Perhaps quite a lot of them set off for somewhere else, intending to sail from Liverpool, but either ran out of money (remember that movie "The Informer" with Victor McLaglen?) or perhaps met someone who kept them there. I think my German great grandfather from Hanover may have been on his way but he ended his days in England - presumably having met his Scottish wife in Liverpool. Who knows? Marged Carolyn wrote >Reminds us all of how central Liverpool has been in the movement of all >kinds of >people. But by no means everyone has used Liverpool simply as a transit camp, of course. My ancestor Miles FELLS features in the Liverpool Burgess Roll of 1565 and in Liverpool Town Books of the same era. And here am I - his 11 x great-grandson - still hanging around the old place almost 450 years later! :-) Gordon From: "Carolyn Perkes" <cperkes@videotron.ca> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 2:45 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Fw: [Liverpool-Memories] Emigration ofJewish refugees >On 16-Jan-11, at 4:39 AM, Marged wrote: >From Liverpool 1882 >On new snippets page >Please support free sites >http://www.old-merseytimes.co.uk/index.html >Jane > >Yes thank you both for posting these documents from Liverpool about >Jewish emigration. I have just started to look into daughter's >paternal line (part of which is Jewish from Russia, folks fleeing the >pogroms, and I found one branch at the Ellis Island site who went from >Odessa via Liverpool to New York). >It is very challenging trying to find traces. >The snippets posted here provide very useful context. Reminds us all >of how central Liverpool has been in the movement of all kinds of >people. >Carolyn ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3387 - Release Date: 01/17/11 19:34:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3387 - Release Date: 01/17/11 19:34:00

That's impressive Gordon! Marian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Evans" <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Fw: [Liverpool-Memories] Emigration ofJewishrefugees > Carolyn wrote > >>Reminds us all of how central Liverpool has been in the movement of all >>kinds of >>people. > > But by no means everyone has used Liverpool simply as a transit camp, of > course. > My ancestor Miles FELLS features in the Liverpool Burgess Roll of 1565 > and in Liverpool Town Books of the same era. > > And here am I - his 11 x great-grandson - still hanging around the old > place > almost 450 years later! :-) > > Gordon > > From: "Carolyn Perkes" <cperkes@videotron.ca> > To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 2:45 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Fw: [Liverpool-Memories] Emigration ofJewish > refugees > >>On 16-Jan-11, at 4:39 AM, Marged wrote: >>From Liverpool 1882 >>On new snippets page >>Please support free sites >>http://www.old-merseytimes.co.uk/index.html >>Jane >> >>Yes thank you both for posting these documents from Liverpool about >>Jewish emigration. I have just started to look into daughter's >>paternal line (part of which is Jewish from Russia, folks fleeing the >>pogroms, and I found one branch at the Ellis Island site who went from >>Odessa via Liverpool to New York). >>It is very challenging trying to find traces. >>The snippets posted here provide very useful context. Reminds us all >>of how central Liverpool has been in the movement of all kinds of >>people. >>Carolyn > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email

Hi Eleanor Hope you don,t mind me butting in here but do you know if there is a Replica of the U.S. Frigate Constellation in Connecticut ? I would love a couple of photos of her Cheers George --- On Tue, 18/1/11, Preulet@aol.com <Preulet@aol.com> wrote: From: Preulet@aol.com <Preulet@aol.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] HANCOCK, Thomas's son of Jane PARR To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, 18 January, 2011, 0:33 Hi Gordon, Thanks for posting this.  Coincidence, you entered  Mystic  Seaport as I spent the day in Connecticut, my first outing in more than 3 years.  That's a nice painting, am happy for you that you could get some sort of  imagery for your records.  I waited too long to start my genealogy so have very few  snippets even through family.  All I know of my great grandmother from  England is that some of her kids nick-named her "Queen Elizabeth" do  to her expecting folks to wait on her, (no offense to your Queen). I regret not having an interest when my grandmothers were alive, and my  grandfathers I never met. Although I once asked my paternal grandmother about  why she came to the U.S. and I asked her to tell me about my grandfather and was  answered that children should be seen and not heard and to mind my own business.  So every little thing I can get  makes me feel blessed. Thanks for sharing Eleanor In a message dated 1/17/2011 3:46:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com writes: Hi  Eleanor Yes, you have the right vessel, a little more detail concerning  which can be seen at  :- http://library.mysticseaport.org/initiative/SPSearch.cfm?ID=955252 Some  27 years earlier - in 1856, in New York - my great-grandfather  William EVANS (b1830 New Brighton) joined an American-built,  American-owned vessel called the GLENBURN as first mate  :- http://library.mysticseaport.org/initiative/SPSearch.cfm?ID=4306 This  ship tramped the world (Burma, Australia, Cuba, Italy, Spain,  France, Brazil & Uruguay) for almost seven years without ever returning  to America, until she was arrested & sold by the Admiratly Marshall in  Liverpool in April 1863 following a petition by the crew for non-payment of  wages (and presumably lack of holidays!). She was sold to a firm in  Llanelli, South Wales, and re-named GLAN MOR under the British flag  :- http://library.mysticseaport.org/initiative/SPSearch.cfm?ID=632038 The  GLAN MOR was lost in the River St Lawrence, near Quebec, on 28  April 1869. Although I have no documentary evidence whatsoever to  prove it, my grandfather Edward Glenburn EVANS is known to have been born  on board this vessel in 1861, somewhere between Cadiz (Spain) and  Montevideo (Uruguay). I had to purchase my pics of the BLYTHSWOOD (at  not inconsiderable expense) from the Maritime Museum in London, but by a  stroke of luck was able to download a pic of grandad's birthplace for free  when a painting of the GLENBURN came up for auction in the USA some 11  years ago  :- http://www.artnet.com/artist/558930/michele-renault.html My  collection of 'snippets' isn't just down to good fortune, by the way. It's  taken my family (mostly two of my younger brothers plus kind cousins such  as Yvonne and Pam) over 30 years of hard graft to get where we  are today.  :-) Regards Gordon From:  <Preulet@aol.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent:  Sunday, January 16, 2011 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] HANCOCK,  Thomas's son of Jane PARR >Hi Gordon, >What a very interesting  piece of family history.  You are fortunate to  be >able to  collect these snippets to add to your family's history.  Is  the >Blythswood ship you mention - the one built 1875 Robert Duncan  & Co Port >Glasgow, Yard No 90 owner C.E. Wolf?  I was trying  to see if there was a >photo >online but  no. >Regards >Eleanor ------------------------------- To  unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to  ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the  quotes in the subject and the body of the  message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carolyn wrote >Reminds us all of how central Liverpool has been in the movement of all >kinds of >people. But by no means everyone has used Liverpool simply as a transit camp, of course. My ancestor Miles FELLS features in the Liverpool Burgess Roll of 1565 and in Liverpool Town Books of the same era. And here am I - his 11 x great-grandson - still hanging around the old place almost 450 years later! :-) Gordon From: "Carolyn Perkes" <cperkes@videotron.ca> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 2:45 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Fw: [Liverpool-Memories] Emigration ofJewish refugees >On 16-Jan-11, at 4:39 AM, Marged wrote: >From Liverpool 1882 >On new snippets page >Please support free sites >http://www.old-merseytimes.co.uk/index.html >Jane > >Yes thank you both for posting these documents from Liverpool about >Jewish emigration. I have just started to look into daughter's >paternal line (part of which is Jewish from Russia, folks fleeing the >pogroms, and I found one branch at the Ellis Island site who went from >Odessa via Liverpool to New York). >It is very challenging trying to find traces. >The snippets posted here provide very useful context. Reminds us all >of how central Liverpool has been in the movement of all kinds of >people. >Carolyn

Hi George, No there isn't. The Constellation is in Maryland, I think you are questioning the original Constellation? _U.S.S. Constellation_ (http://www.historicships.org/constellation.html) Inner Harbor, Baltimore Type: 24-Gun Corvette / Sloop-of-War || Launched: 1854 || Commissioned: 1855 || Decommissioned: ca.1950 National Historic Landmark The only surviving Civil War ship and the last sailing ship built by the US Navy. It was built at the same time and place the original U.S. Frigate Constellation (1797) was being dismantled - at Norfolk Navy Yard in Virginia. Much of the original ship was used in the construction of the new ship. The Constellation I believe is now a museum. I hope to get to Inner Harbor in the spring/summer. If you'd like I probably can pick up photos for you. Below are 2 websites you may want to look at. _http://www.hnsa.org/ships/constellation.htm_ (http://www.hnsa.org/ships/constellation.htm) = _http://tiny.cc/3r3vl_ (http://tiny.cc/3r3vl) _http://www.navsource.org/archives/09/46/46020.htm_ (http://www.navsource.org/archives/09/46/46020.htm) = _http://tiny.cc/ydmtn_ (http://tiny.cc/ydmtn) Hope this helps Best Wishes Eleanor In a message dated 1/18/2011 6:00:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, george.highton@btinternet.com writes: Hi Eleanor Hope you don,t mind me butting in here but do you know if there is a Replica of the U.S. Frigate Constellation in Connecticut ? I would love a couple of photos of her Cheers George --- On Tue, 18/1/11, Preulet@aol.com <Preulet@aol.com> wrote: From: Preulet@aol.com <Preulet@aol.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] HANCOCK, Thomas's son of Jane PARR To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, 18 January, 2011, 0:33 Hi Gordon, Thanks for posting this. Coincidence, you entered Mystic Seaport as I spent the day in Connecticut, my first outing in more than 3 years. That's a nice painting, am happy for you that you could get some sort of imagery for your records. I waited too long to start my genealogy so have very few snippets even through family. All I know of my great grandmother from England is that some of her kids nick-named her "Queen Elizabeth" do to her expecting folks to wait on her, (no offense to your Queen). I regret not having an interest when my grandmothers were alive, and my grandfathers I never met. Although I once asked my paternal grandmother about why she came to the U.S. and I asked her to tell me about my grandfather and was answered that children should be seen and not heard and to mind my own business. So every little thing I can get makes me feel blessed. Thanks for sharing Eleanor In a message dated 1/17/2011 3:46:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com writes: Hi Eleanor Yes, you have the right vessel, a little more detail concerning which can be seen at :- http://library.mysticseaport.org/initiative/SPSearch.cfm?ID=955252 Some 27 years earlier - in 1856, in New York - my great-grandfather William EVANS (b1830 New Brighton) joined an American-built, American-owned vessel called the GLENBURN as first mate :- http://library.mysticseaport.org/initiative/SPSearch.cfm?ID=4306 This ship tramped the world (Burma, Australia, Cuba, Italy, Spain, France, Brazil & Uruguay) for almost seven years without ever returning to America, until she was arrested & sold by the Admiratly Marshall in Liverpool in April 1863 following a petition by the crew for non-payment of wages (and presumably lack of holidays!). She was sold to a firm in Llanelli, South Wales, and re-named GLAN MOR under the British flag :- http://library.mysticseaport.org/initiative/SPSearch.cfm?ID=632038 The GLAN MOR was lost in the River St Lawrence, near Quebec, on 28 April 1869. Although I have no documentary evidence whatsoever to prove it, my grandfather Edward Glenburn EVANS is known to have been born on board this vessel in 1861, somewhere between Cadiz (Spain) and Montevideo (Uruguay). I had to purchase my pics of the BLYTHSWOOD (at not inconsiderable expense) from the Maritime Museum in London, but by a stroke of luck was able to download a pic of grandad's birthplace for free when a painting of the GLENBURN came up for auction in the USA some 11 years ago :- http://www.artnet.com/artist/558930/michele-renault.html My collection of 'snippets' isn't just down to good fortune, by the way. It's taken my family (mostly two of my younger brothers plus kind cousins such as Yvonne and Pam) over 30 years of hard graft to get where we are today. :-) Regards Gordon From: <Preulet@aol.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2011 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] HANCOCK, Thomas's son of Jane PARR >Hi Gordon, >What a very interesting piece of family history. You are fortunate to be >able to collect these snippets to add to your family's history. Is the >Blythswood ship you mention - the one built 1875 Robert Duncan & Co Port >Glasgow, Yard No 90 owner C.E. Wolf? I was trying to see if there was a >photo >online but no. >Regards >Eleanor ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Eleanor, How sad! Marian ----- Original Message ----- From: <Preulet@aol.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 12:33 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] HANCOCK, Thomas's son of Jane PARR > Hi Gordon, > > Thanks for posting this. Coincidence, you entered Mystic Seaport as I > spent the day in Connecticut, my first outing in more than 3 years. > > That's a nice painting, am happy for you that you could get some sort of > imagery for your records. > > I waited too long to start my genealogy so have very few snippets even > through family. All I know of my great grandmother from England is that > some > of her kids nick-named her "Queen Elizabeth" do to her expecting folks to > wait on her, (no offense to your Queen). > > I regret not having an interest when my grandmothers were alive, and my > grandfathers I never met. Although I once asked my paternal grandmother > about > why she came to the U.S. and I asked her to tell me about my grandfather > and was answered that children should be seen and not heard and to mind > my > own business. So every little thing I can get makes me feel blessed. > > Thanks for sharing > Eleanor > > > > In a message dated 1/17/2011 3:46:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com writes: > > Hi Eleanor > > Yes, you have the right vessel, a little more detail concerning which can > be > seen at :- > > http://library.mysticseaport.org/initiative/SPSearch.cfm?ID=955252 > > Some 27 years earlier - in 1856, in New York - my great-grandfather > William > EVANS (b1830 New Brighton) joined an American-built, American-owned > vessel called the GLENBURN as first mate :- > > http://library.mysticseaport.org/initiative/SPSearch.cfm?ID=4306 > > This ship tramped the world (Burma, Australia, Cuba, Italy, Spain, > France, > Brazil & Uruguay) for almost seven years without ever returning to > America, > until she was arrested & sold by the Admiratly Marshall in Liverpool in > April 1863 following a petition by the crew for non-payment of wages (and > presumably lack of holidays!). She was sold to a firm in Llanelli, South > Wales, and re-named GLAN MOR under the British flag :- > > http://library.mysticseaport.org/initiative/SPSearch.cfm?ID=632038 > > The GLAN MOR was lost in the River St Lawrence, near Quebec, on 28 April > 1869. > > Although I have no documentary evidence whatsoever to prove it, my > grandfather Edward Glenburn EVANS is known to have been born on board > this > vessel in 1861, somewhere between Cadiz (Spain) and Montevideo (Uruguay). > > I had to purchase my pics of the BLYTHSWOOD (at not inconsiderable > expense) > from the Maritime Museum in London, but by a stroke of luck was able to > download a pic of grandad's birthplace for free when a painting of the > GLENBURN came up for auction in the USA some 11 years ago :- > > http://www.artnet.com/artist/558930/michele-renault.html > > My collection of 'snippets' isn't just down to good fortune, by the way. > It's taken my family (mostly two of my younger brothers plus kind cousins > such as Yvonne and Pam) over 30 years of hard graft to get where we are > today. :-) > > Regards > Gordon > > From: <Preulet@aol.com> > To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2011 10:05 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] HANCOCK, Thomas's son of Jane PARR > >>Hi Gordon, >>What a very interesting piece of family history. You are fortunate to >>be >>able to collect these snippets to add to your family's history. Is the >>Blythswood ship you mention - the one built 1875 Robert Duncan & Co Port >>Glasgow, Yard No 90 owner C.E. Wolf? I was trying to see if there was a >>photo >>online but no. >>Regards >>Eleanor > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email

On 16-Jan-11, at 4:39 AM, Marged wrote: > > >> From Liverpool 1882 > On new snippets page > Please support free sites > > http://www.old-merseytimes.co.uk/index.html > Jane > Yes thank you both for posting these documents from Liverpool about Jewish emigration. I have just started to look into daughter's paternal line (part of which is Jewish from Russia, folks fleeing the pogroms, and I found one branch at the Ellis Island site who went from Odessa via Liverpool to New York). It is very challenging trying to find traces. The snippets posted here provide very useful context. Reminds us all of how central Liverpool has been in the movement of all kinds of people. Carolyn

Hi Gordon, Thanks for posting this. Coincidence, you entered Mystic Seaport as I spent the day in Connecticut, my first outing in more than 3 years. That's a nice painting, am happy for you that you could get some sort of imagery for your records. I waited too long to start my genealogy so have very few snippets even through family. All I know of my great grandmother from England is that some of her kids nick-named her "Queen Elizabeth" do to her expecting folks to wait on her, (no offense to your Queen). I regret not having an interest when my grandmothers were alive, and my grandfathers I never met. Although I once asked my paternal grandmother about why she came to the U.S. and I asked her to tell me about my grandfather and was answered that children should be seen and not heard and to mind my own business. So every little thing I can get makes me feel blessed. Thanks for sharing Eleanor In a message dated 1/17/2011 3:46:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com writes: Hi Eleanor Yes, you have the right vessel, a little more detail concerning which can be seen at :- http://library.mysticseaport.org/initiative/SPSearch.cfm?ID=955252 Some 27 years earlier - in 1856, in New York - my great-grandfather William EVANS (b1830 New Brighton) joined an American-built, American-owned vessel called the GLENBURN as first mate :- http://library.mysticseaport.org/initiative/SPSearch.cfm?ID=4306 This ship tramped the world (Burma, Australia, Cuba, Italy, Spain, France, Brazil & Uruguay) for almost seven years without ever returning to America, until she was arrested & sold by the Admiratly Marshall in Liverpool in April 1863 following a petition by the crew for non-payment of wages (and presumably lack of holidays!). She was sold to a firm in Llanelli, South Wales, and re-named GLAN MOR under the British flag :- http://library.mysticseaport.org/initiative/SPSearch.cfm?ID=632038 The GLAN MOR was lost in the River St Lawrence, near Quebec, on 28 April 1869. Although I have no documentary evidence whatsoever to prove it, my grandfather Edward Glenburn EVANS is known to have been born on board this vessel in 1861, somewhere between Cadiz (Spain) and Montevideo (Uruguay). I had to purchase my pics of the BLYTHSWOOD (at not inconsiderable expense) from the Maritime Museum in London, but by a stroke of luck was able to download a pic of grandad's birthplace for free when a painting of the GLENBURN came up for auction in the USA some 11 years ago :- http://www.artnet.com/artist/558930/michele-renault.html My collection of 'snippets' isn't just down to good fortune, by the way. It's taken my family (mostly two of my younger brothers plus kind cousins such as Yvonne and Pam) over 30 years of hard graft to get where we are today. :-) Regards Gordon From: <Preulet@aol.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2011 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] HANCOCK, Thomas's son of Jane PARR >Hi Gordon, >What a very interesting piece of family history. You are fortunate to be >able to collect these snippets to add to your family's history. Is the >Blythswood ship you mention - the one built 1875 Robert Duncan & Co Port >Glasgow, Yard No 90 owner C.E. Wolf? I was trying to see if there was a >photo >online but no. >Regards >Eleanor ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, Many thanks, Elizabeth, for your reply. I'm quite sure also, that NEWBAT is a transcription error for NEWPORT. I would have put money on thinking that Hannah NEWBAT's baptism in Cprd, Bidston, would be the only NEWBAT baptism entry, and so it is, but there is a fascinating tiny cluster of NEWBAT burials, also, which I'm sure relate to Hannah's family. Their occupations interest me too. What was happening in the household (which household?) at Saughall (I'm presuming it's Saughall Massie)? Was there some sort of outbreak of illness? Baptism Bidston: 26 May 1735 Hannah NEWBAT, dau. Of John NEWBAT, Occupation: *Householde, SAGH Burials Bidston: 15 February 1734 Hannah NEWBAT, wife of Henry NEWBAT, SAGH 7 May 1734 Henry NEWBAT, Occupation: *Housekeepe, SAGH 25 October 1734 John NEWBAT, Occupation: Housekeeper, FRAN Ideas, anyone? Kind regards, Yvonne

Hi Eleanor Yes, you have the right vessel, a little more detail concerning which can be seen at :- http://library.mysticseaport.org/initiative/SPSearch.cfm?ID=955252 Some 27 years earlier - in 1856, in New York - my great-grandfather William EVANS (b1830 New Brighton) joined an American-built, American-owned vessel called the GLENBURN as first mate :- http://library.mysticseaport.org/initiative/SPSearch.cfm?ID=4306 This ship tramped the world (Burma, Australia, Cuba, Italy, Spain, France, Brazil & Uruguay) for almost seven years without ever returning to America, until she was arrested & sold by the Admiratly Marshall in Liverpool in April 1863 following a petition by the crew for non-payment of wages (and presumably lack of holidays!). She was sold to a firm in Llanelli, South Wales, and re-named GLAN MOR under the British flag :- http://library.mysticseaport.org/initiative/SPSearch.cfm?ID=632038 The GLAN MOR was lost in the River St Lawrence, near Quebec, on 28 April 1869. Although I have no documentary evidence whatsoever to prove it, my grandfather Edward Glenburn EVANS is known to have been born on board this vessel in 1861, somewhere between Cadiz (Spain) and Montevideo (Uruguay). I had to purchase my pics of the BLYTHSWOOD (at not inconsiderable expense) from the Maritime Museum in London, but by a stroke of luck was able to download a pic of grandad's birthplace for free when a painting of the GLENBURN came up for auction in the USA some 11 years ago :- http://www.artnet.com/artist/558930/michele-renault.html My collection of 'snippets' isn't just down to good fortune, by the way. It's taken my family (mostly two of my younger brothers plus kind cousins such as Yvonne and Pam) over 30 years of hard graft to get where we are today. :-) Regards Gordon From: <Preulet@aol.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2011 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] HANCOCK, Thomas's son of Jane PARR >Hi Gordon, >What a very interesting piece of family history. You are fortunate to be >able to collect these snippets to add to your family's history. Is the >Blythswood ship you mention - the one built 1875 Robert Duncan & Co Port >Glasgow, Yard No 90 owner C.E. Wolf? I was trying to see if there was a >photo >online but no. >Regards >Eleanor

Just as an aside, 330 Argyle Street (where the bottled drinks salesman's family were living in 1871) was in the Blythswood district of Glasgow. My great-grandfather William EVANS (b1830 New Brighton) was master of a Glasgow-built, Greenock-registered iron sailing-ship called BLYTHSWOOD in the 1880's, which plied between Liverpool and India. There are some photographs of her many years later, looking in a very sorry state, in a two-volumed book entitled "Shipping Wonders of the World: a saga of the sea in story and pictures," edited by Clarence Winchester (Amalgamated Press Ltd London). The photos appear in volume 1, in a chapter entitled "The menace of the derelict", the caption reading "Burnt out. A barque, the Lysglimt ex Pesca ex BLYTHSWOOD, drifting in mid-ocean after fire had caused her to be abandoned on May 4th 1921. This photograph was taken on May 25th 1921, but the derelict did not sink until July of that year. These pictures show how the flames had left nothing but a charred hulk,dangerous to shipping". Fortunately, I also have two photographs of her when (with great-grandad in charge) she was still in pristine condition. :-) Regards Gordon From: "Gordon Evans" <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2011 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] HANCOCK, Thomas's son of Jane PARR >Hi Eleanor >In the 1871 Census :- >330 Argyle Street, Barony, Glasgow, Scotland >David TENNANT, 32, salesman of bottled drinks, b Lanarkshire Old Monkland >Mary, wife, 24, Renfrewshire Greenock >Margaret Barr, daur, 10, Renfrewshire Renfrew >Isabella, daur, 5, Lanarkshire Glasgow >James Archibald, son, 3, Lanarkshire Rutherglen >Best wishes >Gordon

Hi Gordon, What a very interesting piece of family history. You are fortunate to be able to collect these snippets to add to your family's history. Is the Blythswood ship you mention - the one built 1875 Robert Duncan & Co Port Glasgow, Yard No 90 owner C.E. Wolf? I was trying to see if there was a photo online but no. Regards Eleanor In a message dated 1/16/2011 4:18:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com writes: Just as an aside, 330 Argyle Street (where the bottled drinks salesman's family were living in 1871) was in the Blythswood district of Glasgow. My great-grandfather William EVANS (b1830 New Brighton) was master of a Glasgow-built, Greenock-registered iron sailing-ship called BLYTHSWOOD in the 1880's, which plied between Liverpool and India. There are some photographs of her many years later, looking in a very sorry state, in a two-volumed book entitled "Shipping Wonders of the World: a saga of the sea in story and pictures," edited by Clarence Winchester (Amalgamated Press Ltd London). The photos appear in volume 1, in a chapter entitled "The menace of the derelict", the caption reading "Burnt out. A barque, the Lysglimt ex Pesca ex BLYTHSWOOD, drifting in mid-ocean after fire had caused her to be abandoned on May 4th 1921. This photograph was taken on May 25th 1921, but the derelict did not sink until July of that year. These pictures show how the flames had left nothing but a charred hulk,dangerous to shipping". Fortunately, I also have two photographs of her when (with great-grandad in charge) she was still in pristine condition. :-) Regards Gordon From: "Gordon Evans" <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2011 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] HANCOCK, Thomas's son of Jane PARR >Hi Eleanor >In the 1871 Census :- >330 Argyle Street, Barony, Glasgow, Scotland >David TENNANT, 32, salesman of bottled drinks, b Lanarkshire Old Monkland >Mary, wife, 24, Renfrewshire Greenock >Margaret Barr, daur, 10, Renfrewshire Renfrew >Isabella, daur, 5, Lanarkshire Glasgow >James Archibald, son, 3, Lanarkshire Rutherglen >Best wishes >Gordon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yvonne, It is entirely possible. I have found in transcribing that a word badly written can look like something different. Also I have found that the same surnames are written (or heard) differently from registrar to registrar. Also, try checking your surnames with 'Black's surnames of Scotland' and you can often confirm whether the spelling is 'likely'. I would bet that your Newport/Newbat dilemma is just a transcription error. Elizabeth > From: YvonnePurdy <von@yvonnepurdy.free-online.co.uk> > Reply-To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> > Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 16:31:16 -0000 > To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Hannah NEWPORT or is it NEWBAT? > > Hi all, > > > > I'm trying to follow in Gordon's footsteps with a bit of lateral thinking. > Hannah Silcock (Sincock's) burial > gives her age in 1795 as 61, therefore she should be born c.1734. I've just > come across a baptism in Cprd, in > Bidston, on 26 May 1735 of a Hannah NEWBAT, daughter of John, Occupation > *Householde, SAGH. Could this > possibly be Hannah NEWPORT, and her dad had (a) a heavy cold, (b) a strong > accent, or (c) the vicar was > slightly hard of hearing? > > > > Kind regards, Yvonne > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, I'm trying to follow in Gordon's footsteps with a bit of lateral thinking. Hannah Silcock (Sincock's) burial gives her age in 1795 as 61, therefore she should be born c.1734. I've just come across a baptism in Cprd, in Bidston, on 26 May 1735 of a Hannah NEWBAT, daughter of John, Occupation *Householde, SAGH. Could this possibly be Hannah NEWPORT, and her dad had (a) a heavy cold, (b) a strong accent, or (c) the vicar was slightly hard of hearing? Kind regards, Yvonne

Hi Marian, Many thanks for your reply. The record wasn't from the IGI, but the more recent family search/pilot site. The references it cited were the film No 2103920, and item 9, p. 15, but I'm certain that Gordon has the right of it now, and her burial IS in the cprd, under SINCOCK. This family's turning my hair grey!! Kind regards, Yvonne > From: eng-merseyside-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-merseyside-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marian Foster Sent: 16 January 2011 15:34 To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] FamilySearch.org - Hannah SILCOCK Hi Yvonne, Did the IGI say what the source was? It may just not have been transcribed onto the Cheshire database yet. Maybe someone with transcripts of parish regs could look it up for you? Have you tried FreeReg? Marian <

Hi Gordon, Many thanks and very well spotted. That's so much better!! With my grateful and kind regards, Von > From: eng-merseyside-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-merseyside-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Evans Sent: 16 January 2011 15:55 To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] FamilySearch.org - Hannah SILCOCK Hi Von Your ancestor's burial is of course more likely to be this one, which IS in the CPRdb :- Bidston St Oswald 27 September 1795 Hannah, wife of Robert SINCOK of Greasby, aged 61 Placing her birth year 1733/4? Best Gordon <

Hi Von Your ancestor's burial is of course more likely to be this one, which IS in the CPRdb :- Bidston St Oswald 27 September 1795 Hannah, wife of Robert SINCOK of Greasby, aged 61 Placing her birth year 1733/4? Best Gordon From: "YvonnePurdy" <von@yvonnepurdy.free-online.co.uk> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2011 3:12 PM Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] FamilySearch.org - Hannah SILCOCK >Hi all, >Can someone please advise me. I've just been checking the FamilySearch.org >records, and was surprised to come > across a burial record on 29 November 1778 at Bidstone (sic), for Hannah > SILCOCK, father Henry NEWPORT. This > very much looks like the burial of my 5 x gt. Grandmother. Her son Henry > SILOCK was baptised at Bidston on > the same day, but I can find no matching burial record on the Cheshire > Parish Register Database? >Familysearch give a Film No. 2103920 and a ref. Item 9 page 15. >Can anyone suggest why Cheshire Parish Register Database doesn't include >this burial record, or are there >further records available to be searched (such as the Film No. given >above)? > If Henry NEWPORT was indeed the father of Hannah, there are two NEWPORT > baptism records at Bidston: >12 April 1749 Ann daughter of Henry, *SAGH >29 May 1752 Hannah daughter of Henry and Ann *SAGM >It would suggest that Hannah was very young indeed at marriage on 13 >January 1761, even if she hadn't been >baptised as a new baby? >Kind regards, Yvonne

Hi Yvonne, Did the IGI say what the source was? It may just not have been transcribed onto the Cheshire database yet. Maybe someone with transcripts of parish regs could look it up for you? Have you tried FreeReg? Marian ----- Original Message ----- From: "YvonnePurdy" <von@yvonnepurdy.free-online.co.uk> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2011 3:12 PM Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] FamilySearch.org - Hannah SILCOCK > Hi all, > > > > Can someone please advise me. I've just been checking the > FamilySearch.org records, and was surprised to come > across a burial record on 29 November 1778 at Bidstone (sic), for Hannah > SILCOCK, father Henry NEWPORT. This > very much looks like the burial of my 5 x gt. Grandmother. Her son Henry > SILOCK was baptised at Bidston on > the same day, but I can find no matching burial record on the Cheshire > Parish Register Database? > > > > Familysearch give a Film No. 2103920 and a ref. Item 9 page 15. > > > > Can anyone suggest why Cheshire Parish Register Database doesn't include > this burial record, or are there > further records available to be searched (such as the Film No. given > above)? > > > > If Henry NEWPORT was indeed the father of Hannah, there are two NEWPORT > baptism records at Bidston: > > > > 12 April 1749 Ann daughter of Henry, *SAGH > > > > 29 May 1752 Hannah daughter of Henry and Ann *SAGM > > > > It would suggest that Hannah was very young indeed at marriage on 13 > January 1761, even if she hadn't been > baptised as a new baby? > > > > Kind regards, Yvonne > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email

Hi all, Can someone please advise me. I've just been checking the FamilySearch.org records, and was surprised to come across a burial record on 29 November 1778 at Bidstone (sic), for Hannah SILCOCK, father Henry NEWPORT. This very much looks like the burial of my 5 x gt. Grandmother. Her son Henry SILOCK was baptised at Bidston on the same day, but I can find no matching burial record on the Cheshire Parish Register Database? Familysearch give a Film No. 2103920 and a ref. Item 9 page 15. Can anyone suggest why Cheshire Parish Register Database doesn't include this burial record, or are there further records available to be searched (such as the Film No. given above)? If Henry NEWPORT was indeed the father of Hannah, there are two NEWPORT baptism records at Bidston: 12 April 1749 Ann daughter of Henry, *SAGH 29 May 1752 Hannah daughter of Henry and Ann *SAGM It would suggest that Hannah was very young indeed at marriage on 13 January 1761, even if she hadn't been baptised as a new baby? Kind regards, Yvonne

Hi Eleanor There would seem a choice of two households for Thomas HANCOCK's wife Bella in the 1871 Census :- Gidion Street, Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland David TENNANT, W, 67, labourer, b Bathgate Catherine, daur, U, 40, Bathgate David, son, W, 36, labourer, Bathgate Jane, grandaur, 10, Bathgate David, grandson, 8, Bathgate Isabella, grandaur, 5, Bathgate David CAMERON, grandson, 5, Bathgate 330 Argyle Street, Barony, Glasgow, Scotland David TENNANT, 32, salesman of bottled drinks, b Lanarkshire Old Monkland Mary, wife, 24, Renfrewshire Greenock Margaret Barr, daur, 10, Renfrewshire Renfrew Isabella, daur, 5, Lanarkshire Glasgow James Archibald, son, 3, Lanarkshire Rutherglen Given that her birthplace is given as Glasgow in 1911 the second one appears the most likely - Mary patently being David TENNANT's second wife? Best wishes Gordon From: <Preulet@aol.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2011 3:50 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] HANCOCK, Thomas's son of Jane PARR >Hi Gordon, >Sorry, I'm feeling a tad guilty that while you were so busy working on my >case I needed to go run out to catch the last day of the can-can sale >(grocery stock-up). The sale only happens 2 x a year. -- not that you >care :-) >and now that I'm back - England is probably asleep >Boy you were really busy sleuthing while I was gone. Thank you so very >much. >Yes, this lady is looking real good. I totally agree with your evaluation >of Margaret being named after her mother, given Jane Parr HANCOCK was named >after her mother-in-law. >Wow! You really resolved my curiosity regarding Henry HANCOCK. I shan't >be wondering about him anymore, however do you think he may somehow be >related to Al GORE, former U.S. vice president? Hmmm? ;-) No, let's not >go >there. >Seriously, I'm very grateful to you and others on this board who have >graciously offered their time and efforts >in solving this mystery. >Enjoy the day! >Best Wishes >Eleanor