Sorry Betty - Grace is a friend on another list with an e-mail address very similar to your B&G! Marj Legally, they probably could marry, and in the "Table of Kindred and Affinity" at the back of the Book of Common Prayer it doesn't appear to prohibit marriage by cousins - aunts and uncles are taboo, but not their children, it seems. I know it was definitely frowned upon in my own family when two first cousins wanted to marry - the family kept them apart, which was quite easy since one was RC and lived in Dundalk, Ireland, and the other was Protestant and lived in Bootle, Liverpool. They both married other people, although they were heartbroken at the time - I remember it all because it was about 1950. Marj Does anyone know what the situation was as regards first cousins marrying in mid 1800s? I have a pair who I am pretty sure were cousins who went on to have 10 children but I cannot find a marriage for them. From what I have been told the parents tried to discourage relationship. Betty

Hello, I have an idea it is still possible here in England & Wales, though discouraged and, where appropriate tested genetically. In Scotland there is no such formality today and I have two incidents of it in my paternal family. The formalities for marriage changed with effect from 1837, before which time, Licences to marry were obtained. I guess, therefore, there would be no rigid formalities and no questions asked which could not be got around. I would just offer the thought that from my own experience, I have found there is a distinct pattern in illnesses such as bronchitis and osteo arthritis in my paternal family which has clearly been inherited. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marged" <marged36@btopenworld.com> > Hi Grace > > Legally, they probably could marry, and in the "Table of Kindred and Affinity" at the back of the Book of Common Prayer it doesn't appear to prohibit marriage by cousins - aunts and uncles are taboo, but not their children, it seems. > > I know it was definitely frowned upon in my own family when two first cousins wanted to marry - the family kept them apart, which was quite easy since one was RC and lived in Dundalk, Ireland, and the other was Protestant and lived in Bootle, Liverpool. They both married other people, although they were heartbroken at the time - I remember it all because it was about 1950. > > Marj > > > > Does anyone know what the situation was as regards first cousins > marrying in mid 1800s? I have a pair who I am pretty sure were > cousins who went on to have 10 children but I cannot find a > marriage for them. From what I have been told the parents tried > to discourage relationship. > Betty

Hi Grace Legally, they probably could marry, and in the "Table of Kindred and Affinity" at the back of the Book of Common Prayer it doesn't appear to prohibit marriage by cousins - aunts and uncles are taboo, but not their children, it seems. I know it was definitely frowned upon in my own family when two first cousins wanted to marry - the family kept them apart, which was quite easy since one was RC and lived in Dundalk, Ireland, and the other was Protestant and lived in Bootle, Liverpool. They both married other people, although they were heartbroken at the time - I remember it all because it was about 1950. Marj Does anyone know what the situation was as regards first cousins marrying in mid 1800s? I have a pair who I am pretty sure were cousins who went on to have 10 children but I cannot find a marriage for them. From what I have been told the parents tried to discourage relationship. Betty

Margaret Which O'BRIEN family around Merseyside 1840-1902 are you researching? We may be able to help each other. Jennifer >Does anyone know what name the pet name of Polly is short for? >Posting my interests. O'Brien ,Fergusson ,Richardson , Fletcher , >Grimes,Austin, Hughes, Loche,Coe,Manning, Wooding, >Ibbs,Jackson,Cavendish,Scholes,Hull,Shallcroft. All in and around >Merseyside between 1840 and 1902. Margaret in Australia >----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 10:26 AM >

Jennifer, I have a Catherine who signed on her proposed sister-in-law's Martha LLOYD's MC as O'Brien. When she married she signs as BRYAN. Catherine b Cork, IRE 1855 father is Morgan BRYAN Catherine m in 15 Oct 1875 at St. Nicholas to Joseph LLOYD Catherine and Joseph had 2 sons, Edward 1876, Joseph 1878. Anything familiar? Regards, Marjorie in USA Margaret Which O'BRIEN family around Merseyside 1840-1902 are you researching? We may be able to help each other. Jennifer >Does anyone know what name the pet name of Polly is short for? >Posting my interests. O'Brien ,Fergusson ,Richardson , Fletcher , >Grimes,Austin, Hughes, Loche,Coe,Manning, Wooding, >Ibbs,Jackson,Cavendish,Scholes,Hull,Shallcroft. All in and around >Merseyside between 1840 and 1902. Margaret in Australia >----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 10:26 AM

Just posting my one and only HUGHES to see if anyone can match up. Alice HUGHES born c1873 Great Crosby. married Edward ALTY born 1868 (West Derby Reg District) on 19th June 1892 @ St Peter & Paul, Crosby. They had three children (Elizabeth) Alice ALTY b1893, Edward ALTY b1895, James ALTY b1898. In 1901 census they lived at 12 Kilnyard Cottages, Gt Crosby and she was aged 28 years. Can anyone match up this HUGHES to their tree? I have census 1851 - 1901 so please don't look these up for me as I don't wish to waste anyones time. Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: <JJWENDY@aol.com> To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEY] Re: [ENG-MERSEY) ELIZABETH HUGHES born around 1877 > Hi,my Elizabeth Ann Hughes was born in Hoylake 1897,I dont have a husband > for her but her father was john Hughes 1857 from Birkenhead.I have a John > Hughes > born 1877 from Flint who played for Liverpool FC and a John Hughes also > 1877 > who was Elizabeth Anns brother!If anyone wants to view my tree you are > more > than welcome,the link is _http://www.gencircles.com/users/jjwendy/11_ > (http://www.gencircles.com/users/jjwendy/11) > > All the best,wendy(nee Hughes) > > > ==== ENG-MERSEYSIDE Mailing List ==== > You can search or browse the archives of this list and also change > membership - move from digest to normal mail mode, or vice versa and sub > and unsub at this link > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-MERSEYSIDE.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Does anyone know when the England 1841 census is going online. I`m awaiting the event with baited breath. Regards Cassandra

Wendy, My John Hughes was born about 1887 in Liverpool. His father was Hugh Hughes and mother was Elizabeth Ann Robinson. As yet, I don't have any other details for John but I am aware that most of my rellies came from the Toxteth Park area of Liverpool and some even lived in Beau Street at some time. Please keep me in mind if any other info crops up. I am hoping this will be the case. Kindest regards Syl - UK (snip) > hi i have a john hughes father of elizabeth ann hughes who married james > connolly 27 september 1897 beau street everton.john hughes was a tailor , > but deceased by 1897. they married in all saints church.it looks like a r

hi i have a john hughes father of elizabeth ann hughes who married james connolly 27 september 1897 beau street everton.john hughes was a tailor , but deceased by 1897. they married in all saints church.it looks like a r hughes was one of the witnesses. ----- Original Message ----- From: "sylvia hughes" <sh001k2186@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEY] Re:posting my surnames > Hi Wendy, I am interested in your Hugheses from Liverpool. Do you have > parents for John? I have John of similar age in my tree also. > > Regards > > Syl - UK > > ==== ENG-MERSEYSIDE Mailing List ==== > You can search or browse the archives of this list and also change > membership - move from digest to normal mail mode, or vice versa and sub > and unsub at this link > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-MERSEYSIDE.html > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > >

Hi Wendy, I am interested in your Hugheses from Liverpool. Do you have parents for John? I have John of similar age in my tree also. Regards Syl - UK

Hello Margaret I have a rellie who was Mary but known as Polly. "The girl's name Polly is pronounced PAH-lee. It is of English and Irish origin. Variant of Molly; nickname of Mary (Latin) "star of the sea." http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/Polly Regards Joanne NSW Aust ----- Original Message ----- From: "margaret davies" <maglez@bigpond.com> To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 10:41 AM Subject: [ENG-MERSEY] Re:posting my surnames > Does anyone know what name the pet name of Polly is short for? > Posting my interests. O'Brien ,Fergusson ,Richardson , Fletcher ,

Does anyone know what name the pet name of Polly is short for? Posting my interests. O'Brien ,Fergusson ,Richardson , Fletcher , Grimes,Austin, Hughes, Loche,Coe,Manning, Wooding, Ibbs,Jackson,Cavendish,Scholes,Hull,Shallcroft. All in and around Merseyside between 1840 and 1902. Margaret in Australia ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 10:26 AM > ENG-MERSEYSIDE-D Digest Volume 06 : Issue 15 > > Today's Topics: > #1 Reposting Interests ["Tim Callaghan" > <tim.callaghan@4hs] > #2 Re: [ENG-MERSEY] Reposting Interes ["Janet" > <wightway@tiscali.co.uk>] > #3 East Wirral Address Whereabouts [Cynvogel@aol.com] > #4 RE: [ENG-MERSEY] East Wirral Addre ["Andrew Price" > <mailgroups@price.a] > #5 RE: [ENG-MERSEY] East Wirral Addre ["Kathy Withers" > <kathy_withers@tis] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from ENG-MERSEYSIDE-D, send a message to > > ENG-MERSEYSIDE-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > To contact the ENG-MERSEYSIDE-D list administrator, send mail to > ENG-MERSEYSIDE-admin@rootsweb.com. > > ______________________________

Hi,my Elizabeth Ann Hughes was born in Hoylake 1897,I dont have a husband for her but her father was john Hughes 1857 from Birkenhead.I have a John Hughes born 1877 from Flint who played for Liverpool FC and a John Hughes also 1877 who was Elizabeth Anns brother!If anyone wants to view my tree you are more than welcome,the link is _http://www.gencircles.com/users/jjwendy/11_ (http://www.gencircles.com/users/jjwendy/11) All the best,wendy(nee Hughes)

Hi Margaret,I have over a 100 Hughes from Liverpool/Birkenhead/Wallasey/Hoylake,do you have a John Hughes 1857 married Elizabeth Ann Eccles 1856 in 1875?They are my G Grandparents, wendy Bew,Bird,Dodd,Eccles,Hughes,Varley _http://www.gencircles.com/users/jjwendy/11_ (http://www.gencircles.com/users/jjwendy/11)

Margaret... Polly is name for Mary...... I have HUGHES in Liverpool family tree...what are yours? Regards, David PONTEE

Hi Cynthia there was a work house there not sure if this is what your after http://users.ox.ac.uk/~peter/workhouse/Wirral/Wirral1881.html may help you good luck. Kathy -----Original Message----- From: Cynvogel@aol.com [mailto:Cynvogel@aol.com] Sent: 04 February 2006 19:17 To: ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-MERSEY] East Wirral Address Whereabouts Would anyone know what the following address might mean; i.e., whereabouts, an institution, in East Wirral, Cheshire? 5 Clatterbridge, Poulton cum Spitel U.D. Thank you, Cynthia in California ==== ENG-MERSEYSIDE Mailing List ==== <a href="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/ENG-MERSEYSIDE.html ">ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L List netiquette</A> ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.15.1/250 - Release Date: 03/02/2006

http://www.fhsc.org.uk/genuki/chs/poulton3.html Poulton cum Spital was a parish in Bebington. Clatterbridge is a village nearby. Most known now for Clatterbridge Hospital, a cancer centre: http://www.ccotrust.nhs.uk/ Nice rural area on the Wirral. The UD is usually seen as USD meaning Urban Sanitary District. Regards Andrew -----Original Message----- From: Cynvogel@aol.com [mailto:Cynvogel@aol.com] Sent: 04 February 2006 19:17 To: ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-MERSEY] East Wirral Address Whereabouts Would anyone know what the following address might mean; i.e., whereabouts, an institution, in East Wirral, Cheshire? 5 Clatterbridge, Poulton cum Spitel U.D. Thank you, Cynthia in California ==== ENG-MERSEYSIDE Mailing List ==== <a href="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/ENG-MERSEYSIDE.html ">ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L List netiquette</A> ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

I apologise if I have responded to you previously, but I have a remote interest in JOHNSON John Sillers/Sellers & Mary Johnson 7/5/1788. Saint Peter Church Street, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Callaghan" <tim.callaghan@4hstc.freeserve.co.uk> >I am researching the following names - > > BANKS : Stretton (Cheshire), Manchester (Lancs)BRADBURY : Lymm (Cheshire) > BROWNBILL : St Helens (Lancs) > CALLAGHAN : St Helens (Lancs), Ireland > DANIELS : Bowdon (Cheshire) > GABRIEL : St Helens (Lancs), Liverpool (Lancs), Dublin (Ireland) > GARDNER : Dublin (Ireland) > GRATWICH : Barlaston (Staffs) > HIGHAM : Lymm (Cheshire), Leigh (Lancs) > JOHNSON : Over Peover (Cheshire) > JOHNSON : Barlaston (Staffs) > JOHNS(T)ON : Wallasey (Cheshire), Birkenhead (Cheshire), Hull (East Riding), > North Shields/Tynemouth (Northumberland), Ryton (Co. Durham) > JONES : Whitchurch (Shrops) > LEIGH : Lymm (Cheshire) > MILLER : Lymm (Cheshire), Grappenhall (Cheshire) > MOSTON/MOSSON : Lymm (Cheshire), Over Peover (Cheshire), Marthall > (Cheshire), Snelson (Cheshire) > MYCOCK : Barlaston (Staffs) > NORBURY : Liverpool (Lancs) > PERCIVAL : Lymm (Cheshire), Antrobus (Cheshire) > RICHARDSON : Lymm (Cheshire), Prescot (Lancs) > TABERN : St Helens (Lancs) > THOMPSON : North Shields/Tynemouth (Northumberland) > WILLIAMSON : Cheshire > WINSTANLEY : Lymm (Cheshire) > WOOTTON : Barlaston (Staffs), Moddershall (Staffs), Stone (Staffs) > > I would be pleased to hear from anyone with similar interests. > > Thanks > > Tim

I am researching the following names - BANKS : Stretton (Cheshire), Manchester (Lancs)BRADBURY : Lymm (Cheshire) BROWNBILL : St Helens (Lancs) CALLAGHAN : St Helens (Lancs), Ireland DANIELS : Bowdon (Cheshire) GABRIEL : St Helens (Lancs), Liverpool (Lancs), Dublin (Ireland) GARDNER : Dublin (Ireland) GRATWICH : Barlaston (Staffs) HIGHAM : Lymm (Cheshire), Leigh (Lancs) JOHNSON : Over Peover (Cheshire) JOHNSON : Barlaston (Staffs) JOHNS(T)ON : Wallasey (Cheshire), Birkenhead (Cheshire), Hull (East Riding), North Shields/Tynemouth (Northumberland), Ryton (Co. Durham) JONES : Whitchurch (Shrops) LEIGH : Lymm (Cheshire) MILLER : Lymm (Cheshire), Grappenhall (Cheshire) MOSTON/MOSSON : Lymm (Cheshire), Over Peover (Cheshire), Marthall (Cheshire), Snelson (Cheshire) MYCOCK : Barlaston (Staffs) NORBURY : Liverpool (Lancs) PERCIVAL : Lymm (Cheshire), Antrobus (Cheshire) RICHARDSON : Lymm (Cheshire), Prescot (Lancs) TABERN : St Helens (Lancs) THOMPSON : North Shields/Tynemouth (Northumberland) WILLIAMSON : Cheshire WINSTANLEY : Lymm (Cheshire) WOOTTON : Barlaston (Staffs), Moddershall (Staffs), Stone (Staffs) I would be pleased to hear from anyone with similar interests. Thanks Tim

Would anyone know what the following address might mean; i.e., whereabouts, an institution, in East Wirral, Cheshire? 5 Clatterbridge, Poulton cum Spitel U.D. Thank you, Cynthia in California