 23 July 1844 in Halifax, Nova Scotia To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, 20 September, 2010, 19:25 George Highton wrote on this list on 3 January 2009 :- >If you come across a William Trevaskiss or variants in your travels please >let me know as he went to sea at about 12 years of age and was hanged in >Nova Scotia for Piracy and Murder on the High seas in 1844 age 22 in his >statement to the court he seys "I recieved what little education I have at >the free school in Liverpool" but no one seems to know which was the free >school in Liverpool at this time his Father John Trevaskiss was in Kirkdale >prison for Bancrupcy at about this time Hi George As you're aware I've long been sceptical that this man was part of our family - largely because 'our' William TREVASKISS (born 7 February 1818 in Stepney) would have been aged 26 in July 1844 whereas newspaper reports said of the four executed pirates 'oldest not over 23 years'. William was also quoted as having several relatives living in London, one of them holding an office in Guy's Hospital, whereas we know that 'our' William's parents (John & Esther) + his brother John (b1816 Stepney) were living in Liverpool when the 1841 Census was taken. However, I've recently stumbled across several pieces of information which have caused me to change my mind, beginning with this baptism :- 27 October 1813 (born 3 October 1813) St Mary Magdalene, Woolwich, Kent Elizabeth, daughter of John & Esther TREVASKISS Abode - Woolwich Profession - Corporal of Marines Followed by this marriage :- 8 April 1848 St Thomas, Southwark, Surrey James YOUNG, of full age, bachelor, carpenter, residence  23 Weston Place, Bermondsey, father Joseph YOUNG (deceased), mason, and Elizabeth TREVASKISS, of full age, spinster, housekeeper, residence Guy's Hospital, father John TREVASKISS, tailor. Witnesses were a James GILBERTSON and Sarah POPLAR In the 1841 Census :- Guy's Hospital, London James GILBERTSON, 50, labourer, born Scotland Sarah GILBERTSON, 50, born Scotland Sarah POPLAR, 14, born Scotland In the 1851 Census :- Guy's Hospital, London James GILBERTSON, 60, labourer & Chelsea Pensioner, born Shetland Sarah, wife, 60, born Shetland Elizabeth POPLAR, niece, U, 22, servant, born Shetland Elizabeth YOUNG, niece, 2, born Southwark, Surrey The parish registers of St Olave, Bermondsey, have this baptism :- 25 March 1849 (born 4 February) Elizabeth, daughter of James & Elizabeth YOUNG Abode - Guy's Hospital Profession - carpenter So the indications are that James GILBERTSON's wife Sarah (born c1791 Shetland) and John TREVASKISS's wife Esther (born c1787 Scotland) were sisters? And had nieces Sarah POPLAR (c1827) and Elizabeth POPLAR (c1829), also born in Scotland? Wonder if anyone on this list has access to Scotland's People and might be able to help us here? Best regards Gordon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

George Highton wrote on this list on 3 January 2009 :- >If you come across a William Trevaskiss or variants in your travels please >let me know as he went to sea at about 12 years of age and was hanged in >Nova Scotia for Piracy and Murder on the High seas in 1844 age 22 in his >statement to the court he seys "I recieved what little education I have at >the free school in Liverpool" but no one seems to know which was the free >school in Liverpool at this time his Father John Trevaskiss was in Kirkdale >prison for Bancrupcy at about this time Hi George As you're aware I've long been sceptical that this man was part of our family - largely because 'our' William TREVASKISS (born 7 February 1818 in Stepney) would have been aged 26 in July 1844 whereas newspaper reports said of the four executed pirates 'oldest not over 23 years'. William was also quoted as having several relatives living in London, one of them holding an office in Guy's Hospital, whereas we know that 'our' William's parents (John & Esther) + his brother John (b1816 Stepney) were living in Liverpool when the 1841 Census was taken. However, I've recently stumbled across several pieces of information which have caused me to change my mind, beginning with this baptism :- 27 October 1813 (born 3 October 1813) St Mary Magdalene, Woolwich, Kent Elizabeth, daughter of John & Esther TREVASKISS Abode - Woolwich Profession - Corporal of Marines Followed by this marriage :- 8 April 1848 St Thomas, Southwark, Surrey James YOUNG, of full age, bachelor, carpenter, residence 23 Weston Place, Bermondsey, father Joseph YOUNG (deceased), mason, and Elizabeth TREVASKISS, of full age, spinster, housekeeper, residence Guy's Hospital, father John TREVASKISS, tailor. Witnesses were a James GILBERTSON and Sarah POPLAR In the 1841 Census :- Guy's Hospital, London James GILBERTSON, 50, labourer, born Scotland Sarah GILBERTSON, 50, born Scotland Sarah POPLAR, 14, born Scotland In the 1851 Census :- Guy's Hospital, London James GILBERTSON, 60, labourer & Chelsea Pensioner, born Shetland Sarah, wife, 60, born Shetland Elizabeth POPLAR, niece, U, 22, servant, born Shetland Elizabeth YOUNG, niece, 2, born Southwark, Surrey The parish registers of St Olave, Bermondsey, have this baptism :- 25 March 1849 (born 4 February) Elizabeth, daughter of James & Elizabeth YOUNG Abode - Guy's Hospital Profession - carpenter So the indications are that James GILBERTSON's wife Sarah (born c1791 Shetland) and John TREVASKISS's wife Esther (born c1787 Scotland) were sisters? And had nieces Sarah POPLAR (c1827) and Elizabeth POPLAR (c1829), also born in Scotland? Wonder if anyone on this list has access to Scotland's People and might be able to help us here? Best regards Gordon