Hi peeps I was wondering if anyone maybe able to shed any light on the where's abouts of one of my grt grt grt grandfather Herbert Wardle he was a brick layer. I have searched high and low for months but he disappears for after 1851 till 1875. Here are the details I have for him, his D.O.B changes a lot on some of the census. I have found a christening for Herbert Wardle 23 Sept 1832 Church of England. 1841 Census - Herbert Wardle b. 1833 Rocester living in Rocester, Staffordshire with his parents and siblings 1851 Census - Herbert Wardle b.1833 Rocester living in Rocester, Staffordshire with his parents and siblings 1875 - Marriage to Emma Ackerly in Hulme Manchester 1881 Census - Herbert Wardle b. 1832 Rocester & Emma living in Manchester with children 1891 Census - Herbert Wardle b.1837 Rocester & Emma living in Manchester with children 1901 Census - Herbert Wardle b.1841 Rocester & Emma living in Manchester with children Also I have found a possible marriage in 1854 to Ellen Norris in Manchester then they show up on the 1861 census in North Meols, Southport with a daughter but then they disappear after 1861 too. Cheers Sharon x

Sharon, You probably know that enumerators commonly rounded off the ages of adults, so don't be surprised to see variances. As far as your family's whereabouts in any particular census year, there is a number of possibilities. The most obvious would be variant spellings of your family's name. As a census transcriber myself, I am aware of how much variance there can be, so don't overlook Waddell, Wardell, Wardlaw, et.c. 'W' sometimes looked like 'H' in handwriting, so could be 'Hardle' , et.c. Unfortunately some people just were not enumerated. I searched years for a family in Scotland and eventually found them in the north of England for the 1881 only. Good luck/ Elizabeth Dods elizd77@rogers.com On 12-Aug-06, at 7:28 AM, Sharon Boyd wrote: > Hi peeps > > > > I was wondering if anyone maybe able to shed any light on the > where's abouts > of one of my grt grt grt grandfather Herbert Wardle he was a brick > layer. I > have searched high and low for months but he disappears for after > 1851 till > 1875. Here are the details I have for him, his D.O.B changes a lot > on some > of the census. > > > > I have found a christening for Herbert Wardle 23 Sept 1832 Church of > England. > > > > 1841 Census - > > Herbert Wardle b. 1833 Rocester living in Rocester, Staffordshire > with his > parents and siblings > > > > 1851 Census - > > Herbert Wardle b.1833 Rocester living in Rocester, Staffordshire > with his > parents and siblings > > > > 1875 - Marriage to Emma Ackerly in Hulme Manchester > > > > 1881 Census - > > Herbert Wardle b. 1832 Rocester & Emma living in Manchester with > children > > > > 1891 Census - > > Herbert Wardle b.1837 Rocester & Emma living in Manchester with > children > > > > 1901 Census - > > Herbert Wardle b.1841 Rocester & Emma living in Manchester with > children > > > > Also I have found a possible marriage in 1854 to Ellen Norris in > Manchester > then they show up on the 1861 census in North Meols, Southport with a > daughter but then they disappear after 1861 too. > > > > Cheers > > > > Sharon > > x > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-MERSEYSIDE Mailing List ==== > You can search or browse the archives of this list and also change > membership - move from digest to normal mail mode, or vice versa > and sub and unsub at this link > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-MERSEYSIDE.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and > the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Hello all, Wallasey Group of the Family History Society of Cheshire will be holding a help desk at Earlston Road Library, Wallasey ( near Rake Lane Cemetery) tomorrow from 10am till 1pm’ish. We can try to help you will your research regardless of wherever your family came from in the UK. If you’re just starting out or even a seasoned researcher, please pay us a visit at the help desk or the group meetings. There is usually amble parking around the library and a lift is available to the reference section on the first floor. No problems for Wheelchair users. Also toilet facilities. Should we be inundated with visitors, please allow time to be seen and limit your queries to your most important one as we want to help as many as we can during the time slot. At the moment there is only 2 people on the help desk. GROUP MEETING TUESDAY 15 AUGUST 2006, YMCA, MANOR ROAD, WALLASEY ( ABOUT 500YDS DOWN THE ROAD FROM THE POLICE STATION NEXT TO THE BIG CHURCH ON THE CORNER). * Our first August meeting for a long time, please come along. Our Speakers for the next two months are ; * * August 15th - Tales of the Tranmere Workhouse, by Roy Dennett * September 19th - The History of the Bibby Line, by Christina Spencer. Time 7.30pm-9.30, Refreshments, Entrance £1, visitors and members welcome. Car parking on site or outside the building. A ramp is available for wheelchair users and we are on the ground floor. Any further enquiries you can ring me on 0151 200 0626. Look forward to seeing you, Wendy Bennett, Group Leader.

My g/grandmother HANNAH HOWARD b c1860- Liverpool, D 1889--Have her m to John Regan 1880-on m cert says father was GEORGE ---Mariner (deceased)-if they stuck to the ? usual pattern of naming their 1st daughter after mothers mother-her mother would have been Mary Ann-(2nd dau. Hannah Elizabeth-& Johns mother was Catherine) Did find a poss. birth & have cert-for a Hannah Howard Oct 1860 with mother Mary Howard nee Murphy but father is Lawrence-could be his other name- (living at Dryden St L/ppol(labourer)-but unable to find them on any records so far. Any suggestions or help appreciated Brenda From a beautiful day here in Tasmania

And then some of us sit back and receive mails willing to help but at the same time we are cemented into a brick wall as in my case. ;-) Janet My names: KIRKPATRICK, JOHNSON, SILLERS or SELLERS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Durkin" <thedurk@btinternet.com> > Hi John > > I think Marged just started replying to the wrong e-mail and clicked 'send' > instead of delete - hence her second message. > > Good idea to repost interests and questions, we get new people joining lists > all the time so ever hopeful of a breakthrough!! > > And talking of reposting - I wondered if anyone on the list has 'claimed' > the Sarah BALDWIN who married Henry IRVING at Wavertree, St Michael in 1872. > And if so, do they know where she was born. She's the only possible find so > far for my great-great-grandmother Sarah IRVING born in Enville, > Staffordshire, who was a widow by the 1891 and 1901 census living with her > daughter and family (George and Mary GUY and children) but I can't find her > in 1881. > > And to complicate matters, I thought my grandmother was born Sarah GUY the > daughter of George and Mary GUY. But I then found she was born before their > marriage as Sarah IRVING on 21 January 1887 and no father on the birth > certificate. > > Sandra

Thanks a million Sandra, for your understanding - that's exactly what happened! I have written to John off list and hope he will accept my explanation and apology. Marged Hi John I think Marged just started replying to the wrong e-mail and clicked 'send' instead of delete - hence her second message.

Hi John I think Marged just started replying to the wrong e-mail and clicked 'send' instead of delete - hence her second message. Good idea to repost interests and questions, we get new people joining lists all the time so ever hopeful of a breakthrough!! And talking of reposting - I wondered if anyone on the list has 'claimed' the Sarah BALDWIN who married Henry IRVING at Wavertree, St Michael in 1872. And if so, do they know where she was born. She's the only possible find so far for my great-great-grandmother Sarah IRVING born in Enville, Staffordshire, who was a widow by the 1891 and 1901 census living with her daughter and family (George and Mary GUY and children) but I can't find her in 1881. And to complicate matters, I thought my grandmother was born Sarah GUY the daughter of George and Mary GUY. But I then found she was born before their marriage as Sarah IRVING on 21 January 1887 and no father on the birth certificate. Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: "john farrall" <jfarrall@cox.net> To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEY] Searching for Information on Orphans and Adoptions c. 1850 > Marged, > I am not sure what point you were trying to make. Yes, I posted a > similar message last year and got a few leads, but nothing of real > substance. I know that adoption was not a legal process until 1927. I > was looking for some fresh ideas and suggestions - which is exactly what I > received this time. My focus this time was the GREEN family raising an > orphan and keeping the name apparently given her by the church. There are > new listers joining this and other similar sites everyday. Many people > repost their surname lists, as I have done and will continue to do. I see > nothing wrong in taking a fresh look at an old problem. > > Regards, > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marged" <marged36@btopenworld.com> > To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 4:16 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEY] Searching for Information on Orphans and > Adoptions c. 1850 > > >> Sorry about that - sent to wrong address! >> >> Marged (early in the morning - well, earlyish1) >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Marged >> To: ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 9:05 AM >> Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEY] Searching for Information on Orphans and >> Adoptions c. 1850 >> >> >> Another >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: john farrall >> To: ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 12:34 AM >> Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEY] Searching for Information on Orphans and >> Adoptions c. 1850 >> >> >> Janet, >> Thank you for your kind response. Here in the US, I have tried to >> understand the process. Needless to say, she was semi-adopted - but >> not >> officially - the the GREEN family. Would they be required to pay >> fees? >> >> John >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Janet" <wightway@tiscali.co.uk> >> To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 7:21 PM >> Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEY] Searching for Information on Orphans and >> Adoptions >> c. 1850 >> >> >> > Formal adoption did not take place in England and Wales until >> 1927/1930. >> > I am quite sure however that there was a system of "fostering" as we >> know >> > it today. I wonder about a foundling being christened. Who might >> have >> > arranged it of an orphan. >> > I realise that these thoughts of mine don't help much, but maybe >> others >> > will come forward to add to what I have said. >> > >> > >> > Janet >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "john farrall" <jfarrall@cox.net> >> > >> >> Listers, >> >> I would appreciate some guidance here. For background, my great >> >> grandmother was an orphan left on the church steps of St. >> Catherine's >> >> Church >> >> in Bebington on 20 June 1850. She was Christened on 21 June 1850 >> as Mary >> >> BEBINGTON (named after the town). She is listed in the 1851 census >> for >> >> BEBINGTON as a nurse child in the family of Thomas and Hannah >> GREEN. In >> >> the >> >> 1861 census, she is listed as Mary BEBINGTON in the GREEN family. >> In >> >> 1871, >> >> she is working for another family and is listed as Mary BEBINGTON. >> She >> >> married my great grandfather - John FARRALL - in 1873, and the >> marriage >> >> certificate has a blank space for the father. Her name is listed >> as Mary >> >> BEBINGTON. The death certificates for two of her sons - John and >> Samuel- >> >> (California) listed the mother's maiden name as GREEN. No official >> >> document >> >> show that she legally used the name GREEN. My question concerns >> the >> >> adoption/non-adoption procedures in Cheshire/UK in the later half >> of the >> >> century. Were families expected to pay extra monies to the county? >> >> Mary did receive a congratulatory letter and cablegram from King >> >> George >> >> VI on her 100 birthday in 1850. Palace regulations state that >> proof >> >> must >> >> be provided. 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Yes, the age of majority was 21 at that time. I think you will find that a ship's carpenter was a shipwright, so your carpenters took to the sea at some time. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: <ian.plimmer@ntlworld.com> > certificate arrived today: > > marr Dec 1860, St Paul's, Liverpool > > James BURNETT, full age, bach. carpenter, of Liverpool, father James BURNETT carpenter > > to > > Mary HOWARD, minor, spin. of Liverpool, father John Davies HOWARD, coppersmith > > 1851 BURNETTs above are shipwrights > > 1861 elder BURNETT still as a shipwright - can't finder junior > > 1871 junior BURNETT as a shipwright - not sure of elder's location - Mary is aged 30 > > So is a minor any age under 21? > > And is a carpenter equal to a shipwright? > > (sorry if they seem silly questions, just checking!) > > Many thanks, > > Ian.

certificate arrived today: marr Dec 1860, St Paul's, Liverpool James BURNETT, full age, bach. carpenter, of Liverpool, father James BURNETT carpenter to Mary HOWARD, minor, spin. of Liverpool, father John Davies HOWARD, coppersmith 1851 BURNETTs above are shipwrights 1861 elder BURNETT still as a shipwright - can't finder junior 1871 junior BURNETT as a shipwright - not sure of elder's location - Mary is aged 30 So is a minor any age under 21? And is a carpenter equal to a shipwright? (sorry if they seem silly questions, just checking!) Many thanks, Ian. ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information

Marged, I am not sure what point you were trying to make. Yes, I posted a similar message last year and got a few leads, but nothing of real substance. I know that adoption was not a legal process until 1927. I was looking for some fresh ideas and suggestions - which is exactly what I received this time. My focus this time was the GREEN family raising an orphan and keeping the name apparently given her by the church. There are new listers joining this and other similar sites everyday. Many people repost their surname lists, as I have done and will continue to do. I see nothing wrong in taking a fresh look at an old problem. Regards, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marged" <marged36@btopenworld.com> To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 4:16 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEY] Searching for Information on Orphans and Adoptions c. 1850 > Sorry about that - sent to wrong address! > > Marged (early in the morning - well, earlyish1) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Marged > To: ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 9:05 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEY] Searching for Information on Orphans and > Adoptions c. 1850 > > > Another > ----- Original Message ----- > From: john farrall > To: ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 12:34 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEY] Searching for Information on Orphans and > Adoptions c. 1850 > > > Janet, > Thank you for your kind response. Here in the US, I have tried to > understand the process. Needless to say, she was semi-adopted - but > not > officially - the the GREEN family. Would they be required to pay fees? > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janet" <wightway@tiscali.co.uk> > To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 7:21 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEY] Searching for Information on Orphans and > Adoptions > c. 1850 > > > > Formal adoption did not take place in England and Wales until > 1927/1930. > > I am quite sure however that there was a system of "fostering" as we > know > > it today. I wonder about a foundling being christened. Who might > have > > arranged it of an orphan. > > I realise that these thoughts of mine don't help much, but maybe > others > > will come forward to add to what I have said. > > > > > > Janet > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "john farrall" <jfarrall@cox.net> > > > >> Listers, > >> I would appreciate some guidance here. For background, my great > >> grandmother was an orphan left on the church steps of St. > Catherine's > >> Church > >> in Bebington on 20 June 1850. She was Christened on 21 June 1850 as > Mary > >> BEBINGTON (named after the town). She is listed in the 1851 census > for > >> BEBINGTON as a nurse child in the family of Thomas and Hannah GREEN. > In > >> the > >> 1861 census, she is listed as Mary BEBINGTON in the GREEN family. > In > >> 1871, > >> she is working for another family and is listed as Mary BEBINGTON. > She > >> married my great grandfather - John FARRALL - in 1873, and the > marriage > >> certificate has a blank space for the father. Her name is listed as > Mary > >> BEBINGTON. The death certificates for two of her sons - John and > Samuel- > >> (California) listed the mother's maiden name as GREEN. No official > >> document > >> show that she legally used the name GREEN. My question concerns the > >> adoption/non-adoption procedures in Cheshire/UK in the later half of > the > >> century. Were families expected to pay extra monies to the county? > >> Mary did receive a congratulatory letter and cablegram from King > >> George > >> VI on her 100 birthday in 1850. Palace regulations state that > proof > >> must > >> be provided. The only proof provided was the christening record of > 20 > >> June > >> 1850. She had no birth certificate. What were the adoption > procedures > >> like > >> in the 1850 timeframe? Why would the GREEN family not give her the > GREEN > >> name? Puzzled. > > > > > > ==== ENG-MERSEYSIDE Mailing List ==== > > You can search or browse the archives of this list and also change > > membership - move from digest to normal mail mode, or vice versa and > sub > > and unsub at this link > > > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-MERSEYSIDE.html > > > > ============================== > > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. 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One of my ancestors started out as a carpenter when a young man. Later he progressed? to ship's carpenter, master shipbuilder and ship owner. So I think shipwright is just a specialized form of carpentry. (as wheelwright, cartwright, et.c.) Elizabeth Dods elizd77@rogers.com On 5-Aug-06, at 10:27 AM, <ian.plimmer@ntlworld.com> <ian.plimmer@ntlworld.com> wrote: > certificate arrived today: > > marr Dec 1860, St Paul's, Liverpool > > James BURNETT, full age, bach. carpenter, of Liverpool, father > James BURNETT carpenter > > to > > Mary HOWARD, minor, spin. of Liverpool, father John Davies HOWARD, > coppersmith > > 1851 BURNETTs above are shipwrights > > 1861 elder BURNETT still as a shipwright - can't finder junior > > 1871 junior BURNETT as a shipwright - not sure of elder's location > - Mary is aged 30 > > So is a minor any age under 21? > > And is a carpenter equal to a shipwright? > > (sorry if they seem silly questions, just checking!) > > Many thanks, > > Ian. > > ----------------------------------------- > Email sent from www.ntlworld.com > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software > Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information > > > ==== ENG-MERSEYSIDE Mailing List ==== > You can search or browse the archives of this list and also change > membership - move from digest to normal mail mode, or vice versa > and sub and unsub at this link > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-MERSEYSIDE.html > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

I'm quite sure we have talked about informal adoption on this list before, you might find something in the archives. I dont think fees would have been paid. It would have been done on a charitable basis with no fees changing hands at that time. I think you will find the information on this page of interest to you http://tinyurl.com/rq5s7 Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "john farrall" <jfarrall@cox.net> > Janet, > Thank you for your kind response. Here in the US, I have tried to > understand the process. Needless to say, she was semi-adopted - but not > officially - the the GREEN family. Would they be required to pay fees? > > John

Sorry about that - sent to wrong address! Marged (early in the morning - well, earlyish1) ----- Original Message ----- From: Marged To: ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEY] Searching for Information on Orphans and Adoptions c. 1850 Another ----- Original Message ----- From: john farrall To: ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 12:34 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEY] Searching for Information on Orphans and Adoptions c. 1850 Janet, Thank you for your kind response. Here in the US, I have tried to understand the process. Needless to say, she was semi-adopted - but not officially - the the GREEN family. Would they be required to pay fees? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet" <wightway@tiscali.co.uk> To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEY] Searching for Information on Orphans and Adoptions c. 1850 > Formal adoption did not take place in England and Wales until 1927/1930. > I am quite sure however that there was a system of "fostering" as we know > it today. I wonder about a foundling being christened. Who might have > arranged it of an orphan. > I realise that these thoughts of mine don't help much, but maybe others > will come forward to add to what I have said. > > > Janet > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "john farrall" <jfarrall@cox.net> > >> Listers, >> I would appreciate some guidance here. For background, my great >> grandmother was an orphan left on the church steps of St. Catherine's >> Church >> in Bebington on 20 June 1850. She was Christened on 21 June 1850 as Mary >> BEBINGTON (named after the town). She is listed in the 1851 census for >> BEBINGTON as a nurse child in the family of Thomas and Hannah GREEN. In >> the >> 1861 census, she is listed as Mary BEBINGTON in the GREEN family. In >> 1871, >> she is working for another family and is listed as Mary BEBINGTON. She >> married my great grandfather - John FARRALL - in 1873, and the marriage >> certificate has a blank space for the father. Her name is listed as Mary >> BEBINGTON. The death certificates for two of her sons - John and Samuel- >> (California) listed the mother's maiden name as GREEN. No official >> document >> show that she legally used the name GREEN. My question concerns the >> adoption/non-adoption procedures in Cheshire/UK in the later half of the >> century. Were families expected to pay extra monies to the county? >> Mary did receive a congratulatory letter and cablegram from King >> George >> VI on her 100 birthday in 1850. Palace regulations state that proof >> must >> be provided. The only proof provided was the christening record of 20 >> June >> 1850. She had no birth certificate. What were the adoption procedures >> like >> in the 1850 timeframe? Why would the GREEN family not give her the GREEN >> name? Puzzled. > > > ==== ENG-MERSEYSIDE Mailing List ==== > You can search or browse the archives of this list and also change > membership - move from digest to normal mail mode, or vice versa and sub > and unsub at this link > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-MERSEYSIDE.html > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/409 - Release Date: 8/4/2006 > > ==== ENG-MERSEYSIDE Mailing List ==== You can search or browse the archives of this list and also change membership - move from digest to normal mail mode, or vice versa and sub and unsub at this link http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-MERSEYSIDE.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/409 - Release Date: 04/08/2006 ==== ENG-MERSEYSIDE Mailing List ==== You can search or browse the archives of this list and also change membership - move from digest to normal mail mode, or vice versa and sub and unsub at this link http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-MERSEYSIDE.html ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/409 - Release Date: 04/08/2006

Another ----- Original Message ----- From: john farrall To: ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 12:34 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEY] Searching for Information on Orphans and Adoptions c. 1850 Janet, Thank you for your kind response. Here in the US, I have tried to understand the process. Needless to say, she was semi-adopted - but not officially - the the GREEN family. Would they be required to pay fees? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet" <wightway@tiscali.co.uk> To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEY] Searching for Information on Orphans and Adoptions c. 1850 > Formal adoption did not take place in England and Wales until 1927/1930. > I am quite sure however that there was a system of "fostering" as we know > it today. I wonder about a foundling being christened. Who might have > arranged it of an orphan. > I realise that these thoughts of mine don't help much, but maybe others > will come forward to add to what I have said. > > > Janet > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "john farrall" <jfarrall@cox.net> > >> Listers, >> I would appreciate some guidance here. For background, my great >> grandmother was an orphan left on the church steps of St. Catherine's >> Church >> in Bebington on 20 June 1850. She was Christened on 21 June 1850 as Mary >> BEBINGTON (named after the town). She is listed in the 1851 census for >> BEBINGTON as a nurse child in the family of Thomas and Hannah GREEN. In >> the >> 1861 census, she is listed as Mary BEBINGTON in the GREEN family. In >> 1871, >> she is working for another family and is listed as Mary BEBINGTON. She >> married my great grandfather - John FARRALL - in 1873, and the marriage >> certificate has a blank space for the father. Her name is listed as Mary >> BEBINGTON. The death certificates for two of her sons - John and Samuel- >> (California) listed the mother's maiden name as GREEN. No official >> document >> show that she legally used the name GREEN. My question concerns the >> adoption/non-adoption procedures in Cheshire/UK in the later half of the >> century. Were families expected to pay extra monies to the county? >> Mary did receive a congratulatory letter and cablegram from King >> George >> VI on her 100 birthday in 1850. Palace regulations state that proof >> must >> be provided. The only proof provided was the christening record of 20 >> June >> 1850. She had no birth certificate. What were the adoption procedures >> like >> in the 1850 timeframe? Why would the GREEN family not give her the GREEN >> name? Puzzled. > > > ==== ENG-MERSEYSIDE Mailing List ==== > You can search or browse the archives of this list and also change > membership - move from digest to normal mail mode, or vice versa and sub > and unsub at this link > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-MERSEYSIDE.html > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/409 - Release Date: 8/4/2006 > > ==== ENG-MERSEYSIDE Mailing List ==== You can search or browse the archives of this list and also change membership - move from digest to normal mail mode, or vice versa and sub and unsub at this link http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-MERSEYSIDE.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/409 - Release Date: 04/08/2006

Formal adoption did not take place in England and Wales until 1927/1930. I am quite sure however that there was a system of "fostering" as we know it today. I wonder about a foundling being christened. Who might have arranged it of an orphan. I realise that these thoughts of mine don't help much, but maybe others will come forward to add to what I have said. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "john farrall" <jfarrall@cox.net> > Listers, > I would appreciate some guidance here. For background, my great > grandmother was an orphan left on the church steps of St. Catherine's Church > in Bebington on 20 June 1850. She was Christened on 21 June 1850 as Mary > BEBINGTON (named after the town). She is listed in the 1851 census for > BEBINGTON as a nurse child in the family of Thomas and Hannah GREEN. In the > 1861 census, she is listed as Mary BEBINGTON in the GREEN family. In 1871, > she is working for another family and is listed as Mary BEBINGTON. She > married my great grandfather - John FARRALL - in 1873, and the marriage > certificate has a blank space for the father. Her name is listed as Mary > BEBINGTON. The death certificates for two of her sons - John and Samuel- > (California) listed the mother's maiden name as GREEN. No official document > show that she legally used the name GREEN. My question concerns the > adoption/non-adoption procedures in Cheshire/UK in the later half of the > century. Were families expected to pay extra monies to the county? > Mary did receive a congratulatory letter and cablegram from King George > VI on her 100 birthday in 1850. Palace regulations state that proof must > be provided. The only proof provided was the christening record of 20 June > 1850. She had no birth certificate. What were the adoption procedures like > in the 1850 timeframe? Why would the GREEN family not give her the GREEN > name? Puzzled.

Janet, Thank you for your kind response. Here in the US, I have tried to understand the process. Needless to say, she was semi-adopted - but not officially - the the GREEN family. Would they be required to pay fees? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet" <wightway@tiscali.co.uk> To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEY] Searching for Information on Orphans and Adoptions c. 1850 > Formal adoption did not take place in England and Wales until 1927/1930. > I am quite sure however that there was a system of "fostering" as we know > it today. I wonder about a foundling being christened. Who might have > arranged it of an orphan. > I realise that these thoughts of mine don't help much, but maybe others > will come forward to add to what I have said. > > > Janet > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "john farrall" <jfarrall@cox.net> > >> Listers, >> I would appreciate some guidance here. For background, my great >> grandmother was an orphan left on the church steps of St. Catherine's >> Church >> in Bebington on 20 June 1850. She was Christened on 21 June 1850 as Mary >> BEBINGTON (named after the town). She is listed in the 1851 census for >> BEBINGTON as a nurse child in the family of Thomas and Hannah GREEN. In >> the >> 1861 census, she is listed as Mary BEBINGTON in the GREEN family. In >> 1871, >> she is working for another family and is listed as Mary BEBINGTON. She >> married my great grandfather - John FARRALL - in 1873, and the marriage >> certificate has a blank space for the father. Her name is listed as Mary >> BEBINGTON. The death certificates for two of her sons - John and Samuel- >> (California) listed the mother's maiden name as GREEN. No official >> document >> show that she legally used the name GREEN. My question concerns the >> adoption/non-adoption procedures in Cheshire/UK in the later half of the >> century. Were families expected to pay extra monies to the county? >> Mary did receive a congratulatory letter and cablegram from King >> George >> VI on her 100 birthday in 1850. Palace regulations state that proof >> must >> be provided. The only proof provided was the christening record of 20 >> June >> 1850. She had no birth certificate. What were the adoption procedures >> like >> in the 1850 timeframe? Why would the GREEN family not give her the GREEN >> name? Puzzled. > > > ==== ENG-MERSEYSIDE Mailing List ==== > You can search or browse the archives of this list and also change > membership - move from digest to normal mail mode, or vice versa and sub > and unsub at this link > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-MERSEYSIDE.html > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/409 - Release Date: 8/4/2006 > >

Listers, I would appreciate some guidance here. For background, my great grandmother was an orphan left on the church steps of St. Catherine's Church in Bebington on 20 June 1850. She was Christened on 21 June 1850 as Mary BEBINGTON (named after the town). She is listed in the 1851 census for BEBINGTON as a nurse child in the family of Thomas and Hannah GREEN. In the 1861 census, she is listed as Mary BEBINGTON in the GREEN family. In 1871, she is working for another family and is listed as Mary BEBINGTON. She married my great grandfather - John FARRALL - in 1873, and the marriage certificate has a blank space for the father. Her name is listed as Mary BEBINGTON. The death certificates for two of her sons - John and Samuel- (California) listed the mother's maiden name as GREEN. No official document show that she legally used the name GREEN. My question concerns the adoption/non-adoption procedures in Cheshire/UK in the later half of the century. Were families expected to pay extra monies to the county? Mary did receive a congratulatory letter and cablegram from King George VI on her 100 birthday in 1850. Palace regulations state that proof must be provided. The only proof provided was the christening record of 20 June 1850. She had no birth certificate. What were the adoption procedures like in the 1850 timeframe? Why would the GREEN family not give her the GREEN name? Puzzled. John Farrall Burke, Virginia USA

I too would be interested Sue in Australia ----- Original Message ----- To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEY] electoral rolls > Hello, I am most interested in researching with the aid of Electoral > Rolls. Please can sks let me know what E.R. Are available and how do we > get access (I am in Australia). Very many thanks. Maureen > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ > countries) for 2¢/min or less. > > > ==== ENG-MERSEYSIDE Mailing List ==== > You can search or browse the archives of this list and also change > membership - move from digest to normal mail mode, or vice versa and sub > and unsub at this link > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-MERSEYSIDE.html > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > ==== ENG-MERSEYSIDE Mailing List ==== You can search or browse the archives of this list and also change membership - move from digest to normal mail mode, or vice versa and sub and unsub at this link http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-MERSEYSIDE.html ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/385 - Release Date: 7/11/2006

I would be interested also. Ron Fitzpatrick. ----- Original Message ----- To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEY] electoral rolls > Hello, I am most interested in researching with the aid of Electoral > Rolls. Please can sks let me know what E.R. are available and how do we > get access (I am in Australia). Very many thanks. Maureen > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ > countries) for 2¢/min or less. > > > ==== ENG-MERSEYSIDE Mailing List ==== > You can search or browse the archives of this list and also change > membership - move from digest to normal mail mode, or vice versa and sub > and unsub at this link > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-MERSEYSIDE.html > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

Hi all, From the Liverpool Records Office own website.... ELECTORAL REGISTERS AND POLL BOOKS INFORMATION LEAFLET - 7 We hold electoral or voters' registers for Liverpool only, for every year from 1832-1914, 1918-1939 and 1945 to the present. We also hold some poll books from the 1730's to 1850's. HTH, Ailsa -----Original Message----- From: ALUN883@aol.com [mailto:ALUN883@aol.com] Sent: 12 July 2006 11:12 To: ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-MERSEY] Electoral rolls As far as I know the electoral roll is the document which will include all who are eligible to vote in an election and where they are residing at the time of the election.