Seen in passing: The Times, Monday, March 8, 1909, Issue 38901, Page 8 Column D "DOCK ACCIDENT AT BIRKENHEAD. LOSS OF FOURTEEN LIVES. Fourteen lives were lost by the accident which occurred early on Saturday morning ... on the estate of the Mersey Docks and Harbour Board at Birkenhead. ... a new dock, known as the Vittoria Dock, was in course of construction. The contractor ... is Mr. John Scott, of Darlington. ... [at] about 25 minutes past midnight ... the foundation of the coffer dam gave way, and the 15 men were immediately overwhelmed in the rush of water ... one of them escaped, George Creighton, a craneman, of Flamank-street, Birkenhead ... A boy named Thomas Devine, of Oak View, Birkenhead, who was signaller on the crane, and David Jones, 35, of Newling-street, Birkenhead ... were both rescued. ... [Devine's] right leg was crushed, and had to be amputated on his arrival at the borough hospital, where he lies in a critical condition. Jones, the engine-driver ... is making satisfactory progress. The names of the men who were drowned are:-- Henry Davies, or Hunt (29), married, four children, Albion-street, Birkenhead. William Rogers (50), married, no children. Charles Johnson, single, Beaufort-street, Liverpool. Thomas Gouldson (24), single, Seabank-cottages, Birkenhead. Albert Walker (20), single, Blackpool-street, Birkenhead. T. Kelly, or M'Nicolas (32), single, St. Paul's-road, Birkenhead. James Keefe, married, Birkenhead. William Saunders, married, two children, Eldon-place, Birkenhead. William Reed, married, Church Army Home, Birkenhead. John Brown, or Darby, single, supposed to have lived in lodgings in Scotland-road, Liverpool. Robert Shaw (35), married, two children, Thomas-street, Birkenhead. John Matthews (35), married, four children, Hope-street, Birkenhead. Thomas Shaw (35), single, Market-street. Thomas Lloyd (52), married, no family, Watson-street." John Greig

Thanks Cathy, I will extend my search of the census area and district. I remember going on the overhead railway as a child and also being petrified of the train that ran under it but at ground level presumably going to the docks. Margaret in australia -----Original Message----- From: ENG-MERSEYSIDE-D-request@rootsweb.com <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: ENG-MERSEYSIDE-D@rootsweb.com <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-D@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, 15 May 2005 4:02 Subject: ENG-MERSEYSIDE-D Digest V05 #90

Hi Margaret, I also remember the overhead railway as a child...It was called "the dockers umbrella..very apt! I am not sure if this e-mail reached you yesterday, so here goes., I would like to receive the 2x images you have of my G/Mother Mary Riley in 1861 Census,and tks. for your help. My other G/Mother Mary Killgallon b.in 1861 Liverpool. I have her father named as Patrick Killgallon b.Ireland [How do we search the Irish records?] in her marriage/cert. I found this on 1881 Census; CENSUS PLACE: GARSTON,Lancashire.England. Patrick Killgallon 58 b.IRELAND Mary Killgallon 48 b. IRELAND James " 22 b. Woolton,Lancs.England. John " 18 b. " " " Sarah " 11 b. " " " RG11 3719 / 75 PAGE 8 dwelling 54 Vulcan Street, Mary had married in Jan. 1881...so I cant be sure that this is her family... Thanks Margaret for taking time to help me, Best regards Cathy in Toronto

Hi Listers I wonder if SKS might be able to look up the family living at 52 Berkley Street Liverpool 8 for the years 1943, 1944, 1945. If it is only possible to look up one year then 1944 please. I am hoping to find my paternal grandmother living there at that time. Unfortunately I do not know the surname she was using. Hopefully it was McGOWAN. Also hoping to find my father there. However he did serve with the Royal Navy so he could have been away at electoral times. Pauline

Hi Margaret, I have been looking at my "tattered" old map for your LEEDS STREET,and hope this may help. Leeds street runs on both sides of the Liverpool to Southport railway line. also there is or was Old Leeds street, and also Back Leeds street.. Regards Cathy.

For Cathy from Margaret. Can you give me the place of birth and the residence for Mary Killgallon? there are 2 entries for Mary Riley in the 1861 that could be her. One whose Dad is Stephen and the other Gregory. I can send entries for both census' direct to you if you like. Cheers Margaret -----Original Message----- From: ENG-MERSEYSIDE-D-request@rootsweb.com <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: ENG-MERSEYSIDE-D@rootsweb.com <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-D@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, 13 May 2005 2:00 Subject: ENG-MERSEYSIDE-D Digest V05 #89

Hi Margaret, Mary KILLGALLON b.1861 in Liverpool..Residence not known...on her marriage certificate her fathers name is Patrick KILLGALLON. On 1881 CENSUS all I could find was the following family Patrick KILLGALLON 58 b. Ireland Mary " " 48 b. Ireland CENSUS PLACE GARSTON LANCASHIRE ENGLAND Hope this helps. I would like to receive the two images that you have found of Mary RILEY in 1861 CENSUS,and thank you for your time. Best Regards Cathy

Give me their names Elizabeth Tony <anthony916@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Anybody with access to the 1861, can you lookuop two people for me please. Thanks Antony ==== ENG-MERSEYSIDE Mailing List ==== You can search or browse the archives of this list and also change membership - move from digest to normal mail mode, or vice versa and sub and unsub at this link http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-MERSEYSIDE.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Anybody with access to the 1861, can you lookuop two people for me please. Thanks Antony

Thanks Sylvia for the Liverpool Churches site. And the info included there. Now I have a problem. What happened to the other end of Leeds street in the 1891 census?!! I found Leeds St. in the Liverpool, Howard St. District 6 area and I was delighted until I realized the numbers I was looking for weren't on it! 36 and 24 were, as well as another dwelling with no number, then it changed to Phillip St. I have gone back and forth over the area above below and to both sides of Leeds St until I am crosseyed with no success. The numbers I am seeking are 16 and 22. Michael Stephen O'BRIEN was living at 16 Leeds St. and Mary Ellen IBBS was living at number 22 when they were married in 1891. I was wondering who the house holders of these 2 residences were as I suspect it was not either of the 2 named. Can anyone help or suggest a way I can find out? Cheers, Margaret in Australia. I have paid access to the ancestry.com U.K. 1861,71,81,91,&1901 census until 23.6.05 if anyone wants a look up. -----Original Message----- From: ENG-MERSEYSIDE-D-request@rootsweb.com <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: ENG-MERSEYSIDE-D@rootsweb.com <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-D@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, 12 May 2005 6:00 Subject: ENG-MERSEYSIDE-D Digest V05 #88

Hi Margaret, In reply to your kind offer to search 1861 and 1871 Census...I am looking for My Grandmothers... 1861 CENSUS Mary KILLGALLON b.1861 Liverpool Lancs 1871 CENSUS Mary KILLGALLON b.1861 " " age 10. 1861CENSUS Mary RILEY b. about 1856 " " age about 5. 1871 Mary REILLY or variant b.about 1856 Liverpool age about [15] These two bricks are so hard to come down. Mary Killgallon married Thomas Graham in 1881 And I am hoping to find Mary RILEY married in 1875 Liverpool to William QUINN. Thanks in advance Regards Cathy

Sylvia. The following link has all the churches in Liverpool on their site. Regards Marg http://www.scottiepress.org.uk/main.htm -----Original Message----- From: sylvia hughes [mailto:sh001k2186@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, 11 May 2005 7:20 AM To: ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-MERSEY] CHURCHES Does anyone know whether the churches listed below would have been for Church of England or Catholic worshipers during the 1880's. St Davids, Liverpool St Peter's, Liverpool Our Lady & St Nicholas & St Anne, Liverpool. Any help would be appreciated. Kind regards Syl - UK ==== ENG-MERSEYSIDE Mailing List ==== You can search or browse the archives of this list and also change membership - move from digest to normal mail mode, or vice versa and sub and unsub at this link http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-MERSEYSIDE.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Thanks Kath. Syl - UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "sticky fingers" <kathy_withers@tinyworld.co.uk> To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEY] CHURCHES > http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Liverpool/index.html try this site may help you. > Happy hunting Kathy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sylvia hughes" <sh001k2186@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 10:20 PM > Subject: [ENG-MERSEY] CHURCHES > > >> Does anyone know whether the churches listed below would have been for > Church of England or Catholic worshipers during the 1880's. >> >> St Davids, Liverpool >> St Peter's, Liverpool >> Our Lady & St Nicholas & St Anne, Liverpool. >> >> Any help would be appreciated. >> >> Kind regards >> >> Syl - UK >> >> >> ==== ENG-MERSEYSIDE Mailing List ==== >> You can search or browse the archives of this list and also change > membership - move from digest to normal mail mode, or vice versa and sub > and > unsub at this link >> >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-MERSEYSIDE.html >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 10/05/05 >> > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 10/05/05 > > > ==== ENG-MERSEYSIDE Mailing List ==== > <a > href="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/ENG-MERSEYSIDE.html">ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L > List netiquette</A> > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > >

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Liverpool/index.html try this site may help you. Happy hunting Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "sylvia hughes" <sh001k2186@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 10:20 PM Subject: [ENG-MERSEY] CHURCHES > Does anyone know whether the churches listed below would have been for Church of England or Catholic worshipers during the 1880's. > > St Davids, Liverpool > St Peter's, Liverpool > Our Lady & St Nicholas & St Anne, Liverpool. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Kind regards > > Syl - UK > > > ==== ENG-MERSEYSIDE Mailing List ==== > You can search or browse the archives of this list and also change membership - move from digest to normal mail mode, or vice versa and sub and unsub at this link > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-MERSEYSIDE.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 10/05/05 > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 10/05/05

Sue, thanks for this info, I was hoping one of the churches would have been Catholic. Ah well, nothing is ever easy is it. Kind regards Syl - UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Martin" <sue.1964@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 5:57 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEY] CHURCHES > all these are church of england.(but liverpool did have a roman catholic > churches called st peters in seel street, also their was a stnicholas > church around liverpool 3 area called st nicholas also. st davids was on > brownlow hill . > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sylvia hughes" <sh001k2186@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 10:20 PM > Subject: [ENG-MERSEY] CHURCHES > > >> Does anyone know whether the churches listed below would have been for >> Church of England or Catholic worshipers during the 1880's. >> >> St Davids, Liverpool >> St Peter's, Liverpool >> Our Lady & St Nicholas & St Anne, Liverpool. >> >> Any help would be appreciated. >> >> Kind regards >> >> Syl - UK >> >> >> ==== ENG-MERSEYSIDE Mailing List ==== >> You can search or browse the archives of this list and also change >> membership - move from digest to normal mail mode, or vice versa and sub >> and unsub at this link >> >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-MERSEYSIDE.html >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> > > > ==== ENG-MERSEYSIDE Mailing List ==== > Lancashire Online Parish Clerks www.lan-opc.org.uk > Volunteers needed for Liverpool Online Parish clerks > www.lan-opc.org.uk/Liverpool/index.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > >

Hi Mo What an interesting story. Sounds to me as if this was a mourning brooch (locket?) and sometimes people collect these or maybe it just caught your mum's eye and she bought it from somewhere. I can see how you would be puzzled by it though, and who knows there may be some family connection and yes there were McCURDEY's living around Merseyside (also in lots of other areas of the UK and also Ireland & Scotland) I've found bits like that and tried to find out the history of who owned it, it is hard Good luck, hope you find some answers or some McCURDEY researchers who have this lady in their family history. Had a quick look on the Liverpool & SW Lancs Members interest directory, could not see anyone else researching that name Caryl LO In a message dated 10/05/2005 19:14:29 GMT Standard Time, mrsrallsorts@f2s.com writes: Hi all, I am new to this list although I have subscribed to the Cheshire list for some time. A few months ago as I was clearing my mum's house, I came across a piece of jewellery and it has me puzzled. The jewellery has inscribed on it - "Helen McCurdy, Died Sept 4th 1818 - The Maid is not Dead but Sleepeth". Now I have been trying to find out who this Helen McCurdy was and why my mum would have had this piece of jewellery. Several contacts have told me that there were McCurdy's around Merseyside. As my dad and his ancestors all came from Cheshire, I wonder if Helen McCurdy was perhaps something to do with his family. Have any of you come across a Helen McCurdy in your research that would fit the bill? Any help really appreciated as this is bugging me. Thanks Mo

sylvia hughes wrote: >Does anyone know whether the churches listed below would have been for Church of England or Catholic worshipers during the 1880's. > >St Davids, Liverpool >St Peter's, Liverpool >Our Lady & St Nicholas & St Anne, Liverpool. > >Any help would be appreciated. > >Kind regards > >Syl - UK > > >==== ENG-MERSEYSIDE Mailing List ==== >You can search or browse the archives of this list and also change membership - move from digest to normal mail mode, or vice versa and sub and unsub at this link > >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-MERSEYSIDE.html > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > Checkout my pages at http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Liverpool/index.html for lots of info on those churches & others specific to lpool, Pages contain Photo's, church history and in some cases their BMD's Regards Alan C

all these are church of england.(but liverpool did have a roman catholic churches called st peters in seel street, also their was a stnicholas church around liverpool 3 area called st nicholas also. st davids was on brownlow hill . ----- Original Message ----- From: "sylvia hughes" <sh001k2186@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 10:20 PM Subject: [ENG-MERSEY] CHURCHES > Does anyone know whether the churches listed below would have been for > Church of England or Catholic worshipers during the 1880's. > > St Davids, Liverpool > St Peter's, Liverpool > Our Lady & St Nicholas & St Anne, Liverpool. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Kind regards > > Syl - UK > > > ==== ENG-MERSEYSIDE Mailing List ==== > You can search or browse the archives of this list and also change > membership - move from digest to normal mail mode, or vice versa and sub > and unsub at this link > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-MERSEYSIDE.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Does anyone know whether the churches listed below would have been for Church of England or Catholic worshipers during the 1880's. St Davids, Liverpool St Peter's, Liverpool Our Lady & St Nicholas & St Anne, Liverpool. Any help would be appreciated. Kind regards Syl - UK

Hi all, I am new to this list although I have subscribed to the Cheshire list for some time. A few months ago as I was clearing my mum's house, I came across a piece of jewellery and it has me puzzled. The jewellery has inscribed on it - "Helen McCurdy, Died Sept 4th 1818 - The Maid is not Dead but Sleepeth". Now I have been trying to find out who this Helen McCurdy was and why my mum would have had this piece of jewellery. Several contacts have told me that there were McCurdy's around Merseyside. As my dad and his ancestors all came from Cheshire, I wonder if Helen McCurdy was perhaps something to do with his family. Have any of you come across a Helen McCurdy in your research that would fit the bill? Any help really appreciated as this is bugging me. Thanks Mo