Hi Marged Interesting to see that the 349 Jewish emigrants who left in February 1882 on board the steamer ILLINOIS were destined for Philadalephia USA? :-) Thanks for posting the link on the Merseyside list. Regards Gordon From: "Marged" <marged36@btopenworld.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2011 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Fw: [Liverpool-Memories] Emigration ofJewishrefugees So sad, Jane. I read a lot of novels about the Jews in America, and it's interesting to know how they managed to make their way there when they had so little money Marj http://www.old-merseytimes.co.uk/index.html Jane

Hi Gordon, While I'm able to find the 1st listing you post for David TENNANT, W, 67, labourer, b Bathgate, I'm not finding the 2nd David TENNANT, 32, salesman of bottled drinks, b Lanarkshire Old Monkland unless ancestry.com doesn't have it. I don't get it; don't understand why it's not showing up. I'll keep hammering at it. Thank you for finding it; I agree the 2nd looks more likely to be Isabella's family. Best Wishes Eleanor In a message dated 1/16/2011 9:42:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com writes: Hi Eleanor There would seem a choice of two households for Thomas HANCOCK's wife Bella in the 1871 Census :- Gidion Street, Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland David TENNANT, W, 67, labourer, b Bathgate Catherine, daur, U, 40, Bathgate David, son, W, 36, labourer, Bathgate Jane, grandaur, 10, Bathgate David, grandson, 8, Bathgate Isabella, grandaur, 5, Bathgate David CAMERON, grandson, 5, Bathgate 330 Argyle Street, Barony, Glasgow, Scotland David TENNANT, 32, salesman of bottled drinks, b Lanarkshire Old Monkland Mary, wife, 24, Renfrewshire Greenock Margaret Barr, daur, 10, Renfrewshire Renfrew Isabella, daur, 5, Lanarkshire Glasgow James Archibald, son, 3, Lanarkshire Rutherglen Given that her birthplace is given as Glasgow in 1911 the second one appears the most likely - Mary patently being David TENNANT's second wife? Best wishes Gordon From: <Preulet@aol.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2011 3:50 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] HANCOCK, Thomas's son of Jane PARR >Hi Gordon, >Sorry, I'm feeling a tad guilty that while you were so busy working on my >case I needed to go run out to catch the last day of the can-can sale >(grocery stock-up). The sale only happens 2 x a year. -- not that you >care :-) >and now that I'm back - England is probably asleep >Boy you were really busy sleuthing while I was gone. Thank you so very >much. >Yes, this lady is looking real good. I totally agree with your evaluation >of Margaret being named after her mother, given Jane Parr HANCOCK was named >after her mother-in-law. >Wow! You really resolved my curiosity regarding Henry HANCOCK. I shan't >be wondering about him anymore, however do you think he may somehow be >related to Al GORE, former U.S. vice president? Hmmm? ;-) No, let's not >go >there. >Seriously, I'm very grateful to you and others on this board who have >graciously offered their time and efforts >in solving this mystery. >Enjoy the day! >Best Wishes >Eleanor ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Marged The past holds so many sad stories for so many different nationalities yet many of hope. It's awful that even today people are still persecuted around the globe. I hadn't known of the Jewish exodus of the 1800's, very sad. Thank you for posting. Have a nice day. Eleanor In a message dated 1/16/2011 4:49:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, marged36@btopenworld.com writes: So sad, Jane. I read a lot of novels about the Jews in America, and it's interesting to know how they managed to make their way there when they had so little money Marj http://www.old-merseytimes.co.uk/index.html Jane No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3383 - Release Date: 01/15/11 19:34:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Hi Eleanor I think that the surname for Bella would be TENANT. In the 1891 census Thomas Hancock and his sister Sarah are living in Irby Next door is the family of Henry HANCOCK and also in that household is Bella TENANT age 25 born Scotland and described as a 'Lady Help' Unfortunately I can't find a marriage. Andy ----- ----- >>> Hi Folks >>> >>> I am hoping someone may know/have the full/last name of the wife of > : >>> >>> >>> HANCOCK, Thomas bap. February 11, 1849 Thurstaston, Cheshire >>> died January 27, 1912 Thurstaston, >>> Cheshire >>> >>> who married sometime after 1891 census to: >>> >>> Isabella "Bella" ca 1867 Scotland (per census) >>> >>> having 2 daughters Jane Parr HANCOCK and Margaret HANCOCK >>> (1783-1857) both of West Kirby >>> >>> I've already exhausted my usual haunts - Lancashire BMD, Cheshire BMD, >>> familysearch pilot, and Ancestry.com for the marriage to no avail. >>> >>> Thank you & keeping my fingers crossed :-) >>> >>> Regards >>> Eleanor >

Hi Eleanor You wrote :- >I'll have to search around to see what I may dig up on Bella TENANT. This seems a distinct possibillity in the 1881 Census :- 11 Newsham Terrace, West Derby Raymond W LOVELOCK, 27, clerk in Bank of England, b London Isabella TENNENT, servant, 19, general domestic servant, b SCO Paisley Given that she named her second daughter Margaret, this could well be her birth registration, bearing in mind that her age was stated to be 25 in 1891 and 34 in 1901 :- 3 February 1866 30 Old Dalmar, Nock Road, Glasgow Isabella TENNANT Father - David TENNANT, drayman Mother - Margaret TENNANT, maiden name AITKENHEAD Parents' marriage - 3 December 1858, Rutherglen >I'm also curious as to who Henry HANCOCK from Pensby is - probably Thomas >Hancock's cousin... Henry HANCOCK (b1835 Pensby) was indeed Thomas' first cousin, he being baptised on 3 October 1835 in Heswall St Peter, son of Edward Gore HANCOCK (b1806 Heswall) and Arabella WHITBY (b1806 Neston) who married on 18 December 1834 in Heswall St Peter. GORE being the maiden name of Edward & Charles HANCOCK's mother Sarah, who married Henry HANCOCK on 19 September 1805 in Heswall St Peter. Best wishes Gordon <Preulet@aol.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] HANCOCK, Thomas's son of Jane PARR >Hi Gordon, >You and Andy sure are on the same wavelength. I've since looked over that >census again and am now >really liking Bella Tenant as she looks like a better opportunity for >Thomas HANCOCK to find a wife, especially from Scotland. >I'll have to search around to see what I may dig up on Bella TENANT. >I'm also curious as to who Henry HANCOCK from Pensby is - probably Thomas >Hancock's cousin but that's for another time as I'm really catching up on >Joseph Parr - Jane Huntington descendents. >I found some of them hidden in my own backyard. It's a shame New York >isn't as generous as England with >their genealogy data. England has me spoiled and yearning for more! >Thanks for your help. s > Eleanor

Hi Gordon, Sorry, I'm feeling a tad guilty that while you were so busy working on my case I needed to go run out to catch the last day of the can-can sale (grocery stock-up). The sale only happens 2 x a year. -- not that you care :-) and now that I'm back - England is probably asleep Boy you were really busy sleuthing while I was gone. Thank you so very much. Yes, this lady is looking real good. I totally agree with your evaluation of Margaret being named after her mother, given Jane Parr HANCOCK was named after her mother-in-law. Wow! You really resolved my curiosity regarding Henry HANCOCK. I shan't be wondering about him anymore, however do you think he may somehow be related to Al GORE, former U.S. vice president? Hmmm? ;-) No, let's not go there. Seriously, I'm very grateful to you and others on this board who have graciously offered their time and efforts in solving this mystery. Enjoy the day! Best Wishes Eleanor In a message dated 1/15/2011 7:45:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com writes: Hi Eleanor You wrote :- >I'll have to search around to see what I may dig up on Bella TENANT. This seems a distinct possibillity in the 1881 Census :- 11 Newsham Terrace, West Derby Raymond W LOVELOCK, 27, clerk in Bank of England, b London Isabella TENNENT, servant, 19, general domestic servant, b SCO Paisley Given that she named her second daughter Margaret, this could well be her birth registration, bearing in mind that her age was stated to be 25 in 1891 and 34 in 1901 :- 3 February 1866 30 Old Dalmar, Nock Road, Glasgow Isabella TENNANT Father - David TENNANT, drayman Mother - Margaret TENNANT, maiden name AITKENHEAD Parents' marriage - 3 December 1858, Rutherglen >I'm also curious as to who Henry HANCOCK from Pensby is - probably Thomas >Hancock's cousin... Henry HANCOCK (b1835 Pensby) was indeed Thomas' first cousin, he being baptised on 3 October 1835 in Heswall St Peter, son of Edward Gore HANCOCK (b1806 Heswall) and Arabella WHITBY (b1806 Neston) who married on 18 December 1834 in Heswall St Peter. GORE being the maiden name of Edward & Charles HANCOCK's mother Sarah, who married Henry HANCOCK on 19 September 1805 in Heswall St Peter. Best wishes Gordon <Preulet@aol.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] HANCOCK, Thomas's son of Jane PARR >Hi Gordon, >You and Andy sure are on the same wavelength. I've since looked over that >census again and am now >really liking Bella Tenant as she looks like a better opportunity for >Thomas HANCOCK to find a wife, especially from Scotland. >I'll have to search around to see what I may dig up on Bella TENANT. >I'm also curious as to who Henry HANCOCK from Pensby is - probably Thomas >Hancock's cousin but that's for another time as I'm really catching up on >Joseph Parr - Jane Huntington descendents. >I found some of them hidden in my own backyard. It's a shame New York >isn't as generous as England with >their genealogy data. England has me spoiled and yearning for more! >Thanks for your help. s > Eleanor ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Eleanor The marriage continues to elude me as it does you, but Thomas HANCOCK's future bride appears to be on view here :- 1891 Census Irby Henry HANCOCK, 55, farmer, CHS Pensby Martha, wife, 48. CHS Great Sutton Edward, son, U, 23, CHS Irby Bella TENANT, lady help, U, 35, lady help, SCOTLAND Adjacent household :- 1891 Census Irby Thomas HANCOCK, U, 37, farmer, CHS Thurstaston Sarah, sister, U, 39, general servant, CHS Heswall (Thomas & Sarah's ages understated by some six or seven years, of course). Best regards Gordon From: <Preulet@aol.com> To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 3:03 PM Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] HANCOCK, Thomas's son of Jane PARR >Hi Folks >I am hoping someone may know/have the full/last name of the wife of : >HANCOCK, Thomas bap. February 11, 1849 Thurstaston, Cheshire >died January 27, 1912 Thurstaston, Cheshire >who married sometime after 1891 census to: >Isabella "Bella" ca 1867 Scotland (per census) >having 2 daughters Jane Parr HANCOCK and Margaret HANCOCK >HANCOCK, Thomas is the son of : >PARR, Jane bap April 24, 1822, Woodchurch burial September 19, 1881, >Heswall married >HANCOCK, Charles bap April 16, 1810 Heswall --- burial June 03, 1858 >Heswall >Jane PARR was the daughter of Thomas PARR (1780-1871) and Sarah >POSTLETHWAITE (1783-1857) both of West Kirby >I've already exhausted my usual haunts - Lancashire BMD, Cheshire BMD, >familysearch pilot, and Ancestry.com for the marriage to no avail. >Thank you & keeping my fingers crossed :-) >Regards >Eleanor

----- Original Message ----- From: <Preulet@aol.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Oops! re HANCOCK, Thomas's son of Jane PARR > Hi Sandra, > > I have senior moments all the time, Thanks for checking. I'll best have > to get one of the children's birth certificates. > At least with going for the children, I know I'm not wasting money on an > erroneous marriage. > > Enjoy what's left of your day. > Eleanor > > > In a message dated 1/15/2011 12:43:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > thedurk@btinternet.com writes: > > Sorry Eleanor - I meant that there is a marriage of a Thomas HANCOCK in > the > same year/quarter in Chesterfield but it looks as though he married > Catherine PAGE or Ellen Dearden SWINDLE. > > Senior moment! > > Sandra > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sandra Durkin" <thedurk@btinternet.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 5:33 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] HANCOCK, Thomas's son of Jane PARR > > > I'd be a little cautious about the Isabella STOCKS, Eleanor. This is the > detail on FreeBMD > Marriages Jun 1893 (>99%) > > > Craddock Clara Derby 7b 912 > Hancock Thomas Draycott Basford 7b 912 > Meakin Charles William Derby 7b 912 > Middleton Henry Derby 7b 912 > Stocks Isabella Derby 7b 912 > > I looked at the image for the Thomas Draycott HANCOCK, and I think the > entry > is indeed Basford but I think the page number has been mistranscribed, it > looks like 312 to me. That would suggest that Isabella STOCKS married > Charles MEAKIN or Henry MIDDLETON. > > There is a marriage of a Thomas DRAYCOTT in Chesterfield in the same > year/quarter, but from FreeBMD it looks as though he married either > Catherine PAGE or Ellen Dearden SWINDLE. > > Good luck! > > Sandra > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi there, the one I found was Isabella Stocks Derby 7b 912. She only comes up on FreeBMD on her own as Thomas Draycott Hancock is I think mistranscribed to Basford 7b 912. All the best, Marian ----- Original Message ----- From: <Preulet@aol.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] HANCOCK, Thomas's son of Jane PARR > Hi Marian, > > Thanks for checking. May I ask where/how you found this -in what town? > You obviously checked something I've missed, unless my search criteria > was > wrong. > > With this last name of STOCKS, I'm now seeing a listing in Derby, > Derbyshire which fits since Thomas married after the 1891 census, > Providing of > course that the name Isabella on census/baptism records is a first name > rather > than a middle name. > > Thanks for your help. > > Regards > Eleanor > > > > > In a message dated 1/15/2011 10:56:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > marianfoster@mypostoffice.co.uk writes: > > Hi Eleanor, There is a marriage in 1893 of Isabella Stocks and since Jane > Parr Hancock's birth is registered 1893 this might be it? All the best, > Marian > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Preulet@aol.com> > To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 3:03 PM > Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] HANCOCK, Thomas's son of Jane PARR > > >> Hi Folks >> >> I am hoping someone may know/have the full/last name of the wife of : >> >> >> HANCOCK, Thomas bap. February 11, 1849 Thurstaston, Cheshire >> died January 27, 1912 Thurstaston, >> Cheshire >> >> who married sometime after 1891 census to: >> >> Isabella "Bella" ca 1867 Scotland (per census) >> >> having 2 daughters Jane Parr HANCOCK and Margaret HANCOCK >> >> HANCOCK, Thomas is the son of : >> >> >> PARR, Jane bap April 24, 1822, Woodchurch burial September 19, 1881, >> Heswall married >> HANCOCK, Charles bap April 16, 1810 Heswall --- burial June 03, 1858 >> Heswall >> >> Jane PARR was the daughter of Thomas PARR (1780-1871) and Sarah >> POSTLETHWAITE (1783-1857) both of West Kirby >> >> I've already exhausted my usual haunts - Lancashire BMD, Cheshire BMD, >> familysearch pilot, and Ancestry.com for the marriage to no avail. >> >> Thank you & keeping my fingers crossed :-) >> >> Regards >> Eleanor >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ______________________________________________ >> This email has been scanned by Netintelligence >> http://www.netintelligence.com/email >> >> > > > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email

Hi Pam, Many thanks for the census details you've sent. The only other 'definite' record I've found is for a burial at Woodchurch, 26 October 1803, John Davies son of John and Hannah Davies of Barnston, but I can't find the matching baptism. I'm puzzled as to why John and Hannah Davies were so favoured in the will. I'm assuming that John Silcock must have died by the time of his father's will, as he and his family weren't mentioned, even 'tho he had several children, unless he had had a previous settlement. It looks as 'tho Elizabeth Silcock may have had an illegitimate child, Mary Silcock, baptised 22 June 1794 at St. Bridget's, West Kirby. Maybe that's why she was out of favour, with only one shilling left to her. It looks as 'tho Philip never married, son of John Davies and Hannah. I wonder what happened to all the 'dosh'. Kind regards, Von Pam Craven Sent: 15 January 2011 16:41 To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Robert Silcock's will dated 21st May 1817 Hi Von no further info thought I'd found a daughter Ann bap Neston 6 Dec 1797 (only 3/4 miles away from Barnston) but 2 babies in 8 months is stretching it a bit? Philip appears on 1841 and 1861 census cannot find him on 1851 1841 HO107/128/17 Res: Thingwall Farmer - A Catherine KEMP aged 80 appears with him on census 1861 RG9; Piece: 2638; Folio: 22; Page: 10 Lodger with William and Ann HEMP aged 71 and 62 Res: Thingwall Not sure what the link with these Kemp/Hemps are but we have a link early 1700s with the WHARTONS Pam

Hi Gordon, You and Andy sure are on the same wavelength. I've since looked over that census again and am now really liking Bella Tenant as she looks like a better opportunity for Thomas HANCOCK to find a wife, especially from Scotland. I'll have to search around to see what I may dig up on Bella TENANT. I'm also curious as to who Henry HANCOCK from Pensby is - probably Thomas Hancock's cousin but that's for another time as I'm really catching up on Joseph Parr - Jane Huntington descendents. I found some of them hidden in my own backyard. It's a shame New York isn't as generous as England with their genealogy data. England has me spoiled and yearning for more! Thanks for your help. Warm regards Eleanor In a message dated 1/15/2011 5:15:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com writes: Hi Eleanor The marriage continues to elude me as it does you, but Thomas HANCOCK's future bride appears to be on view here :- 1891 Census Irby Henry HANCOCK, 55, farmer, CHS Pensby Martha, wife, 48. CHS Great Sutton Edward, son, U, 23, CHS Irby Bella TENANT, lady help, U, 35, lady help, SCOTLAND Adjacent household :- 1891 Census Irby Thomas HANCOCK, U, 37, farmer, CHS Thurstaston Sarah, sister, U, 39, general servant, CHS Heswall (Thomas & Sarah's ages understated by some six or seven years, of course). Best regards Gordon From: <Preulet@aol.com> To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 3:03 PM Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] HANCOCK, Thomas's son of Jane PARR >Hi Folks >I am hoping someone may know/have the full/last name of the wife of : >HANCOCK, Thomas bap. February 11, 1849 Thurstaston, Cheshire >died January 27, 1912 Thurstaston, Cheshire >who married sometime after 1891 census to: >Isabella "Bella" ca 1867 Scotland (per census) >having 2 daughters Jane Parr HANCOCK and Margaret HANCOCK >HANCOCK, Thomas is the son of : >PARR, Jane bap April 24, 1822, Woodchurch burial September 19, 1881, >Heswall married >HANCOCK, Charles bap April 16, 1810 Heswall --- burial June 03, 1858 >Heswall >Jane PARR was the daughter of Thomas PARR (1780-1871) and Sarah >POSTLETHWAITE (1783-1857) both of West Kirby >I've already exhausted my usual haunts - Lancashire BMD, Cheshire BMD, >familysearch pilot, and Ancestry.com for the marriage to no avail. >Thank you & keeping my fingers crossed :-) >Regards >Eleanor ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Andy, I never looked at this census other than Thomas & Sarah Hancock since at the time I expected him to remain a bachelor. This Bella certainly fits with the gal I'm looking for and explains how a hard-working stay at home farmer met up with a lady from Scotland. Thanks for your help. Best Wishes Eleanor In a message dated 1/15/2011 5:14:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, andycandlish@ozemail.com.au writes: Hi Eleanor I think that the surname for Bella would be TENANT. In the 1891 census Thomas Hancock and his sister Sarah are living in Irby Next door is the family of Henry HANCOCK and also in that household is Bella TENANT age 25 born Scotland and described as a 'Lady Help' Unfortunately I can't find a marriage. Andy ----- ----- >>> Hi Folks >>> >>> I am hoping someone may know/have the full/last name of the wife of > : >>> >>> >>> HANCOCK, Thomas bap. February 11, 1849 Thurstaston, Cheshire >>> died January 27, 1912 Thurstaston, >>> Cheshire >>> >>> who married sometime after 1891 census to: >>> >>> Isabella "Bella" ca 1867 Scotland (per census) >>> >>> having 2 daughters Jane Parr HANCOCK and Margaret HANCOCK >>> (1783-1857) both of West Kirby >>> >>> I've already exhausted my usual haunts - Lancashire BMD, Cheshire BMD, >>> familysearch pilot, and Ancestry.com for the marriage to no avail. >>> >>> Thank you & keeping my fingers crossed :-) >>> >>> Regards >>> Eleanor > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry Eleanor - I meant that there is a marriage of a Thomas HANCOCK in the same year/quarter in Chesterfield but it looks as though he married Catherine PAGE or Ellen Dearden SWINDLE. Senior moment! Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Durkin" <thedurk@btinternet.com> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] HANCOCK, Thomas's son of Jane PARR I'd be a little cautious about the Isabella STOCKS, Eleanor. This is the detail on FreeBMD Marriages Jun 1893 (>99%) Craddock Clara Derby 7b 912 Hancock Thomas Draycott Basford 7b 912 Meakin Charles William Derby 7b 912 Middleton Henry Derby 7b 912 Stocks Isabella Derby 7b 912 I looked at the image for the Thomas Draycott HANCOCK, and I think the entry is indeed Basford but I think the page number has been mistranscribed, it looks like 312 to me. That would suggest that Isabella STOCKS married Charles MEAKIN or Henry MIDDLETON. There is a marriage of a Thomas DRAYCOTT in Chesterfield in the same year/quarter, but from FreeBMD it looks as though he married either Catherine PAGE or Ellen Dearden SWINDLE. Good luck! Sandra

I'd be a little cautious about the Isabella STOCKS, Eleanor. This is the detail on FreeBMD Marriages Jun 1893 (>99%) Craddock Clara Derby 7b 912 Hancock Thomas Draycott Basford 7b 912 Meakin Charles William Derby 7b 912 Middleton Henry Derby 7b 912 Stocks Isabella Derby 7b 912 I looked at the image for the Thomas Draycott HANCOCK, and I think the entry is indeed Basford but I think the page number has been mistranscribed, it looks like 312 to me. That would suggest that Isabella STOCKS married Charles MEAKIN or Henry MIDDLETON. There is a marriage of a Thomas DRAYCOTT in Chesterfield in the same year/quarter, but from FreeBMD it looks as though he married either Catherine PAGE or Ellen Dearden SWINDLE. Good luck! Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: <Preulet@aol.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] HANCOCK, Thomas's son of Jane PARR Hi Angelika, Thanks for the lookups. I've been pondering subscribing to Find My Past after my ancestry subscription runs out (march). I've tried them on a free search during the World Cup (thanks Pam) and like them. I have Jane Parr HANCOCK's baptism as well as her sis Margaret and am getting more curious about their mom so most likely will go the GRO route to make sure. Thanks again Best Wishes Eleanor In a message dated 1/15/2011 10:59:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rootsweb@roberts.co.uk writes: I have just tried Findmypast (whose new search tool beats anything offered by any of the other sites) and have drawn a blank there too. Unless someone else finds the marriage I think you may just have to bite the bullet and pay over £9.25 to the GRO for one of the children's birth certificates! Jane Parr Hancock's birth was registered in the Wirral district in the third quarter of 1893, 8a 499 (to save you having to look it up if you haven't already) Angelika On 15/01/2011 15:03, Preulet@aol.com wrote: > Hi Folks > > I am hoping someone may know/have the full/last name of the wife of : > > > HANCOCK, Thomas bap. February 11, 1849 Thurstaston, Cheshire > died January 27, 1912 Thurstaston, Cheshire > > who married sometime after 1891 census to: > > Isabella "Bella" ca 1867 Scotland (per census) > > having 2 daughters Jane Parr HANCOCK and Margaret HANCOCK > > HANCOCK, Thomas is the son of : > > > PARR, Jane bap April 24, 1822, Woodchurch burial September 19, 1881, > Heswall married > HANCOCK, Charles bap April 16, 1810 Heswall --- burial June 03, 1858 > Heswall > > Jane PARR was the daughter of Thomas PARR (1780-1871) and Sarah > POSTLETHWAITE (1783-1857) both of West Kirby > > I've already exhausted my usual haunts - Lancashire BMD, Cheshire BMD, > familysearch pilot, and Ancestry.com for the marriage to no avail. > > Thank you& keeping my fingers crossed :-) > > Regards > Eleanor > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Eleanor, If Marian's (M) is correct there is an Isabella STOCKS age 1 on 1871Cs, and a (B) in 1869 both in Dysart, Fife. If correct I can supply more details. Walter (Scotland) --- On Sat, 15/1/11, Marian Foster <marianfoster@mypostoffice.co.uk> wrote: > From: Marian Foster <marianfoster@mypostoffice.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] HANCOCK, Thomas's son of Jane PARR > To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com > Date: Saturday, 15 January, 2011, 15:55 > Hi Eleanor, There is a marriage in > 1893 of Isabella Stocks and since Jane > Parr Hancock's birth is registered 1893 this might be it? > All the best, > Marian > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Preulet@aol.com> > To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 3:03 PM > Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] HANCOCK, Thomas's son of Jane > PARR > > > > Hi Folks > > > > I am hoping someone may know/have the full/last name > of the wife of  : > > > > > > HANCOCK, Thomas bap. February 11, 1849 Thurstaston, > Cheshire > >                >             >    died January 27, > 1912   Thurstaston, > > Cheshire > > > > who married sometime after 1891 census to: > > > > Isabella "Bella"  ca 1867 Scotland  (per > census) > > > > having 2 daughters Jane Parr HANCOCK and Margaret > HANCOCK > > > > HANCOCK, Thomas is the son of : > > > > > > PARR, Jane bap April 24, 1822, > Woodchurch   burial September 19,  > 1881, > > Heswall  married > > HANCOCK, Charles bap  April 16, 1810 > Heswall  --- burial June 03,  1858 > > Heswall > > > > Jane PARR was the daughter of Thomas PARR (1780-1871) > and Sarah > > POSTLETHWAITE (1783-1857) both of West Kirby > > > > I've already exhausted my usual haunts - Lancashire > BMD, Cheshire BMD, > > familysearch pilot, and Ancestry.com for the marriage > to no avail. > > > > Thank you & keeping my fingers crossed  :-) > > > > Regards > > Eleanor > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ______________________________________________ > > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________    >     > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence    >     > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > >  > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

Hi Von no further info thought I'd found a daughter Ann bap Neston 6 Dec 1797 (only 3/4 miles away from Barnston) but 2 babies in 8 months is stretching it a bit? Philip appears on 1841 and 1861 census cannot find him on 1851 1841 HO107/128/17 Res: Thingwall Farmer - A Catherine KEMP aged 80 appears with him on census 1861 RG9; Piece: 2638; Folio: 22; Page: 10 Lodger with William and Ann HEMP aged 71 and 62 Res: Thingwall Not sure what the link with these Kemp/Hemps are but we have a link early 1700s with the WHARTONS Pam "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a good looking and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, shouting - Wow! What a ride!" -----Original Message----- From: eng-merseyside-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-merseyside-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of YvonnePurdy Sent: 14 January 2011 6:52 PM To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Robert Silcock's will dated 21st May 1817 Hi Gordon, Many thanks for the details on John Evans who was farming in Barnston. It was more than probably this gentleman who witnessed Robert Silcock's will. Frankly, I'm struggling to identify much about John and Hannah (nee Silcock) Davies. They married 2 February 1792 at St. Bridget's, West Kirby. I can see a baptism at Woodchurch for a Philip Davies, son of John and Hannah Davies of Barnston on 16 April 1797, and not much else, and yet they were well favoured in Robert Silcock's 1817 will. Maybe they stayed on the farm with him until his death. I'm curious as to why daughter Elizabeth Silcock only received a shilling. Maybe she had already had a settlement at her marriage, but who did she marry? Still beavering away trying to sort it all out. Kind regards, Von Of Gordon Evans Sent: 14 January 2011 11:37 To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Robert Silcock's will dated 21st May 1817 Yvonne wrote :- >Please, can you identify any of the witnesses in the extended family? He's not in my direct line, Von, but I do in fact have in my extended tree a John EVANS who was farming in Barnston from around 1808 until at least 1827, when his youngest daughter Ellen was baptised in Woodchurch Holy Cross. He's believed to have been born 1770/1 somewhere in Cheshire (died in1842, aged 71), so would have been aged around 47 when Robert SILCOCK's will was witnessed in 1817? Ellen EVANS (b1827 Barnston) married my 4th cousin 3 times removed William LEDDER (b1826 Wallasey) in 1850 in Liverpool St Martin and had four children all born in Liverpool. Don't recognise either of the other witnesses viz Joseph PEERS or John COOKSON, though - nor, for that matter the son-in-law John DAVIES. Can you perhaps help with this last one? Best regards Gordon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have just tried Findmypast (whose new search tool beats anything offered by any of the other sites) and have drawn a blank there too. Unless someone else finds the marriage I think you may just have to bite the bullet and pay over £9.25 to the GRO for one of the children's birth certificates! Jane Parr Hancock's birth was registered in the Wirral district in the third quarter of 1893, 8a 499 (to save you having to look it up if you haven't already) Angelika On 15/01/2011 15:03, Preulet@aol.com wrote: > Hi Folks > > I am hoping someone may know/have the full/last name of the wife of : > > > HANCOCK, Thomas bap. February 11, 1849 Thurstaston, Cheshire > died January 27, 1912 Thurstaston, Cheshire > > who married sometime after 1891 census to: > > Isabella "Bella" ca 1867 Scotland (per census) > > having 2 daughters Jane Parr HANCOCK and Margaret HANCOCK > > HANCOCK, Thomas is the son of : > > > PARR, Jane bap April 24, 1822, Woodchurch burial September 19, 1881, > Heswall married > HANCOCK, Charles bap April 16, 1810 Heswall --- burial June 03, 1858 > Heswall > > Jane PARR was the daughter of Thomas PARR (1780-1871) and Sarah > POSTLETHWAITE (1783-1857) both of West Kirby > > I've already exhausted my usual haunts - Lancashire BMD, Cheshire BMD, > familysearch pilot, and Ancestry.com for the marriage to no avail. > > Thank you& keeping my fingers crossed :-) > > Regards > Eleanor > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Eleanor, There is a marriage in 1893 of Isabella Stocks and since Jane Parr Hancock's birth is registered 1893 this might be it? All the best, Marian ----- Original Message ----- From: <Preulet@aol.com> To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 3:03 PM Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] HANCOCK, Thomas's son of Jane PARR > Hi Folks > > I am hoping someone may know/have the full/last name of the wife of : > > > HANCOCK, Thomas bap. February 11, 1849 Thurstaston, Cheshire > died January 27, 1912 Thurstaston, > Cheshire > > who married sometime after 1891 census to: > > Isabella "Bella" ca 1867 Scotland (per census) > > having 2 daughters Jane Parr HANCOCK and Margaret HANCOCK > > HANCOCK, Thomas is the son of : > > > PARR, Jane bap April 24, 1822, Woodchurch burial September 19, 1881, > Heswall married > HANCOCK, Charles bap April 16, 1810 Heswall --- burial June 03, 1858 > Heswall > > Jane PARR was the daughter of Thomas PARR (1780-1871) and Sarah > POSTLETHWAITE (1783-1857) both of West Kirby > > I've already exhausted my usual haunts - Lancashire BMD, Cheshire BMD, > familysearch pilot, and Ancestry.com for the marriage to no avail. > > Thank you & keeping my fingers crossed :-) > > Regards > Eleanor > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email