I think that if it says they're deceased, they are but if it doesn't, it doesn't mean they're not. If you see what I mean. The only variation is when a child is born to a single woman who claims a dead father for her daughter on the birth certificate. This has happened at least once in my family and I spent a long time fruitlessly hunting for the father in the 1871 census, or the marriage in 1871 / 72 for a child born in 1873. Good luck! Rachel -----Original Message----- From: Catherine Randall [mailto:carcr@interhop.net] Sent: 06 January 2006 21:53 To: ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEY] Marriage Records On my gr.grandfather's marriage reg. of 1862 his father's name is mentioned but not indicated as deceased when, in fact, he had died in 1853 Cathy > Does anyone know anything about the practice of entering the identity of > the bride, or groom's parent, even though they are deceased? I have such > an instance. I feel sure I have the right guy, but just wondered if > anyone knew for sure. > > Janet ==== ENG-MERSEYSIDE Mailing List ==== <a href="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/ENG-MERSEYSIDE.html ">ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L List netiquette</A> ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429

One one of my ancestors marriage certificates, the father is named and recorded as deceased yet on the birth cert of the said person, no fathers name is given. Obviously illigitimate but didn't want the world and maybe his wife to know Caryl In a message dated 07/01/2006 09:56:19 GMT Standard Time, rachel.m.roberts@btopenworld.com writes: I think that if it says they're deceased, they are but if it doesn't, it doesn't mean they're not. If you see what I mean. The only variation is when a child is born to a single woman who claims a dead father for her daughter on the birth certificate. This has happened at least once in my family and I spent a long time fruitlessly hunting for the father in the 1871 census, or the marriage in 1871 / 72 for a child born in 1873. Good luck! Rachel -----Original Message----- From: Catherine Randall [mailto:carcr@interhop.net] Sent: 06 January 2006 21:53 To: ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEY] Marriage Records On my gr.grandfather's marriage reg. of 1862 his father's name is mentioned but not indicated as deceased when, in fact, he had died in 1853 Cathy > Does anyone know anything about the practice of entering the identity of > the bride, or groom's parent, even though they are deceased? I have such > an instance. I feel sure I have the right guy, but just wondered if > anyone knew for sure. > > Janet ==== ENG-MERSEYSIDE Mailing List ==== <a href="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/ENG-MERSEYSIDE.html ">ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L List netiquette ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429 ==== ENG-MERSEYSIDE Mailing List ==== You can search or browse the archives of this list and also change membership - move from digest to normal mail mode, or vice versa and sub and unsub at this link http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-MERSEYSIDE.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

I was so excited I forgot to confirm that he was stated to be 54 when he died, and described as "Surgeon". Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet" <wightway@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEY] Marriage Records > Oh boy! That would be great. I am hoping a death record might reveal the identity of the parent. The name is David KIRKPATRICK, born 1783 according to the record of his death in Cheshire Parish records. I dont know where he was born, which is one of my purposes. His wife was Mary Sillers/Sellers and her Mother was a Johnson. > > Regards > Janet > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "michael acton" <michaelacton587@msn.com> > > >> Hi If its any help I have access to 1837.com and can do a look up for a >> death if you can give the details you have. >> >> >> Mike

Oh boy! That would be great. I am hoping a death record might reveal the identity of the parent. The name is David KIRKPATRICK, born 1783 according to the record of his death in Cheshire Parish records. I dont know where he was born, which is one of my purposes. His wife was Mary Sillers/Sellers and her Mother was a Johnson. Regards Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael acton" <michaelacton587@msn.com> To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEY] Marriage Records > Hi If its any help I have access to 1837.com and can do a look up for a > death if you can give the details you have. > > > Mike

Hi If its any help I have access to 1837.com and can do a look up for a death if you can give the details you have. Mike www.freewebs.com/connectionsuk for all missing people searches. _________________________________________________________________ Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger 7.5 today! http://messenger.msn.co.uk

Thanks Mike. Its important to be able to make sure that one has the right parent. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael acton" <michaelacton587@msn.com> > Hi Yes the parents details should have deceased on the certificate but I > have had instances where this was not mentioned and it should have been. > > Mike

Mike: If you can, I would appreciate the details of a death of RICHARD BUSH June qtr of 1876 aged 36 - Winchester Vol. 2c Pg. 67 (from free BDM). Thank you.

Hi Yes the parents details should have deceased on the certificate but I have had instances where this was not mentioned and it should have been. Mike www.freewebs.com/connectionsuk for all missing people searches. _________________________________________________________________ Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger 7.5 today! http://messenger.msn.co.uk

Does anyone know anything about the practice of entering the identity of the bride, or groom's parent, even though they are deceased? I have such an instance. I feel sure I have the right guy, but just wondered if anyone knew for sure. Janet Traced: Dun/Dunn, Angus Sherret, Kincardineshire Chester, Glasgow Rowat, Campbell, Argyll http://www.globechatters.net

On my gr.grandfather's marriage reg. of 1862 his father's name is mentioned but not indicated as deceased when, in fact, he had died in 1853 Cathy > Does anyone know anything about the practice of entering the identity of > the bride, or groom's parent, even though they are deceased? I have such > an instance. I feel sure I have the right guy, but just wondered if > anyone knew for sure. > > Janet

Hi Mike, Is it possible for you to kindly look-up my g/father, as I am having the same problem as Janet; William Quinn b.1852 Liverpool..last known address in 1891 was 9 Kew Street.Liverpool. and no record found of him in 1901 Census. Thanking you in advance Cathy

In a message dated 02/01/2006 18:43:57 GMT Standard Time, chriscunningham@ntlworld.com writes: Andrew McMaster wife Josephine and more children + 3 servants in 1901 - image sent off list. Thanks very much. Mike

Still searching for connections to the above families from the Bebington area and also ROBERTS and QUAY from Neston. Hazel

Andrew McMaster wife Josephine and more children + 3 servants in 1901 - image sent off list. Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: <MRedwickjo@aol.com> To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 5:29 PM Subject: [ENG-MERSEY] McMasters Liverpool Irish > > > My g g grandfather was John McMaster (1808-1861), a weaver, then soldier, > then dock labourer, born Clonfeacle parish, Co Armagh, N. Ireland, and > died > 147 Bedford St., Liverpool. > > I have reason to believe that George McMaster (1813-1882) could have been > his younger brother. George was born in Ireland and died in Liverpool. He > was > married to a Jane (?Walters), who was also born in Ireland about 1821. > They > lived at 21 Upper Stanhope Street in Liverpool for many years. > > George and Jane had a son called Andrew. He was born in Liverpool in 1855 > and became a master stevedore (docker). He married Alice Maude Thompson > (born > 1866 in Birkenhead, Merseyside, England), in Liverpool in 1887. In 1891 > this > family lived at 2 Palm Hill, Birkenhead. They had 2 sons, George (born > Liverpool in 1890) and Andrew (born Birkenhead in 1892). Alice died in > 1895 and > Andrew married a Josephine. They had a daughter Eileen (born Birkenhead > in 1897) > and maybe other children. > > Does anyone have further details of this family and/or their descendants? > > Mike > > > > > ==== ENG-MERSEYSIDE Mailing List ==== > Lancashire Online Parish Clerks www.lan-opc.org.uk > Volunteers needed for Liverpool Online Parish clerks > www.lan-opc.org.uk/Liverpool/index.html > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

Happy New Year Listers, Great Day yesterday walking on New Brighton Prom, the world and his wife were out strolling on the Prom. Families, kids, Mums, Dads Grans and Granddads, Dogs etc .. Great ... I am glad I live on the Wirral and near to New Brighton. Right... had to get that off my chest but our annual stroll on News Years Day, somewhere on the Wirral, always reminds me why I love living here on Merseyside. MY INTERESTS in Birkenhead, Tranmere, Liverpool and the rest of Cheshire LEA, ANY from Harthill and Burwardsley, anytime, Altrincham (errant Gr.GF Thomas LEA born 1834 who left his wife Sarah in Birkenhead and started another family) Tranmere, Birkenhead, Leasowe and Moreton. Legitimate Children, Job William alias Joseph, John Thomas, Mary Ann died 1877, Frances who married Alfred WOODCOCK. 2nd Family to Ellen/Eleanor FORD Frank born 1877 and George Albert born 1883. GRIFFITH JONES or GRIFFITHS or JONES, originally from Mold pre 1834, then various children born in Birkenhead, Swindon, Crewe, Tranmere and Birkenhead Leasowe. FOXLEY, ANY, originally from Leftwich pre 1820, then Liverpool from 1851 (mainly Toxteth Park) then some moved over to Moreton and Wallasey. RICHARDS, Francis William Hazlehurst RICHARDS born c1836 MDX married to Sarah Ann BURGESS born c1842 NFK. SEARCHING FOR MARRIGE, IF ANY, FOR ABOUT 7 YEARS!!! Lived in Toxteth Park from about 1865 but their daughter Mary Ann Burgess married David Edward Griffiths alias David Edward Griffith Jones in 1885 St Thomas Walton on the Hill. I would love to hear from anyone descended from of any of these families. Wendy ll

My g g grandfather was John McMaster (1808-1861), a weaver, then soldier, then dock labourer, born Clonfeacle parish, Co Armagh, N. Ireland, and died 147 Bedford St., Liverpool. I have reason to believe that George McMaster (1813-1882) could have been his younger brother. George was born in Ireland and died in Liverpool. He was married to a Jane (?Walters), who was also born in Ireland about 1821. They lived at 21 Upper Stanhope Street in Liverpool for many years. George and Jane had a son called Andrew. He was born in Liverpool in 1855 and became a master stevedore (docker). He married Alice Maude Thompson (born 1866 in Birkenhead, Merseyside, England), in Liverpool in 1887. In 1891 this family lived at 2 Palm Hill, Birkenhead. They had 2 sons, George (born Liverpool in 1890) and Andrew (born Birkenhead in 1892). Alice died in 1895 and Andrew married a Josephine. They had a daughter Eileen (born Birkenhead in 1897) and maybe other children. Does anyone have further details of this family and/or their descendants? Mike

I am researching the following names - BANKS : Stretton (Cheshire), Manchester (Lancs) BRADBURY : Lymm (Cheshire) BROWNBILL : St Helens (Lancs) CALLAGHAN : St Helens (Lancs), Ireland DANIELS : Bowdon (Cheshire) GABRIEL : St Helens (Lancs), Liverpool (Lancs), Dublin (Ireland) GARDNER : Dublin (Ireland) GRATWICH : Barlaston (Staffs) HIGHAM : Lymm (Cheshire), Leigh (Lancs) JOHNSON : Over Peover (Cheshire) JOHNSON : Barlaston (Staffs) JOHNS(T)ON : Wallasey (Cheshire), Birkenhead (Cheshire), Hull (East Riding), North Shields/Tynemouth (Northumberland), Ryton (Co. Durham) JONES : Whitchurch (Shrops) LEIGH : Lymm (Cheshire) MILLER : Lymm (Cheshire), Grappenhall (Cheshire) MOSTON/MOSSON : Lymm (Cheshire), Over Peover (Cheshire), Marthall (Cheshire), Snelson (Cheshire) MYCOCK : Barlaston (Staffs) NORBURY : Liverpool (Lancs) PERCIVAL : Lymm (Cheshire), Antrobus (Cheshire) RICHARDSON : Lymm (Cheshire), Prescot (Lancs) TABERN : St Helens (Lancs) THOMPSON : North Shields/Tynemouth (Northumberland) WILLIAMSON : Cheshire WINSTANLEY : Lymm (Cheshire) WOOTTON : Barlaston (Staffs), Moddershall (Staffs), Stone (Staffs) I would be pleased to hear from anyone with similar interests. Thanks Tim

Caryl. Thank You. All the Best to you and all Rory

I'd like to wish all of our listers a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year Thanks for all list contributions and help given to others May the coming year bring you all new discoveries along the ancestral trail... Caryl List Admin

A very Happy and safe Christmas to everyone on the list and many thanks for your help recently in my search for my friend Sybil's email address.Margaret in Australia----- Original Message ----- From: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 7:02 PM Subject: ENG-MERSEYSIDE-D Digest V05 #150