H Alan, Thanks for that. All I am going on at the moment is a typed list of details from the Bunbury, Cheshire Banns Book for 1859-1900 that someone very kindly sent to me. Perhaps I need to get myself to Bunbury or wherever the book is kept to see the original but I am definitely leaning towards your opinion. Saul or Samuel was obviously not a happy man at the time as the entry in the book states that on 16th Dec 1860 "Banns forbid by Jos. Siddorn's parents he being only 19 1/4 years of age." Joseph SIDDORN was my great grandfather and Saul or Samuel was his father. Thanks again, Alan ---------- From: "Alan Johnson" <alan_mar@lineone.net> To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 8:47 AM Subject: Saul and Samuel SIDDORN I have been transcribing part of the 1861 census and have seen Samuel shortened to Saml; William to Wm and Henry to Hy, so it's probable that Samuel Siddorn was so shortened and the handwriting mis-read. Alan Johnson

I have been transcribing part of the 1861 census and have seen Samuel shortened to Saml; William to Wm and Henry to Hy, so it's probable that Samuel Siddorn was so shortened and the handwriting mis-read. Alan Johnson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Siddorn" <alan@siddorn.fsbusiness.co.uk> To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 11:20 PM Subject: [ENG-MERSEY] Saul and Samuel SIDDORN > Please don't laugh but are the names Saul and Samuel interchangeable? I > have just come across the name Saul SIDDORN as part of my family history > but have never previously seen the name Saul in any references to the > SIDDORN name. There do however seem to be quite a few records relating to > various Samuel SIDDORN's. Can Saul be a shortened form of Samuel? > Thanks, > Alan > > > ==== ENG-MERSEYSIDE Mailing List ==== > You can search or browse the archives of this list and also change > membership - move from digest to normal mail mode, or vice versa and sub > and unsub at this link > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-MERSEYSIDE.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

I have a problem with an elusive grandfather. Joe SIDDORN was born 17/12/1881 in Tarporley, Cheshire so just missed out on being included in the 1881 census. He did appear in the 1891 census when he was still living in Tarporley with his parents Joseph and Ann SIDDORN. By the 1901 census Joseph was dead but Ann SIDDORN was still living at the same address in Tarporley but Joe was no longer there and as far as I can see appears to have disappeared into thin air until he resurfaces in Birkenhead in 1908 when he married Alice STOTT. Obviously I would love for someone to get back to me and tell me that they have found Joe in the 1901 census but realistically what I am asking is for opinions as to the most common reasons for people seeming to disappear. Military service, prison, travel abroad, totally different spelling of the name, simply slipping through the net? What are other peoples experiences? Thanks, Alan

Please don't laugh but are the names Saul and Samuel interchangeable? I have just come across the name Saul SIDDORN as part of my family history but have never previously seen the name Saul in any references to the SIDDORN name. There do however seem to be quite a few records relating to various Samuel SIDDORN's. Can Saul be a shortened form of Samuel? Thanks, Alan

Many thanks for this info William. Pam Hall has sent me this image and it does appear to be my lot. Thank you for your time. Syl - UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "William" <wgra0331@bigpond.net.au> To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 12:48 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEY] 1871HUGH HUGHES > Hi Syl > > Found a Hugh Hughes aged 10 in Toxteth. Parents Joseph Hughes aged 54 born > Anglesey and > Catherine aged 56 also Anglesey. There was a sister Annie aged 13 born > Liverpool. > > Yours ???? > > Regards,William > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sylvia hughes" <sh001k2186@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 8:43 AM > Subject: [ENG-MERSEY] 1871 CENSUS > > >> Can anyone spare the time to look up Hugh Hughes born 1860 in Toxteth > Park, Liverpool. He would have been about 11 by this time. I have no > idea > who would be part of this family. > ------------------------------------------snipped a > bit------------------------------- > > > ==== ENG-MERSEYSIDE Mailing List ==== > Lancashire Online Parish Clerks www.lan-opc.org.uk > Volunteers needed for Liverpool Online Parish clerks > www.lan-opc.org.uk/Liverpool/index.html > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > >

Hi Syl Found a Hugh Hughes aged 10 in Toxteth. Parents Joseph Hughes aged 54 born Anglesey and Catherine aged 56 also Anglesey. There was a sister Annie aged 13 born Liverpool. Yours ???? Regards,William ----- Original Message ----- From: "sylvia hughes" <sh001k2186@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 8:43 AM Subject: [ENG-MERSEY] 1871 CENSUS > Can anyone spare the time to look up Hugh Hughes born 1860 in Toxteth Park, Liverpool. He would have been about 11 by this time. I have no idea who would be part of this family. ------------------------------------------snipped a bit-------------------------------

Can anyone spare the time to look up Hugh Hughes born 1860 in Toxteth Park, Liverpool. He would have been about 11 by this time. I have no idea who would be part of this family. Kind regards Syl - UK

Many thanks for this Bert, it's a great help. regards Syl - UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Herbert Seabrooke" <lapool@alphalink.com.au> To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 2:26 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEY] 1891 look-up > Gday Sylvia > There was a Hughes family at No10 Southwell St Toxteth Park in the 1891 > census,details as follows. > William Hughes head ,married 21 born Toxteth Park Looks as if he was a > Labourer genral? > Margaret wife 19 born T/P > Sarah dau 1mth? born T/P > Margaret Smith boarder widow 65 Seamstress Shirt born Scotland > Rose Connelly boarder widow 66 Char woman born Ireland > John Connelly boarder son 15 Erend boy born Ireland > Some of the writing is hard to read but i think this is correct > Bert in Oz > > sylvia hughes wrote: > >>If anyone has the time could I ask for a look up for 3/7 Southwell, >>Toxteth Park, Liverpool. I am hoping to find a Hughes family there. >> >>Kind regards >> >>Syl - UK >> >> >>==== ENG-MERSEYSIDE Mailing List ==== >><a >>href="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/ENG-MERSEYSIDE.html">ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L >>List netiquette</A> >> >>============================== >>New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors >>at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: >>http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >> >>. >> >> > > > > ==== ENG-MERSEYSIDE Mailing List ==== > You can search or browse the archives of this list and also change > membership - move from digest to normal mail mode, or vice versa and sub > and unsub at this link > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-MERSEYSIDE.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >

Gday Sylvia There was a Hughes family at No10 Southwell St Toxteth Park in the 1891 census,details as follows. William Hughes head ,married 21 born Toxteth Park Looks as if he was a Labourer genral? Margaret wife 19 born T/P Sarah dau 1mth? born T/P Margaret Smith boarder widow 65 Seamstress Shirt born Scotland Rose Connelly boarder widow 66 Char woman born Ireland John Connelly boarder son 15 Erend boy born Ireland Some of the writing is hard to read but i think this is correct Bert in Oz sylvia hughes wrote: >If anyone has the time could I ask for a look up for 3/7 Southwell, Toxteth Park, Liverpool. I am hoping to find a Hughes family there. > >Kind regards > >Syl - UK > > >==== ENG-MERSEYSIDE Mailing List ==== ><a href="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/ENG-MERSEYSIDE.html">ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L List netiquette</A> > >============================== >New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > >. > > >

Hi Hazel I have a Sarah Dodd in my family who married a William Woodcock, they where from Tarvin Cheshire. They had a son John Woodcock born around 1773. Not much more info than that I'm afraid as I haven't started on this part of the tree. Hope we may have a connection let me know. Kind regards Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hazel Fuller" <hazel@fuller1972.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 10:14 AM Subject: [ENG-MERSEY] LDESOM/LEDSHAM/WILLIAMS/DODD etc > > Reposting major family names. From Bebington, particularly Hr. Bebington in > most cases, and Storeton. DODDS are originally from Malpas. > > Hazel > > > ==== ENG-MERSEYSIDE Mailing List ==== > <a href="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/ENG-MERSEYSIDE.html ">ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L List netiquette</A> > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: 27/03/05 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: 27/03/05

Hi, I am wondering if their is anyone connected to these DAVIES from Liverpool please. I know very little about them. I have just found the connection to my family. John 1874 m Emma E Jones in 1897 and their daughter Jessie m my Dad in 1931. Thank you Ann 1871 census RG10/3813 folio 19 page 31 48 Rose Vale St DAVIES John H 52 Coal Dealer Llongullion Montgomeryshire do Elizabeth W 51 do do do William son 19 painter (Twins) Liverpool Lancashire [ Mine] do Mary dau 19 Dressmaker (Twin) do do do Samuel son 17 apprentice office do do do Edward son 14 do do (Twin) do do do Elizabeth dau 14 (Twin) do do 1891 Census RG12/2900 folio 14 page 21 20 Skirving St DAVIES William H 39 Blacksmith Liverpool do Mary W 39 do do John son 17 apprentice w/right do [Mine] do Thomas son 10 do do Liverpool do Robert son 12 scholar do do George son 7 do do do William son 4 do do Arthur son 1 do -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm

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Reposting major family names. From Bebington, particularly Hr. Bebington in most cases, and Storeton. DODDS are originally from Malpas. Hazel

No problems that I can see, only three e-mails sent to the list so far today - I've had them all If you think you are missing any you can search or browse the list archives here: _http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-MERSEYSIDE.html_ (http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-MERSEYSIDE.html) Sue wrote<<<Is anyone else having problems receiving mail from the ENG-MERSEYSIDE site? I've received 1 e-mail all day, and it's now 14:05 hrs on Saturday 02nd April 2005 Sue >>>> Any further problems please contact me privately. May be your ISP is filtering them through slowly for whatever reason, you might get them later. Caryl List admin

could any kind sks going to liverpool record office ,please look up baptism rcords at WALTON ON THE HILL. for BOGIN/BOGAN period 1821 to 1845. parents william and . elizabeth bogin/bogan. (william is a mariner). childrens names are JOHN,JAMES,ELIZABETH,LUCY,ELLEN,joseph.

I am researching the following names - BANKS : Stretton (Cheshire), Manchester (Lancs) BRADBURY : Lymm (Cheshire) BROWNBILL : St Helens (Lancs) CALLAGHAN : St Helens (Lancs), Ireland DANIELS : Bowdon (Cheshire) GABRIEL : St Helens (Lancs), Liverpool (Lancs), Dublin (Ireland) GARDNER : Dublin (Ireland) GRATWICH : Barlaston (Staffs) HIGHAM : Lymm (Cheshire), Leigh (Lancs) JOHNSON : Over Peover (Cheshire) JOHNSON : Barlaston (Staffs) JOHNS(T)ON : Wallasey (Cheshire), Birkenhead (Cheshire), Hull (East Riding), North Shields/Tynemouth (Northumberland), Ryton (Co. Durham) JONES : Whitchurch (Shrops) LEIGH : Lymm (Cheshire) MILLER : Lymm (Cheshire), Grappenhall (Cheshire) MOSTON/MOSSON : Lymm (Cheshire), Over Peover (Cheshire), Marthall (Cheshire), Snelson (Cheshire) MYCOCK : Barlaston (Staffs) NORBURY : Liverpool (Lancs) PERCIVAL : Lymm (Cheshire), Antrobus (Cheshire) RICHARDSON : Lymm (Cheshire), Prescot (Lancs) TABERN : St Helens (Lancs) THOMPSON : North Shields/Tynemouth (Northumberland) WILLIAMSON : Cheshire WINSTANLEY : Lymm (Cheshire) WOOTTON : Barlaston (Staffs), Moddershall (Staffs), Stone (Staffs) I would be pleased to hear from anyone with similar interests. Thanks Tim

If anyone has the time could I ask for a look up for 3/7 Southwell, Toxteth Park, Liverpool. I am hoping to find a Hughes family there. Kind regards Syl - UK

Prompted by the report of the accident at Cammell Lairds I wondered if anyone had knowledge of an accident at Liverpool docks involving my Great Grandfather Charles Manning a blacksmith at the docks who died at the early age of 36 in 1892. He was born in Bristol but lived at Cooper St. in liverpool which i think is near to the docks area. Margaret in australia.

In my wife's line there is : George John FREELAND, b. 1835/1838? Portsmouth, Hampshire; m. (1867) Harriott Ann ROBERTS, b, 1849 Liverpool. They had various children in Liverpool between 1867 and 1880. However, GJF, described as a 'ship rigger' living in Everton at the 1871 census, had died before the 1881 census. At that time the children were with Harriot in Toxteth Park apart from the eldest son, 9-year old George William, who was an inmate at the Liverpool Seamans Orphan Institution. He was employed and back with the family at the 1891 census. Currently, the charity indicates that it will consider applications on behalf of the children of deceased British merchant seafarers. Can any one tell me whether ship riggers would have gone to sea or, at that period, did the Institution also accept applications from the children of workers in maritime-related trades? (This, and other matters, means that a visit to the Archives section of the Liverpool Maritime Museum is a high priority when next I manage to get to Liverpool.) John Greig

--WebTV-Mail-20029-335 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Hi Syl, Sorry to say that my aunt Bessies maiden name was Rickaby and not Thompson.:-( Regards, Lynn --WebTV-Mail-20029-335 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpinvite-3302.bay.webtv.net (209.240.205.170) by storefull-3114.bay.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 02:32:35 -0800 Received: from lists2.rootsweb.com (lists7.rootsweb.com [66.43.18.39]) by smtpinvite-3302.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 62B33E106 for <jusepy@webtv.net>; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 02:32:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists2.rootsweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) id j2UAW8Oc002310; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 03:32:08 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 03:32:08 -0700 X-Original-Sender: sh001k2186@blueyonder.co.uk Wed Mar 30 03:32:07 2005 Message-ID: <000c01c53513$b851b360$ed8f2152@h4c7jrvc3rf2db> From: "sylvia hughes" <sh001k2186@blueyonder.co.uk> Old-To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> References: <4922-4249DDE2-1937@storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEY] RESEARCHING Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:32:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2005 10:32:46.0778 (UTC) FILETIME=[D07311A0:01C53513] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.38 Resent-Message-ID: <ZaYlbD.A.yj.oAoSCB@lists2.rootsweb.com> To: ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/1947 X-Loop: ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L-request@rootsweb.com X-Brightmail: Message tested, results are inconclusive Hi Lynne, my grandfather was William Hughes born in Liverpool in 1886 and married Elizabeth Thompson in 1908. I have never met or seen a photo of my granddad as he died before I was born. If you think you have a connection, please let me know. Syl - UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "L. Bohen" <jusepy@webtv.net> To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 11:59 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEY] RESEARCHING > > Sylvia, > > Do you have any connections with Bessie, William or Didie Hughes > c.1920-2005 from the Liverpool area? Don't know if it could be Toxteth > Park or not though. > > Regards, > > Lynn > Albion, CA. USA > > > ==== ENG-MERSEYSIDE Mailing List ==== > Lancashire Online Parish Clerks www.lan-opc.org.uk > Volunteers needed for Liverpool Online Parish clerks > www.lan-opc.org.uk/Liverpool/index.html > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > ==== ENG-MERSEYSIDE Mailing List ==== <a href="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/ENG-MERSEYSIDE.html">ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L List netiquette</A> ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx --WebTV-Mail-20029-335--