Tee hee. Back to the drawing board... Is it an option to send off for James's (1858) or John's (1860)'s birth cert, which would give the mother's maiden name and, if she was married before, the surname of Elizabeth ??, James's stepdaughter. Jess

Strange how the power of suggestion works. When I saw the same entry yesterday I could have sworn it was Holley because that is how it was sent to me about a year ago and how I have been looking for it. Now, Jess, comes along and says it looks like something entirely different and I go back and look at the copy I have and sure enough...it doesn't look like Holley any more. LOL Lainee At 04:17 AM 6/20/2005, you wrote: >Having looked at the 1861 census I'm not sure it is Holley. It looks more >like Wolley or perhaps even Hedley! I'm sure finding out exactly what the >name is will help to shed light on the Elizabeths but it's really >difficult to >read the handwriting. > >Jess -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 6/17/2005

Having looked at the 1861 census I'm not sure it is Holley. It looks more like Wolley or perhaps even Hedley! I'm sure finding out exactly what the name is will help to shed light on the Elizabeths but it's really difficult to read the handwriting. Jess

I have looked for Holley, Holly, Holy, Holey take your pick. I even tried finding the Elizabeth Holley from the 1861 census in the 1871 census by using wild cards on Ancestry...nothing. :( Thanks for your time in responding, Lainee At 05:44 PM 6/19/2005, you wrote: > Hi Lainee, >just a thought, Holley is a surname that could be easily mispronounced and >misspelt.. have you tried searching variations on it ? >I spent ages chasing Magers who turned out to be Magees ! >Kind regards >Mary -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 6/17/2005

Hiya Jess, Thanks for your response! I had thought of that, but trying to figure out who yet another Elizabeth is overwhelming because I have been chasing the Elizabeth in the 1861 and all later censuses for ages! If they are two different Elizabeth's though, then the second one could have been married to a Holley...but I can find nothing on the net about a Holley that married an Elizabeth, nor can I find a James Barton married to an Elizabeth Holley. :( Thanks again! Lainee At 12:07 PM 6/19/2005, you wrote: >Is it a different Elizabeth? Perhaps his first wife died and he married >another Elizabeth - stranger things have happened! The Elizabeth on >the 1861 >census is 10 years younger than the Elizabeth on the 1851 census. Just a >suggestion! > >Jess -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 6/17/2005

Is it a different Elizabeth? Perhaps his first wife died and he married another Elizabeth - stranger things have happened! The Elizabeth on the 1861 census is 10 years younger than the Elizabeth on the 1851 census. Just a suggestion! Jess

In my ongoing search for the Bartons I had someone send me the 1851 and 1861 censuses. I am now more confused than ever. In 1851 James Barton is already married to Elizabeth Unknown: 1851 census index:- PRO piece no. HO 107/2187 Toxteth Park BARTON James 34 Timber Yard Labourer, Essex, Weverimbre? BARTON Elizabeth 36 Lancs. Liverpool Along comes the 1861 and it really gets confusing: 1861 Liverpool, Lancashire, England census James Barton 1817 Essex, England Head Liverpool Lancashire Elizabeth Barton 1825 Liverpool Wife Liverpool Lancashire James Barton 1858 Liverpool Son Liverpool Lancashire John Barton 1860 Liverpool Son Liverpool Lancashire Elizabeth M Holley 1854 Liverpool Stepdaughter Liverpool Lancashire Note the Elizabeth M. Holley, born 1854, stepdaughter to James...now how on earth can she have been born in 1854 when Elizabeth was already married to James? Thanks in advance for any and all help clearing this up! Lainee <----confused in Florida -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 6/17/2005

Thankyou all Anthony

I am not sure what list i found this link on , but i received the email through the list yesterday on the 13th opr it came in on the 12th not sure, but i deleted the email. the email had a link above what the person was requestiing. It was a link for free public records. I clicked on the link. It told me to put in the person you are looking for and what state they lived in and i clicked ok, and found a whole lot of people. But somehow i lost the link. if anyone knows the website name please help me out. It started with a z i beleive, it had a funny name thanks

I am searching for WILLIAM CROPPER born 1856 in Liverpool. William was a 'painter' by trade. Also WILLIAM CROPPER jnr (plumber) born in 1880 also in Liverpool. I have searched every online place I can think of for this father and son. I think William snr's wife ELIZABETH died after the 1881 census and before the 1891 census was taken I cannot find a death for ELIZABETH either. I have the family in 1881 and again but without Elizabeth in 1901. Can anyone help? I don't know where else to look. Kind regards Syl - UK

Cynthia, Some suggestions This site is very good is free and has lots of like minded people with tons of experience to help. http://genchatfriends.proboards39.com/index.cgi Cheshire http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/index.php http://www.carlscam.com/index.html http://www.fhsc.org.uk/ General http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl I also have some for Liverpool if needed drop me a line. Ron Fitzpatrick South Australia Ex Liverpool ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 5:55 AM Subject: [ENG-MERSEY] FORREST/McCALLUM

REPOSTING REQUEST FOR 1841 CENSUS LOOKUP This is a long shot but can anyone find HENRY BARKER on the 1841 census in the Lancashire area. I don't have a great deal to go on but I am hoping he is living with daughter Ellen aged about 20 years. I don't have a wife for Henry but other names in the family that have cropped up are Agness Barker (Agness never married) and Margeret Barker (could be Ellen's mother). Any of the Barker's could be associated with Stanton or Highet as Margaret married twice and had children from each marriage. I know its a lot to ask so I would be very grateful for any help. Henry would be my 3xgreat grandfather. Kind regards Syl - UK

I am in the US and don't know resources for Merseyside. Any suggestions on how I might find information on descendents of: William Forrest, born ca 1878 in Liverpool, to Edward (Soda Water Manufacturer) and Elizabeth Forrest. William's profession was Musician. married 29 July 1909 at St. John's Church Birkenhead to: Wilhelmina McCallum, born 1885 in Birkenhead (John and Ada Duckett McCallum) Address in 1909 was 11 Princes St. Any likely musician's union? Would it make sense to try St. John's Church where they married? Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thank you, Cynthia in California

Thanks Caryl I will get in touch with the library and see what happens. Thanks for your advice. Although I have been trying to trace my family for a couple of years now I am still a novice regarding some of the research facilities. I know nothing about 'directories'. I have been concentrating on the on-line BDMs etc for England and Wales and LDS Films to research my Irish side to which I was guided by a lister on another site. I will now delve into the world of directories and see what I have been missing. Can you recommend a good starting place. Pauline Cpwill5@aol.com wrote: Pauline Try e-mailing Liverpool Record office _recoffice.central.library@liverpool.gov.uk_ (mailto:recoffice.central.library@liverpool.gov.uk) they may just look that up for you, if not too busy. They will do a fifteen minute search for free (or they used to) but if the search takes longer they prefer people to use their research service. Everyone who e-mails goes into a queuing system and are answered on a first come first served basis I did have a quick look in my Kelly's 1949 directory but No 52 isn't listed, probably too late for you anyway and directories only list the head of the house as you probably already know Caryl

I am researching the following names - BANKS : Stretton (Cheshire), Manchester (Lancs) BRADBURY : Lymm (Cheshire) BROWNBILL : St Helens (Lancs) CALLAGHAN : St Helens (Lancs), Ireland DANIELS : Bowdon (Cheshire) GABRIEL : St Helens (Lancs), Liverpool (Lancs), Dublin (Ireland) GARDNER : Dublin (Ireland) GRATWICH : Barlaston (Staffs) HIGHAM : Lymm (Cheshire), Leigh (Lancs) JOHNSON : Over Peover (Cheshire) JOHNSON : Barlaston (Staffs) JOHNS(T)ON : Wallasey (Cheshire), Birkenhead (Cheshire), Hull (East Riding), North Shields/Tynemouth (Northumberland), Ryton (Co. Durham) JONES : Whitchurch (Shrops) LEIGH : Lymm (Cheshire) MILLER : Lymm (Cheshire), Grappenhall (Cheshire) MOSTON/MOSSON : Lymm (Cheshire), Over Peover (Cheshire), Marthall (Cheshire), Snelson (Cheshire) MYCOCK : Barlaston (Staffs) NORBURY : Liverpool (Lancs) PERCIVAL : Lymm (Cheshire), Antrobus (Cheshire) RICHARDSON : Lymm (Cheshire), Prescot (Lancs) TABERN : St Helens (Lancs) THOMPSON : North Shields/Tynemouth (Northumberland) WILLIAMSON : Cheshire WINSTANLEY : Lymm (Cheshire) WOOTTON : Barlaston (Staffs), Moddershall (Staffs), Stone (Staffs) I would be pleased to hear from anyone with similar interests. Thanks Tim

In a message dated 01/06/2005 19:20:46 GMT Standard Time, pinkspider@btinternet.com writes: Thanks Caryl I will get in touch with the library and see what happens. Thanks for your advice. Although I have been trying to trace my family for a couple of years now I am still a novice regarding some of the research facilities. I know nothing about 'directories'. I have been concentrating on the on-line BDMs etc for England and Wales and LDS Films to research my Irish side to which I was guided by a lister on another site. I will now delve into the world of directories and see what I have been missing. Can you recommend a good starting place. Pauline Hi Pauline There are historical directories online and they are free & searchable at: _http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/index.asp_ (http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/index.asp) Also archive CD books sell them at reasonable prices _http://www.archivecdbooks.org/_ (http://www.archivecdbooks.org/) Apologies for double URL's showing, it's an AOL problem that is driving me nuts! Caryl

Pauline Try e-mailing Liverpool Record office _recoffice.central.library@liverpool.gov.uk_ (mailto:recoffice.central.library@liverpool.gov.uk) they may just look that up for you, if not too busy. They will do a fifteen minute search for free (or they used to) but if the search takes longer they prefer people to use their research service. Everyone who e-mails goes into a queuing system and are answered on a first come first served basis I did have a quick look in my Kelly's 1949 directory but No 52 isn't listed, probably too late for you anyway and directories only list the head of the house as you probably already know Caryl In a message dated 30/05/2005 23:14:47 GMT Standard Time, pinkspider@btinternet.com writes: Hi Listers I wonder if SKS might be able to look up the family living at 52 Berkley Street Liverpool 8 for the years 1943, 1944, 1945. If it is only possible to look up one year then 1944 please. Or if no electoral registers exist for those years then maybe someone could let me know the year of the first electoral register after the war. I am hoping to find my paternal grandmother living there at that time. Unfortunately I do not know the surname she was using. Hopefully it was McGOWAN. Also hoping to find my father there. However he did serve with the Royal Navy so he could have been away at electoral times. Pauline

Hi Listers I wonder if SKS might be able to look up the family living at 52 Berkley Street Liverpool 8 for the years 1943, 1944, 1945. If it is only possible to look up one year then 1944 please. Or if no electoral registers exist for those years then maybe someone could let me know the year of the first electoral register after the war. I am hoping to find my paternal grandmother living there at that time. Unfortunately I do not know the surname she was using. Hopefully it was McGOWAN. Also hoping to find my father there. However he did serve with the Royal Navy so he could have been away at electoral times. Pauline

The old school building that was on the corner of Laird Street and Dundonald Street has been demolished.the newer building at the back that is still there and is now called Portland School.I know there were two houses in between the shops but don't know if they are still there.I will have a look next week when I go to visit my relatives and get back to you. Patricia ----- Original Message ----- From: "L. Bohen" <jusepy@webtv.net> To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 1:53 AM Subject: [ENG-MERSEY] Laird Street Photo Request > > Dear Listers, > > Does anyone live on or near Laird St. who would be so kind to take a > photo for me of #2 Laird St. and of the Laird St. School directly across > the street if it is still there? Thanks very much. > > Regards, > > Lynn Bohen -USA > > > ==== ENG-MERSEYSIDE Mailing List ==== > <a > href="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/ENG-MERSEYSIDE.html">ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L > List netiquette</A> > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

In a message dated 25/05/2005 23:57:35 GMT Standard Time, ktinkler@cogeco.ca writes: Delighted to find a confirmation with father's name of a marriage in one my collateral lines Thanks Caryl keith Keith Thanks for telling me, really pleased for you. Nice to have feedback Caryl