Hi Eleanor I have Amy WALMSLEY in my family tree. The WALMSLEYs are also married into our HUNTINGTON family. I have: Robert WALMSLEY (1790 L'pool) marr Martha (could be McClearn but need records)These parents not proven but highly likely given daughter Martha and son Robert Robert WALMSLEY 1822 l'Pool Martha WALMSLEY 1826 L'Pool Robert (1822)marr Mary HUNTINGTON* (1828 L'pool)in 1851 St Marks L'Pool Children: Martha 1853 Robert Mollyneux 1854 - (1924 your info)marr Emily Victoria Hicks (by 1911 he is Principle of Polytechnic) Emma 1856 marr John Alfred HUNTINGTON (1856) in 1882 Lewisham London Thomas Huntington 1857 Mary 1859 William H 1861 Annie 1863 Amie 1868 Bessie 1870 Katie 1872 I only have one Amie/Amy and she is daughter of Robert Mollyneux. In 1911 I have: 1911 Census, WALMSLEY, Amy, BEDFORD, Bedfordshire Reference RG14PN8873 RG78PN467 RD174 SD5 ED8 SN328 Headmistress of Kindergate College sister Kate with her Teacher of Music *I think Mary HUNTINGTON 1828 is daughter of Thomas HUNTINGTON (1795 West Kirby) and Martha MOLLYNEUX 1797 Wallasey) (hence naming patterns but need to prove it) Hope this helps Pam "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a good looking and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, shouting - Wow! What a ride!" -----Original Message----- From: eng-merseyside-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-merseyside-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Preulet@aol.com Sent: 25 October 2010 8:12 AM To: ENG-MERSEYSIDE@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] WALMSLEY of Liverpool Hi Is anyone researching Walmsley of Liverpool? specifically WALMSLEY, Robert Mullineux bap 31 May 1854 Walton, Liverpool, Lancashire d.15 Jun 1924 Royal Northern Hosp, Holloway, Middlesex, England Married HICKS, Emily Victoria according to his Probate left an Inheritance to Amy WALMSLEY spinster who I assume is his daughter. If anyone can tell me anything about Amy I would appreciate it also, the name of 1st wife for Robert's son: WALMSLEY, John Mullineux b. 25 Jan 1900 Islington, Greater London, London, Middlesex d. 17 Jun 1982 Grosse Pte Farms, Wayne, Michigan All I have from travel records is her initials being H.G. or H. E. Thank you Regards Eleanor ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pam The Amy you have is Robert Mullineux Walmsley's sister? correct? In his probate he seems to leave to Robt, Mary Millicent & amy spinsters. Robt & Mary M are siblings so I thought perhaps Amy was daughter too, but Maybe Meg is correct with Amy being his sister Do you think there are 2 Amy's = sister and daughter? I don't have 1911 census access so thanks for that and is Katie also teaching at Kindergate which is located where? Just to clarify some data for you if you don't already have: WALMSLEY Robert born 28 April 1821, Bap 25 May 1821 St. Mark, Liverpool and proves parents to be Robert & Martha as you state - per familypilot married HUNTINGTON, Mary July 25, 1851 St. Mark, Liverpool, Lancashire, England per family pilot Children: additional info Martha b. 3q 1852 bap 24 Oct 1852 Everton, Robert Mullineux (Mully) Dr, Walmsley (spelling middle name is definitely Mullineux) (he was a beloved academic at what is now City College in London or I think that is the name which started as Polytechnic -you know I don't know England sad but true) Mully is the nickname his peers called him "behind his back" I have more on him if you like Emma b 4q 1855 Everton, Bap 25 May 1856 everton, Died 25 Jun 1935 126 Smithdown Rd, Liverpool William Henry b. 22 Dec 1860 Everton, Bap January 16, 1861 St Peter, Liverpool Annie b 28 Jan 1863 Gt Oxford St, Liverpool Bap September 01, 1863 St Peter, Liverpool Amy b 14 Aug 1867 Kensington (where is that?) Bap 14 Jan 1868 St Peter, Liverpool d 4q 1928 Bedford, Bedfordshire, Bessie b 29 July 1869 Everton Bap 08 Sep 1881 All Saints, Deptford, Kent Katie b 05 dec 1871 W. Derby Bap 08 Sep 1881 All Saints, Deptford, Kent Thanks for your help Regards Eleanor In a message dated 10/26/2010 10:46:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pamcraven@btinternet.com writes: Hi Eleanor I have Amy WALMSLEY in my family tree. The WALMSLEYs are also married into our HUNTINGTON family. I have: Robert WALMSLEY (1790 L'pool) marr Martha (could be McClearn but need records)These parents not proven but highly likely given daughter Martha and son Robert Robert WALMSLEY 1822 l'Pool Martha WALMSLEY 1826 L'Pool Robert (1822)marr Mary HUNTINGTON* (1828 L'pool)in 1851 St Marks L'Pool Children: Martha 1853 Robert Mollyneux 1854 - (1924 your info)marr Emily Victoria Hicks (by 1911 he is Principle of Polytechnic) Emma 1856 marr John Alfred HUNTINGTON (1856) in 1882 Lewisham London Thomas Huntington 1857 Mary 1859 William H 1861 Annie 1863 Amie 1868 Bessie 1870 Katie 1872 I only have one Amie/Amy and she is daughter of Robert Mollyneux. In 1911 I have: 1911 Census, WALMSLEY, Amy, BEDFORD, Bedfordshire Reference RG14PN8873 RG78PN467 RD174 SD5 ED8 SN328 Headmistress of Kindergate College sister Kate with her Teacher of Music *I think Mary HUNTINGTON 1828 is daughter of Thomas HUNTINGTON (1795 West Kirby) and Martha MOLLYNEUX 1797 Wallasey) (hence naming patterns but need to prove it) Hope this helps Pam "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a good looking and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, shouting - Wow! What a ride!" -----Original Message----- From: eng-merseyside-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-merseyside-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Preulet@aol.com Sent: 25 October 2010 8:12 AM To: ENG-MERSEYSIDE@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] WALMSLEY of Liverpool Hi Is anyone researching Walmsley of Liverpool? specifically WALMSLEY, Robert Mullineux bap 31 May 1854 Walton, Liverpool, Lancashire d.15 Jun 1924 Royal Northern Hosp, Holloway, Middlesex, England Married HICKS, Emily Victoria according to his Probate left an Inheritance to Amy WALMSLEY spinster who I assume is his daughter. If anyone can tell me anything about Amy I would appreciate it also, the name of 1st wife for Robert's son: WALMSLEY, John Mullineux b. 25 Jan 1900 Islington, Greater London, London, Middlesex d. 17 Jun 1982 Grosse Pte Farms, Wayne, Michigan All I have from travel records is her initials being H.G. or H. E. Thank you Regards Eleanor ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Eleanor wrote: <<Is anyone researching Walmsley of Liverpool? specifically WALMSLEY, Robert Mullineux bap 31 May 1854 Walton, Liverpool, Lancashire d.15 Jun 1924 Royal Northern Hosp, Holloway, Middlesex, England Married HICKS, Emily Victoria according to his Probate left an Inheritance to Amy WALMSLEY spinster who I assume is his daughter. If anyone can tell me anything about Amy I would appreciate it>> Here they are in the 1881: 1881 Census - 35, Limes Grove, Lewisham, London. Reg Dist. Lewisham Walmsley Family Hd. Robert M. 27 b Walton, Lancashire Teacher of Science & Math Sis. Martha 28 b 1853 " Bro. William H. 20 b 1861 " 2nd. Class Clerk Admiralty Office Sis. **Amy** 13 b 1868 W. Derby Scholar Sis. Bessie 11 b 1870 " " " Sis. Katie 9 b 1872 " " ' 1 Svt. Lots of Marriages for John, but without knowing where he married it would be quite a project, at least Amy is now found. Meg

Hi Meg Thanks for your response and help, I finally found John Mullineux Walmsley's wife in a New York database that I use so infrequently that I forgot about it. Some days I'm braindead :-( As for Amy, it didn't occur to me to look at his sister (until your post) for the simple reason that I thought she died long before probate but perhaps my death on her is incorrect so I'll look further for her. I really thought Amy was the sister to Mary Millicent WALMSLEY spinster and daughter mentioned in Probate which I couldn't/can't prove. I probably will wind up buying the will just to find out who Amy is. Many thanks Regards Eleanor In a message dated 10/25/2010 6:20:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, farcons@comcast.net writes: Eleanor wrote: <<Is anyone researching Walmsley of Liverpool? specifically WALMSLEY, Robert Mullineux bap 31 May 1854 Walton, Liverpool, Lancashire d.15 Jun 1924 Royal Northern Hosp, Holloway, Middlesex, England Married HICKS, Emily Victoria according to his Probate left an Inheritance to Amy WALMSLEY spinster who I assume is his daughter. If anyone can tell me anything about Amy I would appreciate it>> Here they are in the 1881: 1881 Census - 35, Limes Grove, Lewisham, London. Reg Dist. Lewisham Walmsley Family Hd. Robert M. 27 b Walton, Lancashire Teacher of Science & Math Sis. Martha 28 b 1853 " Bro. William H. 20 b 1861 " 2nd. Class Clerk Admiralty Office Sis. **Amy** 13 b 1868 W. Derby Scholar Sis. Bessie 11 b 1870 " " " Sis. Katie 9 b 1872 " " ' 1 Svt. Lots of Marriages for John, but without knowing where he married it would be quite a project, at least Amy is now found. Meg ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Is anyone researching Walmsley of Liverpool? specifically WALMSLEY, Robert Mullineux bap 31 May 1854 Walton, Liverpool, Lancashire d.15 Jun 1924 Royal Northern Hosp, Holloway, Middlesex, England Married HICKS, Emily Victoria according to his Probate left an Inheritance to Amy WALMSLEY spinster who I assume is his daughter. If anyone can tell me anything about Amy I would appreciate it also, the name of 1st wife for Robert's son: WALMSLEY, John Mullineux b. 25 Jan 1900 Islington, Greater London, London, Middlesex d. 17 Jun 1982 Grosse Pte Farms, Wayne, Michigan All I have from travel records is her initials being H.G. or H. E. Thank you Regards Eleanor

Looking for further info or any advice where I could search for John Youds sen. of Liverpool, who was a chandler and slave trader in Bahia, Brazil, he died there in 1833. Also his sons James (1805-1858)who mostly lived in Liverpool and John, b. 1826 in Bahia, who worked for a Belgian company Gantois & Paillet, ship chandlers of Bahia, who operated a fleet of ships trading between Brazil and West Africa and were involved in the slave trade. http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&d... kind regards Karl L Held

Hi there, I'm new to this list. Can anyone do a look up for me of a Memorial Inscription of the following? Edward Edwards buried 11 Mar 1878 aged 52 railway servant of 53 Dorothy Street West Derby in the unconsecrated section of Toxteth Park Cemetery Section N Grave number 321 Thanks in advance, he was my 2x great-grandfather, best wishes Marian ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email

Hi Gordon and thank you I just new you would come up with an answer I,ll send this over to Margaret and see what she says Cheers George --- On Sun, 17/10/10, Gordon Evans <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> wrote: From: Gordon Evans <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Fw: RE: Trevaskiss To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, 17 October, 2010, 0:48 Hi George Thanks for posting Margaret Berry's response to your recent enquiry. I of course appreciate & respect everything Margaret has said, but would like to comment as follows. Ancestry has a marriage :- 22 September 1836 St Thomas, Southwark, Surrey James GILBERTSON, and Sarah Esther POPLAR Followed by these Census entries :- 1841 Guys Hospital, London James GILBERTSON, 50, labourer, S (born in Scotland) Sarah, 50, S (born in Scotland) Sarah POPLAR, 14, S (born in Scotland) 1851 Guys Hospital, London James GILBERTSON, 60, labourer & Chelsea Pensioner, born Shetland Sarah, wife, 60, born Shetland Elizabeth POPLAR, niece, U, 32, servant, born Shetland Elizabeth YOUNG, niece, 2, born Southwark, Surrey The indications being that Elizabeth YOUNG was the daughter of Elizabeth TREVASKISS (b1813 Woolwich) and James YOUNG who married on 8 April 1848 in Southwark St Thomas. Elizabeth TREVASKISS being a daughter of Esther POPLAR, born c1786 in Scotland? Best regards Gordon From: "GEORGE HIGHTON" <george.highton@btinternet.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 9:24 AM Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Fw: RE: Trevaskiss >Hi Gordon ,Walter and anyone interested in the Trevaskiss saga >I wrote to Margaret Berry re-the Maiden name of Esther Trevaskiss >Here is Margaret’s reply: > >Hi George, >Yes I remember the Trevaskiss research we did while you were here in >February. I also >remember your showing me that information about Sarah Ann >Trevaskiss giving the information at the time of her second marriage >indicating her mother’s maiden name was Poplar. We looked at Black’s >Surnames of Scotland (a standard work for Scottish research), and there was >no >entry there for the surname Poplar. We also went through the entire >website of Scotlands People covering 1500-1950, with not even one entry >for the surname of Poplar. So we decided it couldn’t be right, that >perhaps Sarah Ann was remember Poplar as a place and confusing it with >a >surname. >Interestingly the only entries for Esther Poplar on the IGI (and there are >three) are either in Stepney or Bethnal Green which are, of course, very >close to the parish of Poplar in the East End of London. >I still feel that the Boyn connection fits although, as I told you in >February, we can’t actually >prove it. >Best regards, >Margaret ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi George Thanks for posting Margaret Berry's response to your recent enquiry. I of course appreciate & respect everything Margaret has said, but would like to comment as follows. Ancestry has a marriage :- 22 September 1836 St Thomas, Southwark, Surrey James GILBERTSON, and Sarah Esther POPLAR Followed by these Census entries :- 1841 Guys Hospital, London James GILBERTSON, 50, labourer, S (born in Scotland) Sarah, 50, S (born in Scotland) Sarah POPLAR, 14, S (born in Scotland) 1851 Guys Hospital, London James GILBERTSON, 60, labourer & Chelsea Pensioner, born Shetland Sarah, wife, 60, born Shetland Elizabeth POPLAR, niece, U, 32, servant, born Shetland Elizabeth YOUNG, niece, 2, born Southwark, Surrey The indications being that Elizabeth YOUNG was the daughter of Elizabeth TREVASKISS (b1813 Woolwich) and James YOUNG who married on 8 April 1848 in Southwark St Thomas. Elizabeth TREVASKISS being a daughter of Esther POPLAR, born c1786 in Scotland? Best regards Gordon From: "GEORGE HIGHTON" <george.highton@btinternet.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 9:24 AM Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Fw: RE: Trevaskiss >Hi Gordon ,Walter and anyone interested in the Trevaskiss saga >I wrote to Margaret Berry re-the Maiden name of Esther Trevaskiss >Here is Margaret’s reply: > >Hi George, >Yes I remember the Trevaskiss research we did while you were here in >February. I also >remember your showing me that information about Sarah Ann >Trevaskiss giving the information at the time of her second marriage >indicating her mother’s maiden name was Poplar. We looked at Black’s >Surnames of Scotland (a standard work for Scottish research), and there was >no >entry there for the surname Poplar. We also went through the entire >website of Scotlands People covering 1500-1950, with not even one entry >for the surname of Poplar. So we decided it couldn’t be right, that >perhaps Sarah Ann was remember Poplar as a place and confusing it with >a >surname. >Interestingly the only entries for Esther Poplar on the IGI (and there are >three) are either in Stepney or Bethnal Green which are, of course, very >close to the parish of Poplar in the East End of London. >I still feel that the Boyn connection fits although, as I told you in >February, we can’t actually >prove it. >Best regards, >Margaret

Hi Walter So sorry to hear of your on-going problems, both health-wise and pc-related. :-( My 'new info' basically comprises twelve attachments concerning the family of Liverpool-born artist Hugh (Warren)'s uncle Henry WILLIAMS (b1829 Holyhead) who emigrated to Pennsylvania USA in 1873, but also includes details of Hugh (Warren)'s ancestry, commencing with a marriage in Holyhead on 19 November 1738. The attachments would probably be too much for your wife's steam-powered 'pack of cards' to cope with, so will send piece-meal off-list. Best wishes Gordon From: "Walter Jones" <alsrecs@btopenworld.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Hugh (Warren) WILLIAMS (b1860 Liverpool) Hello list, particularly Gordon, I'll need to keep this a bit short for now, as my own PC is not loading Windows properly, and I can't get on the I'net with it. This one I'm using is my Good ladies " Pack of Cards " and is Steam powered, it takes forever to do anything. Gordon, I get your mails OK but just can't get to answer them as quick as I should or would like, the main reason is because of what I was told at a Hospital Consultation last Wednesday, not really very good news, more later. Hugh WILLIAMS was born at 109, MANN ST. as plain Hugh, Hugh I was told by an Artist I was talking to in Llandudno in March 2009, who knew the family, that when he got himself established, he changed his signature and name to Warren Williams, but didn't know where the Warren actually came from. I'll have to leave it there for now, (this has taken about 40 mins to do), but, I should very much appreciate a copy of your new Info:-Thanks for all you've done up to now, absolutely great, write more later. Regards to everyone, Walter.

Hi Gordon ,Walter and anyone interested in the Trevaskiss saga I wrote to Margaret Berry re-the Maiden name of Esther  Trevaskiss Here is Margaret’s reply:     Hi George,  Yes I remember the Trevaskiss research we did while you were here in February.  I also remember your showing me that information about Sarah Ann Trevaskiss giving the information at the time of her second marriage indicating her mother’s maiden name was Poplar.  We looked at Black’s Surnames of Scotland (a standard work for Scottish research), and there was no entry there for the surname Poplar.  We also went through the entire website of Scotlands People covering 1500-1950, with not even one entry for the surname of Poplar.  So we decided it couldn’t be right, that perhaps Sarah Ann was remember Poplar as a place and confusing it with a surname.    Interestingly the only entries for Esther Poplar on the IGI (and there are three) are either in Stepney or Bethnal Green which are, of course, very close to the parish of Poplar in the East End of London.  I still feel that the Boyn connection fits although, as I told you in February, we can’t actually prove it.  Best regards,  Margaret     . From: GEORGE HIGHTON [mailto:george.highton@btinternet.com] Sent: 04 October 2010 12:13 PM To: Keith at Ancestor Seekers Subject: Re: Thank You For Attending   Hi Keith remember me from Feb.2010 I hope to be able to return in 2011   While I was there in Feb. I recieved wonderfull help from Margaret Berry  with my Trevaskiss line from Devon & Cornwall I was specificaly looking for ESTHER b.Scotland re 1841 census the Wife of JOHN TREVASKISS b.c.1785 in Plymouth dock ( now Devonport ) Margaret thought that Esthers maiden name was BOYN from the middle name of her son William Boyn Trevaskiss b. London 1818 she traced the Boyn family back to Aberdeen and assured me that was so, as 4 of the Boyn family christian names in Scotland reoccured in Esthers family (Esthers reputed father beeing William Boyn )and further she found that an unknown Female child was born into the Boyn family at about the time of Esthers birth  (we assumed that the child was sickly and was christened without a name but subsequently recovered ) since that time I have discovered with further research that Sarah Ann Trevaskiss b.Liverpool 1834 m. Sherman Church in Lpool 1853 and had a second Marriage in New York 1870  Sarah Ann Trevaskiss Church gave her Mothers Maiden name as Poplar (Is it the custom to give mothers maiden name in U.S.A. ) Sorry to be so long winded but you can see my Predicament and I would Appreciate Margarets expertise on both names   P.S. plenty of Boyn,s in Scotland no sign of Poplars there and a Sarah Poplar was witness to Elizabeth Trevaskiss weding in London 1848   can you send this e-mail to Margaret to see if she can unravel it   Kind Regards  George  

Hello Walter, I'm sorry you're not well. Gordon keeps this list alive in lots of ways, doesn't he? Marged Hello list, particularly Gordon, I'll need to keep this a bit short for now, as my own PC is not loading Windows properly, and I can't get on the I'net with it. This one I'm using is my Good ladies " Pack of Cards " and is Steam powered, it takes forever to do anything. Gordon, I get your mails OK but just can't get to answer them as quick as I should or would like, the main reason is because of what I was told at a Hospital Consultation last Wednesday, not really very good news, more later. Hugh WILLIAMS was born at 109, MANN ST. as plain Hugh, Hugh I was told by an Artist I was talking to in Llandudno in March 2009, who knew the family, that when he got himself established, he changed his signature and name to Warren Williams, but didn't know where the Warren actually came from. I'll have to leave it there for now, (this has taken about 40 mins to do), but, I should very much appreciate a copy of your new Info:-Thanks for all you've done up to now, absolutely great, write more later. Regards to everyone, Walter. --- On Wed, 13/10/10, Gordon Evans <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> wrote: > From: Gordon Evans <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Hugh (Warren) WILLIAMS (b1860 Liverpool) > To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com > Date: Wednesday, 13 October, 2010, 22:44 > Hi > > Just to say that I've received a wonderful response to this > post on another > list, which I can copy to anyone with a sufficiently close > family interest? > > Regards > Gordon > > From: "Gordon Evans" <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> > To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 8:49 PM > Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Hugh (Warren) WILLIAMS (b1860 > Liverpool) > > >Hi all (especially Walter Jones in Scotland) > > > >Further to my post last week I've now received a copy > certificate for the > >marriage of artist Warren WILLIAMS' parents, > which reads thus :- > > > >St John the Baptist, Toxteth > >5 May 1857 > >John WILLIAMS, 30, bachelor, mariner, residence > Wellington Road, father > >Hugh > >WILLIAMS, farmer, and > >Elizabeth DAVIES, 30, widow, residence Bedford Street, > father David LLOYD, > >wheelwright. > >[Both bride & groom signed the register. > >Witnesses were Donald McKNIGHT and Margaret SHARPLES]. > > > >THIS, then, would appear to be John with his parents > and siblings six years > >earlier :- > > > >1851 Wales Census > >Bodwaren, Holyhead > >Hugh WILLIAMS, 65, farmer of 82 acres, AGY Holyhead > >Dorothy, wife, 56, CAE Llanllyfni > >Hugh, son, U, 33, farmer's son, AGY Holyhead > >John, son, U, 24, sailor, AGY Holyhead > >Henry, son, U, 22, smith, AGY Holyhead > >Richard, son, 12, AGY Holyhead > > > >The Holyhead St Cybi parish registers have the > following baptisms for > >children of Hugh & Dorothy WILLIAMS, farmer, of > Bodwaren, Holyhead :- > > > >1813 (7 June) Margaret > >1815 (23 July) William > >1818 (5 Dec) Hugh > >1821 (6 Jan) Emma > >1825 (27 Mar) Elizabeth > >1827 (1 July) John > > > >Crosby lightship seaman John WILLIAMS (from the 1861 > England Census) named > >his only son HUGH and only daughter Harriet Dorothy. > > > >So the inspiration for Liverpool-born artist Hugh's > 'professional' name of > >Warren WILLIAMS looks to have been the name of his > grandparents' farm in > >Holyhead? > > > >PS. Can send a scan of the 1857 marriage certificate to > anyone sufficiently > >interested. > > > >Regards > >Gordon > > > > From: "Gordon Evans" <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> > > To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:10 PM > > Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Hugh (Warren) WILLIAMS > (b1860 Liverpool) > > > >>It's just occurred to me that I should perhaps have > included a copy to the > >>Merseyside list when posting a message to the > Anglesey and Caernavonshire > >>lists earlier this evening (see below). > >>Regards > >>Gordon > > > > Hi > > > > I'm trying to determine the ancestry of British > painter Warren WILLIAMS, > > described here :- > > > > http://www.benards-gallery.co.uk/biography/warren_williams.pdf > > > > Samples of whose work can be seen at :- > > > > http://www.baronfineart.com/Gallery/warren_williams.htm > > > > And gravestone here :- > > > > http://www.findonvillage.com/0986_cissbury_ring_mystery_with_warren_williams.htm > > > > He married my first cousin twice removed Cicely JONES > (b1869 New Brighton) > > on 17 February 1892 in Bidston St Oswald (Cheshire) > and had six surviving > > WILLIAMS children :- > > > > 1893 Hubert Warren (b Liscard) > > 1894 Nesta Dorothy Warren (b New Brighton) > > 1897 Geoffrey Warren (b New Brighton) > > 1900 Ileene Cicily Warren (b AGY Cemaes) > > 1903 Eric Warren (b AGY Moelfre) > > 1905 Doreen Warren (b CAE Conway) > > > > Despite what it says in his above biography I believe > him to have been > > born > > plain Hugh WILLIAMS in 1860 in Liverpool, this being > him with both parents > > and half-sibling Elizabeth DAVIES :- > > > > 1861 Census > > 109 Mann Street, Toxteth, Liverpool > > John WILLIAMS, 33, seaman in Crosby lightship, AGY > Holyhead > > Elizabeth, wife, 38, DEN Wrexham > > Elizabeth, daur, 7, LAN Liverpool > > Hugh, 5 months, LAN Liverpool > > Elizabeth LLOYD, servant, U, 21, DEN Wrexham > > > > Hugh's mother is believed to have been an Elizabeth > LLOYD, born c1822 in > > Wrexham, who married a Robert DAVIES in 1852 in > Liverpool St Phillip but > > was > > widowed by the time she married John WILLIAMS five > years later in Toxteth > > St > > John the Baptist. > > John WILLIAMS died in Toxteth on 15 March 1869 at the > early age of 41, > > his occupation being given as officer on board the > Mersey Buoy Tender. > > > > One strong possibility for John with his earlier > family is :- > > > > 1851 Census > > Forge Hill, Holyhead > > William WILLIAMS, 49, boatman, Holyhead > > Ellinor, wife, 48, Holyhead > > John, son, U, 21, Holyhead [no occupation shown] > > Jane, daur, 17, Holyhead > > William, son, 9, Holyhead > > > > Wondered if anyone on the list might have access to > early Holyhead > > registers > > and might be able to identify John's baptism > c1827-1830? > > And maybe also his parents' marriage, which ideally > would identify his > > mother as Ellinor WARREN, thus explaining artist > grandson Hugh's apparent > > fascination with this name? > > > > Gordon Evans > > Wirral UK > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. 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Hello list, particularly Gordon,                         I'll need to keep this a bit short for now, as my own PC is not loading Windows properly, and I can't get on the I'net with it.  This one I'm using is my Good ladies " Pack of Cards " and is Steam powered, it takes forever to do anything.             Gordon, I get your mails OK but just can't get to answer them as quick as I should or would like, the main reason is because of what I was told at a Hospital Consultation last Wednesday, not really very good news, more later.                 Hugh WILLIAMS was born at 109, MANN ST. as plain Hugh, Hugh I was told by an Artist I was talking to in Llandudno in March 2009, who knew the family, that when he got himself established, he changed his signature and name to Warren Williams, but didn't know where the Warren actually came from. I'll have to leave it there for now, (this has taken about 40 mins to do), but, I should very much appreciate a copy of your new Info:-Thanks for all you've done up to now, absolutely great, write more later. Regards to everyone, Walter.     --- On Wed, 13/10/10, Gordon Evans <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> wrote: > From: Gordon Evans <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Hugh (Warren) WILLIAMS (b1860 Liverpool) > To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com > Date: Wednesday, 13 October, 2010, 22:44 > Hi > > Just to say that I've received a wonderful response to this > post on another > list, which I can copy to anyone with a sufficiently close > family interest? > > Regards > Gordon > > From: "Gordon Evans" <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> > To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 8:49 PM > Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Hugh (Warren) WILLIAMS (b1860 > Liverpool) > > >Hi all (especially Walter Jones in Scotland) > > > >Further to my post last week I've now received a copy > certificate for the > >marriage of  artist Warren WILLIAMS' parents, > which reads thus :- > > > >St John the Baptist, Toxteth > >5 May 1857 > >John WILLIAMS, 30, bachelor, mariner, residence > Wellington Road, father > >Hugh > >WILLIAMS, farmer, and > >Elizabeth DAVIES, 30, widow, residence Bedford Street, > father David LLOYD, > >wheelwright. > >[Both bride & groom signed the register. > >Witnesses were Donald McKNIGHT and Margaret SHARPLES]. > > > >THIS, then, would appear to be John with his parents > and siblings six years > >earlier :- > > > >1851 Wales Census > >Bodwaren, Holyhead > >Hugh WILLIAMS, 65, farmer of 82 acres, AGY Holyhead > >Dorothy, wife, 56, CAE Llanllyfni > >Hugh, son, U, 33, farmer's son, AGY Holyhead > >John, son, U, 24, sailor, AGY Holyhead > >Henry, son, U, 22, smith, AGY Holyhead > >Richard, son, 12, AGY Holyhead > > > >The Holyhead St Cybi parish registers have the > following baptisms for > >children of Hugh & Dorothy WILLIAMS, farmer, of > Bodwaren, Holyhead :- > > > >1813 (7 June)    Margaret > >1815 (23 July)   William > >1818 (5 Dec)     Hugh > >1821 (6 Jan)      Emma > >1825 (27 Mar)   Elizabeth > >1827 (1 July)      John > > > >Crosby lightship seaman John WILLIAMS (from the 1861 > England Census) named > >his only son HUGH and only daughter Harriet Dorothy. > > > >So the inspiration for Liverpool-born artist Hugh's > 'professional' name of > >Warren WILLIAMS looks to have been the name of his > grandparents' farm in > >Holyhead? > > > >PS. Can send a scan of the 1857 marriage certificate to > anyone sufficiently > >interested. > > > >Regards > >Gordon > > > > From: "Gordon Evans" <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> > > To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:10 PM > > Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Hugh (Warren) WILLIAMS > (b1860 Liverpool) > > > >>It's just occurred to me that I should perhaps have > included a copy to the > >>Merseyside list when posting a message to the > Anglesey and Caernavonshire > >>lists earlier this evening (see below). > >>Regards > >>Gordon > > > > Hi > > > > I'm trying to determine the ancestry of British > painter Warren WILLIAMS, > > described here :- > > > > http://www.benards-gallery.co.uk/biography/warren_williams.pdf > > > > Samples of whose work can be seen at :- > > > > http://www.baronfineart.com/Gallery/warren_williams.htm > > > > And gravestone here :- > > > > http://www.findonvillage.com/0986_cissbury_ring_mystery_with_warren_williams.htm > > > > He married my first cousin twice removed Cicely JONES > (b1869 New Brighton) > > on 17 February 1892 in Bidston St Oswald (Cheshire) > and had six surviving > > WILLIAMS children :- > > > > 1893  Hubert Warren (b Liscard) > > 1894  Nesta Dorothy Warren (b New Brighton) > > 1897  Geoffrey Warren (b New Brighton) > > 1900  Ileene Cicily Warren (b AGY Cemaes) > > 1903  Eric Warren (b AGY Moelfre) > > 1905  Doreen Warren (b CAE Conway) > > > > Despite what it says in his above biography I believe > him to have been > > born > > plain Hugh WILLIAMS in 1860 in Liverpool, this being > him with both parents > > and half-sibling Elizabeth DAVIES :- > > > > 1861 Census > > 109 Mann Street, Toxteth, Liverpool > > John WILLIAMS, 33, seaman in Crosby lightship, AGY > Holyhead > > Elizabeth, wife, 38, DEN Wrexham > > Elizabeth, daur, 7, LAN Liverpool > > Hugh, 5 months, LAN Liverpool > > Elizabeth LLOYD, servant, U, 21, DEN Wrexham > > > > Hugh's mother is believed to have been an Elizabeth > LLOYD, born c1822 in > > Wrexham, who married a Robert DAVIES in 1852 in > Liverpool St Phillip but > > was > > widowed by the time she married John WILLIAMS five > years later in Toxteth > > St > > John the Baptist. > > John WILLIAMS died in Toxteth on 15 March 1869 at the > early age of 41, > > his occupation being given as officer on board the > Mersey Buoy Tender. > > > > One strong possibility for John with his earlier > family is :- > > > > 1851 Census > > Forge Hill, Holyhead > > William WILLIAMS, 49, boatman, Holyhead > > Ellinor, wife, 48, Holyhead > > John, son, U, 21, Holyhead [no occupation shown] > > Jane, daur, 17, Holyhead > > William, son, 9, Holyhead > > > > Wondered if anyone on the list might have access to > early Holyhead > > registers > > and might be able to identify John's baptism > c1827-1830? > > And maybe also his parents' marriage, which ideally > would identify his > > mother as Ellinor WARREN, thus explaining artist > grandson Hugh's apparent > > fascination with this name? > > > > Gordon Evans > > Wirral UK > >  > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

Hi Just to say that I've received a wonderful response to this post on another list, which I can copy to anyone with a sufficiently close family interest? Regards Gordon From: "Gordon Evans" <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 8:49 PM Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Hugh (Warren) WILLIAMS (b1860 Liverpool) >Hi all (especially Walter Jones in Scotland) > >Further to my post last week I've now received a copy certificate for the >marriage of artist Warren WILLIAMS' parents, which reads thus :- > >St John the Baptist, Toxteth >5 May 1857 >John WILLIAMS, 30, bachelor, mariner, residence Wellington Road, father >Hugh >WILLIAMS, farmer, and >Elizabeth DAVIES, 30, widow, residence Bedford Street, father David LLOYD, >wheelwright. >[Both bride & groom signed the register. >Witnesses were Donald McKNIGHT and Margaret SHARPLES]. > >THIS, then, would appear to be John with his parents and siblings six years >earlier :- > >1851 Wales Census >Bodwaren, Holyhead >Hugh WILLIAMS, 65, farmer of 82 acres, AGY Holyhead >Dorothy, wife, 56, CAE Llanllyfni >Hugh, son, U, 33, farmer's son, AGY Holyhead >John, son, U, 24, sailor, AGY Holyhead >Henry, son, U, 22, smith, AGY Holyhead >Richard, son, 12, AGY Holyhead > >The Holyhead St Cybi parish registers have the following baptisms for >children of Hugh & Dorothy WILLIAMS, farmer, of Bodwaren, Holyhead :- > >1813 (7 June) Margaret >1815 (23 July) William >1818 (5 Dec) Hugh >1821 (6 Jan) Emma >1825 (27 Mar) Elizabeth >1827 (1 July) John > >Crosby lightship seaman John WILLIAMS (from the 1861 England Census) named >his only son HUGH and only daughter Harriet Dorothy. > >So the inspiration for Liverpool-born artist Hugh's 'professional' name of >Warren WILLIAMS looks to have been the name of his grandparents' farm in >Holyhead? > >PS. Can send a scan of the 1857 marriage certificate to anyone sufficiently >interested. > >Regards >Gordon > > From: "Gordon Evans" <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> > To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:10 PM > Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Hugh (Warren) WILLIAMS (b1860 Liverpool) > >>It's just occurred to me that I should perhaps have included a copy to the >>Merseyside list when posting a message to the Anglesey and Caernavonshire >>lists earlier this evening (see below). >>Regards >>Gordon > > Hi > > I'm trying to determine the ancestry of British painter Warren WILLIAMS, > described here :- > > http://www.benards-gallery.co.uk/biography/warren_williams.pdf > > Samples of whose work can be seen at :- > > http://www.baronfineart.com/Gallery/warren_williams.htm > > And gravestone here :- > > http://www.findonvillage.com/0986_cissbury_ring_mystery_with_warren_williams.htm > > He married my first cousin twice removed Cicely JONES (b1869 New Brighton) > on 17 February 1892 in Bidston St Oswald (Cheshire) and had six surviving > WILLIAMS children :- > > 1893 Hubert Warren (b Liscard) > 1894 Nesta Dorothy Warren (b New Brighton) > 1897 Geoffrey Warren (b New Brighton) > 1900 Ileene Cicily Warren (b AGY Cemaes) > 1903 Eric Warren (b AGY Moelfre) > 1905 Doreen Warren (b CAE Conway) > > Despite what it says in his above biography I believe him to have been > born > plain Hugh WILLIAMS in 1860 in Liverpool, this being him with both parents > and half-sibling Elizabeth DAVIES :- > > 1861 Census > 109 Mann Street, Toxteth, Liverpool > John WILLIAMS, 33, seaman in Crosby lightship, AGY Holyhead > Elizabeth, wife, 38, DEN Wrexham > Elizabeth, daur, 7, LAN Liverpool > Hugh, 5 months, LAN Liverpool > Elizabeth LLOYD, servant, U, 21, DEN Wrexham > > Hugh's mother is believed to have been an Elizabeth LLOYD, born c1822 in > Wrexham, who married a Robert DAVIES in 1852 in Liverpool St Phillip but > was > widowed by the time she married John WILLIAMS five years later in Toxteth > St > John the Baptist. > John WILLIAMS died in Toxteth on 15 March 1869 at the early age of 41, > his occupation being given as officer on board the Mersey Buoy Tender. > > One strong possibility for John with his earlier family is :- > > 1851 Census > Forge Hill, Holyhead > William WILLIAMS, 49, boatman, Holyhead > Ellinor, wife, 48, Holyhead > John, son, U, 21, Holyhead [no occupation shown] > Jane, daur, 17, Holyhead > William, son, 9, Holyhead > > Wondered if anyone on the list might have access to early Holyhead > registers > and might be able to identify John's baptism c1827-1830? > And maybe also his parents' marriage, which ideally would identify his > mother as Ellinor WARREN, thus explaining artist grandson Hugh's apparent > fascination with this name? > > Gordon Evans > Wirral UK

Hi Walter You wrote to me privately a fortnight ago :- >I have a Great Aunt, Cicely JONES (b1869 New Brighton) who (M) a Hugh >Warren WILLIAMS (b1860 Liverpool). He was a well known Artist in his >day, and for a long time I've tried to pin down just where and when he >was born etc :- (Got his B Cert. earlier this year). Wondered if you could perhaps give a few details from the birth certificate - in particular whether he was registered as Hugh Warren, or just plain Hugh? PS. Note my offer concerning his parents' marriage certificate in the post below my signature. Regards Gordon From: "Gordon Evans" <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 8:49 PM Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Hugh (Warren) WILLIAMS (b1860 Liverpool) > Hi all (especially Walter Jones in Scotland) > > Further to my post last week I've now received a copy certificate for the > marriage of artist Warren WILLIAMS' parents, which reads thus :- > > St John the Baptist, Toxteth > 5 May 1857 > John WILLIAMS, 30, bachelor, mariner, residence Wellington Road, father > Hugh > WILLIAMS, farmer, and > Elizabeth DAVIES, 30, widow, residence Bedford Street, father David LLOYD, > wheelwright. > [Both bride & groom signed the register. > Witnesses were Donald McKNIGHT and Margaret SHARPLES]. > > THIS, then, would appear to be John with his parents and siblings six > years > earlier :- > > 1851 Wales Census > Bodwaren, Holyhead > Hugh WILLIAMS, 65, farmer of 82 acres, AGY Holyhead > Dorothy, wife, 56, CAE Llanllyfni > Hugh, son, U, 33, farmer's son, AGY Holyhead > John, son, U, 24, sailor, AGY Holyhead > Henry, son, U, 22, smith, AGY Holyhead > Richard, son, 12, AGY Holyhead > > The Holyhead St Cybi parish registers have the following baptisms for > children of Hugh & Dorothy WILLIAMS, farmer, of Bodwaren, Holyhead :- > > 1813 (7 June) Margaret > 1815 (23 July) William > 1818 (5 Dec) Hugh > 1821 (6 Jan) Emma > 1825 (27 Mar) Elizabeth > 1827 (1 July) John > > Crosby lightship seaman John WILLIAMS (from the 1861 England Census) named > his only son HUGH and only daughter Harriet Dorothy. > > So the inspiration for Liverpool-born artist Hugh's 'professional' name of > Warren WILLIAMS looks to have been the name of his grandparents' farm in > Holyhead? > > PS. Can send a scan of the 1857 marriage certificate to anyone > sufficiently > interested. > > Regards > Gordon

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Hi all (especially Walter Jones in Scotland) Further to my post last week I've now received a copy certificate for the marriage of artist Warren WILLIAMS' parents, which reads thus :- St John the Baptist, Toxteth 5 May 1857 John WILLIAMS, 30, bachelor, mariner, residence Wellington Road, father Hugh WILLIAMS, farmer, and Elizabeth DAVIES, 30, widow, residence Bedford Street, father David LLOYD, wheelwright. [Both bride & groom signed the register. Witnesses were Donald McKNIGHT and Margaret SHARPLES]. THIS, then, would appear to be John with his parents and siblings six years earlier :- 1851 Wales Census Bodwaren, Holyhead Hugh WILLIAMS, 65, farmer of 82 acres, AGY Holyhead Dorothy, wife, 56, CAE Llanllyfni Hugh, son, U, 33, farmer's son, AGY Holyhead John, son, U, 24, sailor, AGY Holyhead Henry, son, U, 22, smith, AGY Holyhead Richard, son, 12, AGY Holyhead The Holyhead St Cybi parish registers have the following baptisms for children of Hugh & Dorothy WILLIAMS, farmer, of Bodwaren, Holyhead :- 1813 (7 June) Margaret 1815 (23 July) William 1818 (5 Dec) Hugh 1821 (6 Jan) Emma 1825 (27 Mar) Elizabeth 1827 (1 July) John Crosby lightship seaman John WILLIAMS (from the 1861 England Census) named his only son HUGH and only daughter Harriet Dorothy. So the inspiration for Liverpool-born artist Hugh's 'professional' name of Warren WILLIAMS looks to have been the name of his grandparents' farm in Holyhead? PS. Can send a scan of the 1857 marriage certificate to anyone sufficiently interested. Regards Gordon From: "Gordon Evans" <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:10 PM Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Hugh (Warren) WILLIAMS (b1860 Liverpool) >It's just occurred to me that I should perhaps have included a copy to the >Merseyside list when posting a message to the Anglesey and Caernavonshire >lists earlier this evening (see below). >Regards >Gordon Hi I'm trying to determine the ancestry of British painter Warren WILLIAMS, described here :- http://www.benards-gallery.co.uk/biography/warren_williams.pdf Samples of whose work can be seen at :- http://www.baronfineart.com/Gallery/warren_williams.htm And gravestone here :- http://www.findonvillage.com/0986_cissbury_ring_mystery_with_warren_williams.htm He married my first cousin twice removed Cicely JONES (b1869 New Brighton) on 17 February 1892 in Bidston St Oswald (Cheshire) and had six surviving WILLIAMS children :- 1893 Hubert Warren (b Liscard) 1894 Nesta Dorothy Warren (b New Brighton) 1897 Geoffrey Warren (b New Brighton) 1900 Ileene Cicily Warren (b AGY Cemaes) 1903 Eric Warren (b AGY Moelfre) 1905 Doreen Warren (b CAE Conway) Despite what it says in his above biography I believe him to have been born plain Hugh WILLIAMS in 1860 in Liverpool, this being him with both parents and half-sibling Elizabeth DAVIES :- 1861 Census 109 Mann Street, Toxteth, Liverpool John WILLIAMS, 33, seaman in Crosby lightship, AGY Holyhead Elizabeth, wife, 38, DEN Wrexham Elizabeth, daur, 7, LAN Liverpool Hugh, 5 months, LAN Liverpool Elizabeth LLOYD, servant, U, 21, DEN Wrexham Hugh's mother is believed to have been an Elizabeth LLOYD, born c1822 in Wrexham, who married a Robert DAVIES in 1852 in Liverpool St Phillip but was widowed by the time she married John WILLIAMS five years later in Toxteth St John the Baptist. John WILLIAMS died in Toxteth on 15 March 1869 at the early age of 41, his occupation being given as officer on board the Mersey Buoy Tender. One strong possibility for John with his earlier family is :- 1851 Census Forge Hill, Holyhead William WILLIAMS, 49, boatman, Holyhead Ellinor, wife, 48, Holyhead John, son, U, 21, Holyhead [no occupation shown] Jane, daur, 17, Holyhead William, son, 9, Holyhead Wondered if anyone on the list might have access to early Holyhead registers and might be able to identify John's baptism c1827-1830? And maybe also his parents' marriage, which ideally would identify his mother as Ellinor WARREN, thus explaining artist grandson Hugh's apparent fascination with this name? Gordon Evans Wirral UK

That's wonderful Gordon - I'll pass your comments on to Jane, who sends me her snippets which she types up from old newspapers in her shed! Marged ----- Original Message ----- From: Gordon Evans To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com ; ENG-MERSEYSIDE Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] bmds 1856 and 1874 Thanks for posting this, Marged - was pleasantly surprised to find two of 'mine' in there :- 'Deaths 1856 Jane COOPER, aged 77, of Wallasey' Believed to be nee Jane MOORCROFT (b1778 Ormskirk) who married sailmaker George COOPER (b1782 Wallasey) on 22 December 1811 in Liverpool St Nicholas. Son Richard COOPER (b1817 Wallasey), butcher and sometime licensee of the Ship Inn in Wallasey, caused quite a scandal when he committed suicide in a cell at Liscard Bridewell on 8 December 1873. 'Marriages 1874 MUTCH/JORDAN, Jan 15th, by licence, Christ Church, Kensington, Thomas MUTCH to Miss Ann JORDAN, both of Upton, Cheshire' Didn't seem to last, though, since Thomas was back living with his MUTCH family in censuses 1891 & 1901, describing himself as single, and was widowed by 1911. Regards Gordon From: "Marged" <marged36@btinternet.com> To: "ENG-MERSEYSIDE" <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Merseychat" <Merseychat@Yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 11:01 PM Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] bmds 1856 and 1874 >On new snippets page >Please support free sites >http://www.old-merseytimes.co.uk/index.html >Jane ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.861 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3175 - Release Date: 10/03/10 19:33:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.861 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3175 - Release Date: 10/03/10 19:33:00

Thanks for posting this, Marged - was pleasantly surprised to find two of 'mine' in there :- 'Deaths 1856 Jane COOPER, aged 77, of Wallasey' Believed to be nee Jane MOORCROFT (b1778 Ormskirk) who married sailmaker George COOPER (b1782 Wallasey) on 22 December 1811 in Liverpool St Nicholas. Son Richard COOPER (b1817 Wallasey), butcher and sometime licensee of the Ship Inn in Wallasey, caused quite a scandal when he committed suicide in a cell at Liscard Bridewell on 8 December 1873. 'Marriages 1874 MUTCH/JORDAN, Jan 15th, by licence, Christ Church, Kensington, Thomas MUTCH to Miss Ann JORDAN, both of Upton, Cheshire' Didn't seem to last, though, since Thomas was back living with his MUTCH family in censuses 1891 & 1901, describing himself as single, and was widowed by 1911. Regards Gordon From: "Marged" <marged36@btinternet.com> To: "ENG-MERSEYSIDE" <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Merseychat" <Merseychat@Yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 11:01 PM Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] bmds 1856 and 1874 >On new snippets page >Please support free sites >http://www.old-merseytimes.co.uk/index.html >Jane