Hi Andy Thanks for your input. Yes, familysearch pilot is where I located the original data for the Baptism and marriage, coupled with ancestry.com & Lancashire BMD cross check. While I know seeing the actual certificate is best, I do like to cross all avenues before making the purchase a final destination since that road is very costly for a maybe, although sometimes very necessary and am hoping the Sherlock family on this board will bail me out before I need to go that route. I'm glad you agree with me that Lydia married Samuel son of Thomas & Isabella. Best Wishes Eleanor In a message dated 1/3/2011 11:32:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, andycandlish@ozemail.com.au writes: Hi Eleanor The best way to solve this would be to see the marriage certificates and check fathers name. Samuel christened 9th May 1838 is the son of Samuel & Sarah according to the Cheshire Parish record on Familysearch whilst the Samuel born Salford looks to be the son of Thomas & Isabella.. Whilst Thomas isn't at home with Isabella on the 1851 census he is in 1861. I would say that the Samuel who married Lydia is the son of Thomas & Isabella. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: <Preulet@aol.com> To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 2:32 PM Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] calling all Sherlock"s > Hi Folks > > I'm having a dispute: > > I believe Samuel Sherlock baptized May 09, 1838 St. Catherine, Tranmere, > Cheshire, England > son of Sarah Davenport is married to Ann Jane Riley on February 28, 1859 > in Liverpool although I can't find a census for 1861 & forward for this > couple. Maybe they emigrated > > My cousin thinks he is married to Lydia Eddowes - I disagree with this > marriage dated Jul 21 1859 because The Samuel Sherlock married to Lydia > shows on all censuses as born in Salford, Lancashire and therefore is the > son > of Isabella > > Who is right? > > Thanks & Happy New Year > Eleanor > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Folks I'm having a dispute: I believe Samuel Sherlock baptized May 09, 1838 St. Catherine, Tranmere, Cheshire, England son of Sarah Davenport is married to Ann Jane Riley on February 28, 1859 in Liverpool although I can't find a census for 1861 & forward for this couple. Maybe they emigrated My cousin thinks he is married to Lydia Eddowes - I disagree with this marriage dated Jul 21 1859 because The Samuel Sherlock married to Lydia shows on all censuses as born in Salford, Lancashire and therefore is the son of Isabella Who is right? Thanks & Happy New Year Eleanor

Hi I would enjoy that as I could not get up on the day as I originally intended. We had a house move or rather our son and it was a bit hectic three homes into one - flat in Manchester, rented flat in Bristol and stuff in our house in Berkshire all into new home in Bristol over that Monday - Wednesday. Keep me posted of any future meetings and lets hope I am not on holiday. Pam "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a good looking and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, shouting - Wow! What a ride!" -----Original Message----- From: eng-merseyside-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-merseyside-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michael Pearce Sent: 23 December 2010 9:01 AM To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Hoylake Lifeboat memorial Hi folks, A big hello to all those who braved the cold weather yesterday to attend the Hoylake lifeboat Memorial service. It was good to meet other distant rellies and share stories. We shall be meeting up again in the warmer weather to do a photo day, as many people were very cold and we did'nt get round to doing it yesterday. The manager at the lifeboat station has kindly offered to host our little gathering and provide food too. As we discussed, it would be a fitting tribute to the memory of these brave souls lost in 1810 to keep in touch, as the story of their bravery went unoticed for so long, it would only be right to keep the spirit of their bravery in our minds, and continue to make us aware of the amazing jobs all lifeboat crews past and present do, and give them the respect and honour they too rightly deserve. Just remains to wish all your cherished family and friends the best for Christmas, and remember all the emergency folk who will be working or on-call over this time... Best Wishes Jess Pearce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A few more additions to the data-base of interest to Merseyside listers. Go to :- http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/index.html and click on 'What's New' in the list on the left. Happy New Year Gordon

Ricky Cooper wrote on this list in May 2007 (see below) :- >I also have a picture of "Turk" Armitage taken with the lifeboat crew >before Thomas Dodd's funeral in 1916. Anyone with this man in their family tree might be interested to know of a remarkable co-incidence I happened to stumble acrosss whilst transcribing one the Anglesey East Marriage Registers erlier today. The 'Turk' in Ricky's photograph is believed to be Hoylake fisherman Joshua ARMITAGE (b1860 Hoose), who married Ann Eliza JOB from Caernarvon in 1882 and had four children born in Hoylake plus one (Daniel) born 1891 in Rhostryfan, Caernarvonshire. Daniel ARMITAGE married firstly Amelia May BECK (b1890 Hoose) in 1917 in Hoylake Holy Trinity, and after her untimely death in 1923 re-married Evelyn THYNNE (otherwise GABRIEL) in 1928 in Liverpool. This second marriage patently didn't work out, since the entry I found today reads :- 11 August 1941 Register Office, Llangefni, Anglesey Daniel ARMITAGE, age 49, the divorced husband of Evelyn ARMITAGE formerly THYNNE, occupation able seaman war department, residence 45 High Street, Menai Bridge, Llandysilio, father Joshua ARMITAGE, fisherman (retired), and Eva TURK, age 34, spinster, residence 45 High Street, Menai Bridge, Llandysilio, father Walter TURK, occupation railway goods guard. D'you suppose Daniel's choice for his third wife was at all influenced by his father's nickname? Regards Gordon From: Rcc1934@aol.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Hoylake Lifeboat Mystery Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 12:14:07 EDT Hi Von, I have a picture of Thomas Dodd, taken on Hoylake beach during the winter of 1897. He would have been about 37 years old. Unfortunately he has a full black beard, which makes it difficult to compare him with the oil painting. I also have a picture of "Turk" Armitage taken with the lifeboat crew before Thomas Dodd's funeral in 1916. The picture I have of John Bird is so indistinct - it cannot be considered. This picture must be before John's retirement in 1890. For my money, I would say the painting is that of Thomas Dodd. In 1902 as Coxwain he was presented with the RNLI silver medal, he also accepted a diploma on behalf of his crew from the Imperial Russian Lifeboat Society. If the picture is dated 1902, it would point to Thomas Dodd. Ricky Cooper.

Hello Dorothy It so happens that I have three Pendleton-born SHERLOCKs in my own family tree, these being children of Neston-born coal-miner Joseph SHERLOCK and his wife Sarah ASHWORTH, who married on 17 February 1873 in Radcliffe St Thomas & St John. Joseph is believed to have been the only son of Hoylake fisherman John SHERLOCK, who died in 1856 at the early age of 25. However, it would seem the family you have in mind is the Pendleton-born William SHERLOCK, who married Elizabeth BRADBURN in 1856 in Eccles St Mary - William being a son of another John SHERLOCK, occupation cotton weaver? There appear to have been two distinct SHERLOCK lines within a 30-mile radius in the 1400/1500's, each giving their offspring similar names viz William, John, Thomas, Richard, Henry, Robert, Joseph & Samuel. One was based in Oxton in Wirral (from which I myself am descended), the other in Flixton, Manchester, which I suspect is your own particular line. Someone very kindly sent me a 'pedigree' of the Flixton SHERLOCKs several years ago. Will see if I can unearth it once the festive season is over and the 'guest bedroom' reverts to its former use as my family history research archive. PS. Salford is EAST of Wirral & Liverpool, not further north. :-) Best regards Gordon From: "D JONES" <djedoric1958@binternet.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Daniel Thomas Hardman Hello May I join in with your discussion? I wonder if you have researched possible connections with SHERLOCK and HARDMAN further north in Salford. I have two families in Pendleton BRADBURN and LORD who are connected with the SHERLOCKS and HARDMANS of Pendleton and Salford.. Dorothy

Hello May I join in with your discussion? I wonder if you have researched possible connections with SHERLOCK  and HARDMAN further north in Salford. I have two families in Pendleton BRADBURN and LORD who are connected with the SHERLOCKS and HARDMANS of Pendleton and Salford.. Dorothy

Hi Bert No knowledge of any SHERLOCK connection with BARKLEM, I'm afraid. Incidentally, did you know that CRELLIN (like KERRUISH) is also of Manx (ie Isle of Man) origin - as too is CANNELL, which was possibly the intended middle name of the John HARDMAN baptised on 15 February 1829 in Liverpool St Nicholas? The IGI has the marriage of a James CRELLIN and Jane CANNELL on 14 June 1792 in IOM Kirk Michael, followed by the baptism of a Mary, daughter of James CRELLIN and Jane CANNELL, on 30 April 1809 in the same church. For this to be Daniel Thomas HARDMAN's bride in 1825, however, she'd have had to have added quite a few years to her true age, since Mary HARDMAN is stated to have been 31 when she died in 1833. She could have been a late baptism, of course. :-) Best wishes Gordon From: "Herbert Seabrooke" <lapool@alphalink.com.au> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 12:22 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Daniel Thomas Hardman >Gday Gordon, >Thanks for your email,some of the information is new to me,i have been >looking in Lancashire for Daniels birth,i saw him in the poll book,and know >of his marriage to Sarah Fallows of Cockermouth.But nothing about Mary >Cellin, >Do your Sherlock side have any connection to Barklem? >Thanks again and have a Merry Christmas and may your tree have lots of >fruit >in the New Year. >Bert >From: "Gordon Evans" <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> >To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 10:15 PM >Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Daniel Thomas Hardman > >Hi Bert >I believe you're already aware that I have your ancestor Daniel Thomas >HARDMAN in my extended family tree by virtue of the marriage of Charlotte >FIDLER (b1902 Liverpool) to Henry SHERLOCK (b1902 Hoose) on 20 November >1921 >in Birkenhead St Peter? >Charlotte being niece to the Jane FIDLER who married Herbert SEABROOKE in >1903 in Kikdale St Athanasius? >> >For what it's worth, I have Daniel Thomas HARDMAN as marrying firstly a >Mary >CRELLIN on 11 June 1825 in Liverpool St John Old Haymarket, with children >baptised in Liverpool St Nicholas :- >15 Feb 1829 John Crinell >28 Aug 1831 Elizabeth >19 Aug 1832 Mary Catherine >In each of the baptism entries Daniel Thomas' occupation is given as >mariner, address Highfield Street. >A person of this name, occupation & address is listed in the 1832 >Liverpool >Poll Book :- >http://www.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/1832Pollbook/pollh.htm. >The Lancashire OPC site has this marriage :- >14 April 1849 >St Martin in the Fields, Liverpool >Daniel Thomas HARDMAN, full age, mariner, widower, residence Portland >Street, and >Sarah FALLOWS, full age, spinster, residence Portland Street. >Groom's father given as Daniel HARDMAN, boot-maker. >Bride's father given as John FALLOWS, church clerk. >Witnesses were James JOHNSON and Mary WILSON >Children of this marriage appear to have been an Isabella HARDMAN born >1850 >in Liverpool and the Catherine HARDMAN born 1851 in Liverpool who married >Robert H SEABROOKE on 7 July 1873 in Liverpool St Peter. >Unfortunatley, Daniel Thomas HARDMAN doesn't seem to have featured in any >Census, his 2nd wife Sarah nee FALLOWS being a widow in the 1861. :-( >The IGI does however have a baptism :- >28 December 1802 >Holborne St Andrew, London >Daniel Thomas HARDMAN >Parents Daniel and Catherine >And Ancestry a marriage which they have transcribed as :- >25 January 1802 >Soho St Anne, London >Daniel HARDMAN and Catherine HEWUISH >My own view is that the bride's surname should in fact read KERRUISH, this >being an old Manx name - which might explain the family's subsequent >migration from London up to Liverpool? >Seasonal greetings >Gordon

Gday Gordon, Thanks for your email,some of the information is new to me,i have been looking in Lancashire for Daniels birth,i saw him in the poll book,and know of his marriage to Sarah Fallows of Cockermouth.But nothing about Mary Cellin, Do your Sherlock side have any connection to Barklem? Thanks again and have a Merry Christmas and may your tree have lots of fruit in the New Year. Bert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Evans" <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Daniel Thomas Hardman > Hi Bert > > I believe you're already aware that I have your ancestor Daniel Thomas > HARDMAN in my extended family tree by virtue of the marriage of Charlotte > FIDLER (b1902 Liverpool) to Henry SHERLOCK (b1902 Hoose) on 20 November > 1921 > in Birkenhead St Peter? > Charlotte being niece to the Jane FIDLER who married Herbert SEABROOKE in > 1903 in Kikdale St Athanasius? > > For what it's worth, I have Daniel Thomas HARDMAN as marrying firstly a > Mary > CRELLIN on 11 June 1825 in Liverpool St John Old Haymarket, with children > baptised in Liverpool St Nicholas :- > > 15 Feb 1829 John Crinell > 28 Aug 1831 Elizabeth > 19 Aug 1832 Mary Catherine > > In each of the baptism entries Daniel Thomas' occupation is given as > mariner, address Highfield Street. > A person of this name, occupation & address is listed in the 1832 > Liverpool > Poll Book :- > > http://www.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/1832Pollbook/pollh.htm. > > The Lancashire OPC site has this marriage :- > > 14 April 1849 > St Martin in the Fields, Liverpool > Daniel Thomas HARDMAN, full age, mariner, widower, residence Portland > Street, and > Sarah FALLOWS, full age, spinster, residence Portland Street. > Groom's father given as Daniel HARDMAN, boot-maker. > Bride's father given as John FALLOWS, church clerk. > Witnesses were James JOHNSON and Mary WILSON > > Children of this marriage appear to have been an Isabella HARDMAN born > 1850 > in Liverpool and the Catherine HARDMAN born 1851 in Liverpool who married > Robert H SEABROOKE on 7 July 1873 in Liverpool St Peter. > > Unfortunatley, Daniel Thomas HARDMAN doesn't seem to have featured in any > Census, his 2nd wife Sarah nee FALLOWS being a widow in the 1861. :-( > > The IGI does however have a baptism :- > > 28 December 1802 > Holborne St Andrew, London > Daniel Thomas HARDMAN > Parents Daniel and Catherine > > And Ancestry a marriage which they have transcribed as :- > > 25 January 1802 > Soho St Anne, London > Daniel HARDMAN and Catherine HEWUISH > > My own view is that the bride's surname should in fact read KERRUISH, this > being an old Manx name - which might explain the family's subsequent > migration from London up to Liverpool? > > Seasonal greetings > Gordon > > From: "Herbert Seabrooke" <lapool@alphalink.com.au> > To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 11:12 PM > Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Daniel Thomas Hardman > >>Gday list >>Writing to enquire if anybody is working on the above interst in >>liverpool. >>Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year to you all. >>Bert in Oz > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Merry Christmas and a Happy Healthy New Year to All. Thanks to those who have answered our many questions enabling us to have some insight to our Ancestors those many years ago. If anyone meets the Kelly's or Farrells in and around Widnes area tell them I'm hot on their heels!!. Meg

Hi Bert I believe you're already aware that I have your ancestor Daniel Thomas HARDMAN in my extended family tree by virtue of the marriage of Charlotte FIDLER (b1902 Liverpool) to Henry SHERLOCK (b1902 Hoose) on 20 November 1921 in Birkenhead St Peter? Charlotte being niece to the Jane FIDLER who married Herbert SEABROOKE in 1903 in Kikdale St Athanasius? For what it's worth, I have Daniel Thomas HARDMAN as marrying firstly a Mary CRELLIN on 11 June 1825 in Liverpool St John Old Haymarket, with children baptised in Liverpool St Nicholas :- 15 Feb 1829 John Crinell 28 Aug 1831 Elizabeth 19 Aug 1832 Mary Catherine In each of the baptism entries Daniel Thomas' occupation is given as mariner, address Highfield Street. A person of this name, occupation & address is listed in the 1832 Liverpool Poll Book :- http://www.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/1832Pollbook/pollh.htm. The Lancashire OPC site has this marriage :- 14 April 1849 St Martin in the Fields, Liverpool Daniel Thomas HARDMAN, full age, mariner, widower, residence Portland Street, and Sarah FALLOWS, full age, spinster, residence Portland Street. Groom's father given as Daniel HARDMAN, boot-maker. Bride's father given as John FALLOWS, church clerk. Witnesses were James JOHNSON and Mary WILSON Children of this marriage appear to have been an Isabella HARDMAN born 1850 in Liverpool and the Catherine HARDMAN born 1851 in Liverpool who married Robert H SEABROOKE on 7 July 1873 in Liverpool St Peter. Unfortunatley, Daniel Thomas HARDMAN doesn't seem to have featured in any Census, his 2nd wife Sarah nee FALLOWS being a widow in the 1861. :-( The IGI does however have a baptism :- 28 December 1802 Holborne St Andrew, London Daniel Thomas HARDMAN Parents Daniel and Catherine And Ancestry a marriage which they have transcribed as :- 25 January 1802 Soho St Anne, London Daniel HARDMAN and Catherine HEWUISH My own view is that the bride's surname should in fact read KERRUISH, this being an old Manx name - which might explain the family's subsequent migration from London up to Liverpool? Seasonal greetings Gordon From: "Herbert Seabrooke" <lapool@alphalink.com.au> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 11:12 PM Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Daniel Thomas Hardman >Gday list >Writing to enquire if anybody is working on the above interst in liverpool. >Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year to you all. >Bert in Oz

Gday list Writing to enquire if anybody is working on the above interst in liverpool. Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year to you all. Bert in Oz

I wish I'd been there, even though I have no known connection with the Lifeboat. Did many of you manage to greet each other? Marged A big hello to all those who braved the cold weather yesterday to attend the Hoylake lifeboat Memorial service. It was good to meet other distant rellies and share stories. We shall be meeting up again in the warmer weather to do a photo day, as many people were very cold and we did'nt get round to doing it yesterday. The manager at the lifeboat station has kindly offered to host our little gathering and provide food too. As we discussed, it would be a fitting tribute to the memory of these brave souls lost in 1810 to keep in touch, as the story of their bravery went unoticed for so long, it would only be right to keep the spirit of their bravery in our minds, and continue to make us aware of the amazing jobs all lifeboat crews past and present do, and give them the respect and honour they too rightly deserve. Just remains to wish all your cherished family and friends the best for Christmas, and remember all the emergency folk who will be working or on-call over this time... Best Wishes Jess Pearce No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3331 - Release Date: 12/22/10 07:34:00

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Hi folks, A big hello to all those who braved the cold weather yesterday to attend the Hoylake lifeboat Memorial service. It was good to meet other distant rellies and share stories. We shall be meeting up again in the warmer weather to do a photo day, as many people were very cold and we did'nt get round to doing it yesterday. The manager at the lifeboat station has kindly offered to host our little gathering and provide food too. As we discussed, it would be a fitting tribute to the memory of these brave souls lost in 1810 to keep in touch, as the story of their bravery went unoticed for so long, it would only be right to keep the spirit of their bravery in our minds, and continue to make us aware of the amazing jobs all lifeboat crews past and present do, and give them the respect and honour they too rightly deserve. Just remains to wish all your cherished family and friends the best for Christmas, and remember all the emergency folk who will be working or on-call over this time... Best Wishes Jess Pearce

To All Just want to take this opportunity to thank all for the assistance they offered this past year. I wish you a very Blessed, Peaceful and Merry Christmas followed by a Happy Healthy New Year! "God bless us, every one!" Regards Eleanor

Latest additions to the data-base mean that Formby St Peter now has one of the best coverages in West Lancashire viz :- Baptisms 1813 to 1923 Marriages 1813 to 1918 Burials 1813 to 1922 http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Formby/index.html Best regards Gordon

A useful crop with a Merseyside flavour for a change - just in time for Christmas. :-) Go to :- http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/index.html click on 'Whats new' in the list on the left and scroll down. Regards Gordon

Hi Jess I understand from my cousin Eve Roberts that you might have the name SHERLOCK in your family tree? Would be interested to know precise details in order to determine whether or not you and I are blood-related - one of my 4 x great-grandmothers being a Mary SHERLOCK, born in Raby & baptised on 3 November 1746 in Neston St Mary & St Helen, daughter of John & Mary SHERLOCK? Regards Gordon From: "Michael Pearce" <lovebug53@virginmedia.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 7:05 PM Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Hoylake life boat >Hi listers, have read with interest about the memorial service next week, >and I know that several decendents both direct and indirect, (cousins, by >marriage, etc) willbe attending, myself included. May be there could be >something organised so we could make ourselves known to each other for the >sake of our common ancestors, and our own family research? What do other >listers think? Regards Jess

Thank you Gordon for your information. I'll wait for the Lancs BMD deaths to come on line, I can't see James going far in the meantime! Thank you also to all the transcribers whose voluntary work helps out those of us far from home. I wish you all a blessed and peaceful Christmas. Edwina Townsend