Not today you wouldn't! It's teeming here in Liverpool. Found a couple of entries in Family History Online: 1851 census: Harriett Barton Fund Holder ESS. Colchester Liverpool Rodney Street 2182/2 0382a 461/6 Burial: Name Harriett BARTON Date 31 Oct 1834 Aged 19m Place Beaumont cum Moze Description St Leonard Denomination Anglican County code ESS -----Original Message----- From: Lainee Denton-Jones [mailto:lainee@earthlink.net] Sent: 26 March 2005 13:47 To: ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [ENG-MERSEY] James Barton father and son I dunno where Harriet was born since I have never found her or Senior on a census. At least these give me something to look at. Only James Barton married to a Harriet I have ever found is: BARTON, James Marriage Wife: Harriet BROWN Marriage Date: 17 Mar 1812 Recorded in: Whitwell, Hampshire, England Collection: Isle of Wight Source: FHL Film 1470893 Dates: 1799 - 1829 Haven't been able to find marriage for Junior and Elizabeth either...sure wished I lived there instead of Florida sometimes! LOL Thanks! Lainee At 08:35 AM 3/26/2005, Rachel Roberts wrote: >Lainee - sorry, you wanted his father, didn't you? > >Could only find these Harriets, but I guess there's no guarantee she was >born in Essex, is there? > >Harriet Baker 83 Wivenhoe, Essex, England Head St Giles Essex >Harriet Gunn 73 Wivenhoe, Essex, England Wife Wivenhoe Essex > >Emma Burton 45 Great Dunmow, Essex, England Daughter Great Dunmow Essex > >James Burton 76 Henham, Essex, England Head Great Dunmow Essex > > From 1861: >BARTON, Harriett Lodger Widow F 75 ... Of Works, born Sussex >BURTON, Harriet 65 F St George In The East >BUTTON, Harriet 67 F West Ham >BARNTON, James 69 M Bethnal Green >BARTON, James 69 M Pancras >BARTON, James 66 M Clerkenwell >BARTON, James 80 M Whitechapel >BARTON, James 74 M Farnham >BARTON, James 68 M Lexden >BURTON, James 65 M Kensington >BURTON, James 67 M St Martin In The Fields >BURTON, James 71 M Lambeth >BURTON, James 78 M Wandsworth >BURTON, James 74 M Medway >BURTON, James 67 M West Ashford >BURTON, James 64 M Brentford >BURTON, James 69 M Epping >BUTTON, James 75 M Dunmow >BUTTON, James 64 M Saffron Walden > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >---- > >RG number: >RG09 Piece: >343 Folio: >32 Page: >24 > >Registration District: >Newington Sub District: >St Peter Walworth Enumeration District: >46 Ecclesiastical District: >St Peters > >Parish: >St Mary Newington City/Municipal Borough: >Lambeth Address: >10 , Princes Street, Walworth > ><snip original message> -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.2 - Release Date: 3/25/2005 ==== ENG-MERSEYSIDE Mailing List ==== Lancashire Online Parish Clerks www.lan-opc.org.uk Volunteers needed for Liverpool Online Parish clerks www.lan-opc.org.uk/Liverpool/index.html ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Lainee - sorry, you wanted his father, didn't you? Could only find these Harriets, but I guess there's no guarantee she was born in Essex, is there? Harriet Baker 83 Wivenhoe, Essex, England Head St Giles Essex Harriet Gunn 73 Wivenhoe, Essex, England Wife Wivenhoe Essex Emma Burton 45 Great Dunmow, Essex, England Daughter Great Dunmow Essex James Burton 76 Henham, Essex, England Head Great Dunmow Essex From 1861: BARTON, Harriett Lodger Widow F 75 ... Of Works, born Sussex BURTON, Harriet 65 F St George In The East BUTTON, Harriet 67 F West Ham BARNTON, James 69 M Bethnal Green BARTON, James 69 M Pancras BARTON, James 66 M Clerkenwell BARTON, James 80 M Whitechapel BARTON, James 74 M Farnham BARTON, James 68 M Lexden BURTON, James 65 M Kensington BURTON, James 67 M St Martin In The Fields BURTON, James 71 M Lambeth BURTON, James 78 M Wandsworth BURTON, James 74 M Medway BURTON, James 67 M West Ashford BURTON, James 64 M Brentford BURTON, James 69 M Epping BUTTON, James 75 M Dunmow BUTTON, James 64 M Saffron Walden ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- RG number: RG09 Piece: 343 Folio: 32 Page: 24 Registration District: Newington Sub District: St Peter Walworth Enumeration District: 46 Ecclesiastical District: St Peters Parish: St Mary Newington City/Municipal Borough: Lambeth Address: 10 , Princes Street, Walworth -----Original Message----- From: Lainee Denton-Jones [mailto:lainee@earthlink.net] Sent: 26 March 2005 12:59 To: ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-MERSEY] James Barton father and son I have not been able to find my husbands 2nd greatgrandfather, James Barton, on a census anywhere. What I have is son of James Barton, James, who I fondly call Junior, was born in Wivenhoe, Essex: D/P227/1/6 entry 200 James Barton son of James and Harriet Barton born 3 June 1816 baptised 21 July 1816 at St MARY the Virgin Wivenhoe Essex. But showing in Toxteth Park in 1851 census: 1851 census index:- PRO piece no. HO 107/2187 Toxteth Park BARTON James 34 Timber Yard Labourer, Essex, Weverimbre? BARTON Elizabeth 36 Lancs. Liverpool Not sure where HO 107/2187 would be in Toxteth Park, but hoping you can locate Senior around there in one of the directories. For Junior I have the 1851, 1871 and 1881 censuses. I know I am probably asking the impossible, but hey, if ya don't ask ya don't know. :) Information I have states that both Junior and Senior were mariners...Junior's info I got from census records and I can't remember where I got Senior's from. Thanks in advance for any and all help, Lainee -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.2 - Release Date: 3/25/2005 ==== ENG-MERSEYSIDE Mailing List ==== Lancashire Online Parish Clerks www.lan-opc.org.uk Volunteers needed for Liverpool Online Parish clerks www.lan-opc.org.uk/Liverpool/index.html ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

I had been having a little trouble in tracking down my SIDDORN ancestors in Tarporley in the 1871, 1881 & 1891 censuses. I have now found them listed in those years as SIDDON. SIDDORNS and SIDDERNS respectively which I guess is not too far from the correct spelling of the name. What did seem just a little outlandish to me was Ancestry.com managing to transcribe the 1891 SIDDERNS to read LIDDERUS. Talk about making things difficult. I think I will stick with SIDDORN. Hope everyone is having a relaxing Easter break. Alan

Image sent off list -----Original Message----- From: Lainee Denton-Jones [mailto:lainee@earthlink.net] Sent: 26 March 2005 12:59 To: ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-MERSEY] James Barton father and son I have not been able to find my husbands 2nd greatgrandfather, James Barton, on a census anywhere. What I have is son of James Barton, James, who I fondly call Junior, was born in Wivenhoe, Essex: D/P227/1/6 entry 200 James Barton son of James and Harriet Barton born 3 June 1816 baptised 21 July 1816 at St MARY the Virgin Wivenhoe Essex. But showing in Toxteth Park in 1851 census: 1851 census index:- PRO piece no. HO 107/2187 Toxteth Park BARTON James 34 Timber Yard Labourer, Essex, Weverimbre? BARTON Elizabeth 36 Lancs. Liverpool Not sure where HO 107/2187 would be in Toxteth Park, but hoping you can locate Senior around there in one of the directories. For Junior I have the 1851, 1871 and 1881 censuses. I know I am probably asking the impossible, but hey, if ya don't ask ya don't know. :) Information I have states that both Junior and Senior were mariners...Junior's info I got from census records and I can't remember where I got Senior's from. Thanks in advance for any and all help, Lainee -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.2 - Release Date: 3/25/2005 ==== ENG-MERSEYSIDE Mailing List ==== Lancashire Online Parish Clerks www.lan-opc.org.uk Volunteers needed for Liverpool Online Parish clerks www.lan-opc.org.uk/Liverpool/index.html ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

I dunno where Harriet was born since I have never found her or Senior on a census. At least these give me something to look at. Only James Barton married to a Harriet I have ever found is: BARTON, James Marriage Wife: Harriet BROWN Marriage Date: 17 Mar 1812 Recorded in: Whitwell, Hampshire, England Collection: Isle of Wight Source: FHL Film 1470893 Dates: 1799 - 1829 Haven't been able to find marriage for Junior and Elizabeth either...sure wished I lived there instead of Florida sometimes! LOL Thanks! Lainee At 08:35 AM 3/26/2005, Rachel Roberts wrote: >Lainee - sorry, you wanted his father, didn't you? > >Could only find these Harriets, but I guess there's no guarantee she was >born in Essex, is there? > >Harriet Baker 83 Wivenhoe, Essex, England Head St Giles Essex >Harriet Gunn 73 Wivenhoe, Essex, England Wife Wivenhoe Essex > >Emma Burton 45 Great Dunmow, Essex, England Daughter Great Dunmow Essex > >James Burton 76 Henham, Essex, England Head Great Dunmow Essex > > From 1861: >BARTON, Harriett Lodger Widow F 75 ... Of Works, born Sussex >BURTON, Harriet 65 F St George In The East >BUTTON, Harriet 67 F West Ham >BARNTON, James 69 M Bethnal Green >BARTON, James 69 M Pancras >BARTON, James 66 M Clerkenwell >BARTON, James 80 M Whitechapel >BARTON, James 74 M Farnham >BARTON, James 68 M Lexden >BURTON, James 65 M Kensington >BURTON, James 67 M St Martin In The Fields >BURTON, James 71 M Lambeth >BURTON, James 78 M Wandsworth >BURTON, James 74 M Medway >BURTON, James 67 M West Ashford >BURTON, James 64 M Brentford >BURTON, James 69 M Epping >BUTTON, James 75 M Dunmow >BUTTON, James 64 M Saffron Walden > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >---- > >RG number: >RG09 Piece: >343 Folio: >32 Page: >24 > >Registration District: >Newington Sub District: >St Peter Walworth Enumeration District: >46 Ecclesiastical District: >St Peters > >Parish: >St Mary Newington City/Municipal Borough: >Lambeth Address: >10 , Princes Street, Walworth > ><snip original message> -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.2 - Release Date: 3/25/2005

I have not been able to find my husbands 2nd greatgrandfather, James Barton, on a census anywhere. What I have is son of James Barton, James, who I fondly call Junior, was born in Wivenhoe, Essex: D/P227/1/6 entry 200 James Barton son of James and Harriet Barton born 3 June 1816 baptised 21 July 1816 at St MARY the Virgin Wivenhoe Essex. But showing in Toxteth Park in 1851 census: 1851 census index:- PRO piece no. HO 107/2187 Toxteth Park BARTON James 34 Timber Yard Labourer, Essex, Weverimbre? BARTON Elizabeth 36 Lancs. Liverpool Not sure where HO 107/2187 would be in Toxteth Park, but hoping you can locate Senior around there in one of the directories. For Junior I have the 1851, 1871 and 1881 censuses. I know I am probably asking the impossible, but hey, if ya don't ask ya don't know. :) Information I have states that both Junior and Senior were mariners...Junior's info I got from census records and I can't remember where I got Senior's from. Thanks in advance for any and all help, Lainee -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.2 - Release Date: 3/25/2005

Hi A Foo Foo band is a band made up of anyone who can make a tune out of something. Like a comb and tissue, or a pair of table spoons, rattled together, and banged on the knees etc. The Foo Foo Band performs sailors' songs and dances. A Foo Foo Band used to be an impromptu band, consisting of the ship's crew on the late 19th century sailing boats. Andrea New Zealand

researching WEBSTER FAMILY mostly IRONMOULDERS from EVERTON district of liverpool, any help greatly appreciated. common names JOSEPH,WILLIAM,THOMAS,AGNES,ALEXANDER JOHN.

I am looking for contact with a Maureen Lawton from Liverpool. Has anyone got her real email address, last address was with @merseymail. I had an email from her at 0700hrs today, but the return address was not accepted and I got a MAILER-DAEMON from my reply, I think she may have entered it wrong. Maureen please check your address and email. Ron Fitzpatrick South Australia

A quick scan of Google (first place I always look for new information) reveals that Foo Foo Bands, which included spoons, originated in ships' bands. A quote from an American record company states that "The Foo Foo Band performs sailors' songs and dances. A Foo Foo Band used to be an impromptu band, consisting of the ship's crew on the late 19th century sailing boats, and likewise this Foo Foo Band consists of members from bands of the Dutch folkrevival." There is a popular modern rock band called The Foo Foo Fighters but I don't know whether they were influenced by the earlier bands. In the USA Tom Callinan (known as Tom-the-Pirate) carries on the tradition of Foo Foo music when he "performs and teaches: chanteys (work songs) and sea songs about pirates, buccaneers, privateers, salty dogs, and a host of infamous nautical no-accounts. Self-accompanied on an array of string, wind, and percussion instruments, Tom gets the toes tapping and the hands clapping with spirited instrumental tunes played on a pennywhistle or ocarina. Learn to play the spoons, become part of a "foo-foo" band selected from audience volunteers, and revel in an assortment of songs and tales about the comings and goings, the shipwrecks, the pirates, the trash and the treasure - past and present." Another correspondant cites the nautical construction "foo-foo" (or "poo-poo"), used to refer to something effeminate or some technical thing whose name has been forgotten, e.g. "foo-foo box", "foo-foo valve". This was common on ships by the early nineteenth century. A notorious Manchester drag artiste called herself "Foo-Foo". Hope this enlightens somewhat. Hazel

As far as I know Marged, my mum says the band used 'penny whistles'. Does that ring any bells pardon the pun. The name could well we Froo Froo. Syl - UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marged" <marged36@btopenworld.com> To: "sylvia hughes" <sh001k2186@blueyonder.co.uk>; <ENG-LIVERPOOL-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: "MERSEYSIDE" <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LIV] FOO FOO BAND > My late mother was a 20s/30s person and she spoke of the Foo Foo Band - or > was it Froo Froo? Unfortunately that's all I can remember, and mum is > long > gone. > > Was it the Comb and Paper type of band, or "Kazoo"? > > Marged > > > I have been told by my mum in her 81st year, that her sister, my Aunty > Mary, > was a member of the Foo Foo Band in the Liverpool area during the > 1920/30s. > Has anyone heard of this band - silly question? and if so, does anyone > have > any pics they can send me? > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 21/03/05 > > >

My late mother was a 20s/30s person and she spoke of the Foo Foo Band - or was it Froo Froo? Unfortunately that's all I can remember, and mum is long gone. Was it the Comb and Paper type of band, or "Kazoo"? Marged I have been told by my mum in her 81st year, that her sister, my Aunty Mary, was a member of the Foo Foo Band in the Liverpool area during the 1920/30s. Has anyone heard of this band - silly question? and if so, does anyone have any pics they can send me? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 21/03/05

I have been told by my mum in her 81st year, that her sister, my Aunty Mary, was a member of the Foo Foo Band in the Liverpool area during the 1920/30s. Has anyone heard of this band - silly question? and if so, does anyone have any pics they can send me? Kind regards Syl - UK

Sorry that last email of mine should have been sent to Tim privately. I apologise. Regards Barbara

Have you two tried to join the Merseyside Genealogy and History Forum, you can ask for lookups on there, and there are lots of locals too. http://genchatfriends.proboards39.com/index.cgi Barb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Callaghan" <tim.callaghan@4hstc.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 4:59 AM Subject: [ENG-MERSEY] Callaghans from St Helens, Lancs > Looking for any CALLAGHANs (or similar) in St Helens, Lancs, UK around > 1850/1860. > > Tim > > > ==== ENG-MERSEYSIDE Mailing List ==== > Lancashire Online Parish Clerks www.lan-opc.org.uk > Volunteers needed for Liverpool Online Parish clerks > www.lan-opc.org.uk/Liverpool/index.html > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

Many thanks to Caryl, and Paul Christian for the Toxteth site. I found my IBBS connection mentioned indirectly in the Churchs. The Herculanium Chapel built for the pottery workers which included those who came from Staffordshire. My Ibbs were among 14 people who travelled by barge down the Mersey /Trent canal in 1796. Many thanks, Margaret in Australia. -----Original Message----- From: ENG-MERSEYSIDE-D-request@rootsweb.com <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: ENG-MERSEYSIDE-D@rootsweb.com <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-D@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, 19 March 2005 8:46 Subject: ENG-MERSEYSIDE-D Digest V05 #53

For those of you with ancestors from Toxteth Liverpool, Paul Christian has built a brilliant site here and he has just added a whole load of maps to the site too! An excellent resource _http://toxteth.net/index.htm_ (http://toxteth.net/index.htm) Caryl

Alan, If I may make a suggestion, first of all go by the children ages and try and see if the missing ones (James, William, Robert, Esther) are recorded as being married in that time frame, (Between 1881 & 1901) Eg: On http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/cheshirebmd/marriages.html Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1891 to 1895 STOTT Charles MALOYD Annie M Birkenhead, Holy Trinity Wirral BK2/3/200 STOTT John SMITH Mary Hannah Birkenhead, St Mary Wirral BK8/14/484 then check out their Certificates for the Fathers name, if all goes well it should narrow the gap on Walter STOTT'S Death date, and give you the children's Marriage details as well. Ron Fitzpatrick Adelaide South Australia Ex Liverpool - Wirral. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 1:34 PM Subject: [ENG-MERSEY] Walter STOTT - Birkenhead

I think someone recently was asking this question. I grew up in Rodney Street and then Brookland Road off the Woodlands in Birkenhead but always thought of myself as being from Birkenhead rather than Tranmere but now when I see old maps of the area it seems that anywhere to the Woodlands side of Borough Road is classed as Tranmere. I always thought that you had to get out towards Green Lane before you were in Tranmere. Have I been wrong all these years? Don't get me wrong on this. My family have roots in Green Lane, Helmingham Road, Farm Road, Old Chester Road and various other streets in Tranmere and I am proud of that but I am just confused about exactly what are the boundaries of Tranmere and Birkenhead. Cheers, Alan

Can anyone help me please? In 1881 at 6 Lowther Street, Birkenhead I have Walter STOTT 46 with his wife Mary Ann 46 and their children James, William, Robert, Esther, Walter, Charles, John and Thomas. By the 1891 census at 6 Roe Street there was Mary Ann STOTT 55 as head of family and sons Walter 23, Charles 22, John 18 and Thomas 16. Could anyone help me with when Walter STOTT died between 1881 and 1891? Obviously any other snippets of information would also be much appreciated. Also is it just a coincidence that the street numbers were both No 6 or did Lowther Street become Roe Street? I do know that Lowther Street was off Exmouth Street. Cheers, Alan