----- Original Message ----- From: <JessMcKenn@aol.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 3:53 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Let's get it going! > Dear List > > This is not remotely connected to Marged's message, but I am somewhat > curious about what happened to my ancestors. Several died in the late > 1800s in the > Liverpool courts and I wonder where they were buried. Would anyone know > how > the poor buried their dead? I am rather assuming they would be in > unmarked > public graves. Have found some pictures of the courts where they lived > at > _http://www.mersey-gateway.org/_ (http://www.mersey-gateway.org/) which > is > fascinating. > > I am concentrating at the moment on the following Liverpool families: the > McIntyres from 1861 onwards (originally from Belfast), the Budworths from > the > 1840s onwards (originally from Nottingham) and the Carters from the 1850s > onwards (originally Seacombe). > > I think some of the McIntyres returned to Ireland after 1901 as I can't > find > them anywhere. If anyone has any experience of tracing family in Belfast > before 1860 and after 1901 I would love to have some pointers. > > Many thanks > > Jess > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi listers - I wonder if anyone can help with some information. My late father-in-law was brought up at Watts Training School (after Dr Barardos) and around 1915 (aged about 16) he was moved to Birkenhead - and we believe went on to train at a place called Mercantile Marine. We can't seem to find out anything about this place - where it was, what they did. My father-in-law went on to work for Cammel Lairds. As he died many. many years ago we don't have anything about this period of his life. So we would be very for any information about just what Mercantile Marine was/is, or where Barnardos boys would be sent around Birkenhead/Mersyside in this period, after being at Watts Naval Training School - Jackie

One of the worst things was the setting up of rest centres in bootle to have them destroyed except for one. This led to the visit of King George 6 and the Queen Mother while my grandfather was Mayor in 1942-3. -- ±There was concern for the morale of the population. Large numbers were bombed out, including ±Richard owen Jones ±RO and his daughter Elizabeth, who left bank Road and moved to 3 kaigh Avenue, ±B±Great crosby. So the mayor no longer lived in the Borough. Audrey NZ± > From: Marged <marged36@btopenworld.com> > Reply-To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:39:01 +0100 > To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Jess' Liverpool site and WW2 > > Margaret, how I wish I had initiated this discussion BEFORE I went to St > Patrick's - the children would have loved to hear your story, especially about > going to stay in the holiday camp. > > You should certainly write that book to pass down through the family, even if > it doesn't get published. > > My own dad was in the Royal Navy throughout the war and had been with the > Cunard Line before war broke out - his picture was on the wall yesterday. > > Marged > > Thanks for that Jess. A facinating site. I was particularly interested in > the Camell Laird link. My brother was doing his marine draughtman > apprenticeship with them and he did his practical on the Ark Royal. > On the subject of WW2 I was 6 when it started. And living in the comparative > safety of Bromborough Wirral. For some reason best known to herself my Mum > decided to help the war effort by going to work at the factory in Capenhurst > and so sent us- my brother and I- to live with our grandparents in Index St. > Liverpool. I went to Arnott St. School during our time there. And was very > proud to be at the school my Mum went to with her brother and 2 sisters. I > remember well the nights spent in the nearby Air Raid shelter and the > cameraderie,singing and sharing of refreshments that went on. We were not > there on the fateful night when Index St. was laid waste by bombs. My > Grandparents came out of the shelter to find their home gone. They went to > live in Towyn North Wales on a holiday campsite. They had one of the old > railway carriages there and us kid thought it was the best place to stay!! > My cousins who lived in Bootle were evacuated to Kimnel Bay and shared the > house with a family of refugees from The Channel Islands. They were market > gardeners and grew the most fantastic carrots and tomatoes in the garden!! > There are so many memories. I could write a book!! My own Grandchildren love > to hear what it was like to live through a war. For our parents it must have > been a most anxious time. Particularly for Mums and their kids whithout Dad > who was away fighting. My Dad was in the Royal Navy as were his brothers. > All of them experienced seafarers before the out break of war. We were a > very lucky family. All of us came through safely but oh so many didn't. > Thank you Marged for initiating the discusion. Very relevant I think for our > Merseyside list. Margaret in Australia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Can someoone send me Jess's story it did not reach me? Thanks Audrey NZ -- > From: Marged <marged36@btopenworld.com> > Reply-To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:39:01 +0100 > To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Jess' Liverpool site and WW2 > > Margaret, how I wish I had initiated this discussion BEFORE I went to St > Patrick's - the children would have loved to hear your story, especially about > going to stay in the holiday camp. > > You should certainly write that book to pass down through the family, even if > it doesn't get published. > > My own dad was in the Royal Navy throughout the war and had been with the > Cunard Line before war broke out - his picture was on the wall yesterday. > > Marged > > Thanks for that Jess. A facinating site. I was particularly interested in > the Camell Laird link. My brother was doing his marine draughtman > apprenticeship with them and he did his practical on the Ark Royal. > On the subject of WW2 I was 6 when it started. And living in the comparative > safety of Bromborough Wirral. For some reason best known to herself my Mum > decided to help the war effort by going to work at the factory in Capenhurst > and so sent us- my brother and I- to live with our grandparents in Index St. > Liverpool. I went to Arnott St. School during our time there. And was very > proud to be at the school my Mum went to with her brother and 2 sisters. I > remember well the nights spent in the nearby Air Raid shelter and the > cameraderie,singing and sharing of refreshments that went on. We were not > there on the fateful night when Index St. was laid waste by bombs. My > Grandparents came out of the shelter to find their home gone. They went to > live in Towyn North Wales on a holiday campsite. They had one of the old > railway carriages there and us kid thought it was the best place to stay!! > My cousins who lived in Bootle were evacuated to Kimnel Bay and shared the > house with a family of refugees from The Channel Islands. They were market > gardeners and grew the most fantastic carrots and tomatoes in the garden!! > There are so many memories. I could write a book!! My own Grandchildren love > to hear what it was like to live through a war. For our parents it must have > been a most anxious time. Particularly for Mums and their kids whithout Dad > who was away fighting. My Dad was in the Royal Navy as were his brothers. > All of them experienced seafarers before the out break of war. We were a > very lucky family. All of us came through safely but oh so many didn't. > Thank you Marged for initiating the discusion. Very relevant I think for our > Merseyside list. Margaret in Australia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Must be you I am afraid. Audrey NZ -- > From: Marged <marged36@btopenworld.com> > Reply-To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:58:56 +0100 > To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Jess' Liverpool site and WW2 > > I did go to the site and saw YOUR message there, Margaret, with an extra > portion at the top > > I have been having trouble myself with all Rootsweb lists and I am on ENG-LIV, > Southport, Merseyside - my problem is that I am getting duplicates of all > Rootsweb mail and as I haven't seen anyone else complaining, I assume it's > only me? > > Marged > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

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It only gives the name of the householder Audrey Will root the disc out and take a peek Marj You could also try for Jones while you are at it? 1938 48 Bank Road Bootle trade unionist. Any one else at that address? --

----- Original Message ----- From: <JessMcKenn@aol.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 3:53 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Let's get it going! > Dear List > > This is not remotely connected to Marged's message, but I am somewhat > curious about what happened to my ancestors. Several died in the late > 1800s in the > Liverpool courts and I wonder where they were buried. Would anyone know > how > the poor buried their dead? I am rather assuming they would be in > unmarked > public graves. Have found some pictures of the courts where they lived > at > _http://www.mersey-gateway.org/_ (http://www.mersey-gateway.org/) which > is > fascinating. > > I am concentrating at the moment on the following Liverpool families: the > McIntyres from 1861 onwards (originally from Belfast), the Budworths from > the > 1840s onwards (originally from Nottingham) and the Carters from the 1850s > onwards (originally Seacombe). > > I think some of the McIntyres returned to Ireland after 1901 as I can't > find > them anywhere. If anyone has any experience of tracing family in Belfast > before 1860 and after 1901 I would love to have some pointers. > > Many thanks > > Jess > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marged, Both my parents worked at the "Automatic Telephone Company" in Edge Lane, both before and after the War, Mum was an air-raid nurse in Liverpool throughout the war while Dad was in the Army doing convoy duty up and down England and also in France - Dunkirk. While home on leave I remember dad wrapping my up in the blanket off my bed and throwing my over his shoulder like Father Christmas with his presents, but I was terrified of the noise the bombs where making even when we got to an air-raid shelter I must of been only two years old. I was born 08-01-1939. It was while working at the "Automatic Telephone Company"that my parents met one another. Have you got any history on the "Automatic Telephone Company"? Ron.

Hello, Have been reading with great interest all the memories of Liverpool and WW2. I was 9 when the war started - living in the Broadgreen area - near Score Lane barracks. I was not evacuated - went to Rybank School and then to Childwall Valley High. Can recall sitting under the stairs playing shop with my Mother whilst the bombs dropped. Another memory when the Ak Ak Gunsite opposite CVHS opened fire on a stray raider (before the sirens) we had to run across the playground with a cushion on our heads !!. Cushions kept under our desks for the purpose !!. Camnp beds in the School hall for lunch time naps during the Blitz, Making camouflage nets in the classrooms. And after wars end seeing all the Prefabs being carried past on lorries to rehouse the folk bombed out. Also remember the Railway Carriages along the Rhyl /Prestatyn beach front. Interesting to see so many Scousers in Aussie or NZ. Have lived in both countries. Now in Queensland (Gold Coast area). Maybe some of us near enough could have a Scouse Gettogether. Regards Maureen --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out.

Hi Irene I don't think I received any information about where they might have been living, or running their businesses? Williams being such a common name I would need a bit of a time scale - What I have is the Gores Directories for Liverpool (on disc) for the years 1911 and 1938. I will have a look and see what I can come up with Marged Hi Marged, we were corresponding a short while ago re the names below, I answered your emails but if you replied I think they might have gone astray ;-) I don't want you to think that I am ignoring you. Irene --------------------------------------------- trade directory lookup for ThomasWilliams[pawnbroker] MaryA Mortimer pssr Dog Breeder > Do you have any idea what district they lived or worked in, Irene? > > Marged > >

Hi Marged, we were corresponding a short while ago re the names below, I answered your emails but if you replied I think they might have gone astray ;-) I don't want you to think that I am ignoring you. Irene --------------------------------------------- trade directory lookup for ThomasWilliams[pawnbroker] MaryA Mortimer pssr Dog Breeder > Do you have any idea what district they lived or worked in, Irene? > > Marged > > > > Hi Would it be possible to look up Thomas Williams or his wife Mary A > Mortimer, she used to breed dogs and show them at Crufts, so I thought > she > might just use her maiden name, worth a try I suppose/ Thank you > Irene > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks for that Jess. A facinating site. I was particularly interested in the Camell Laird link. My brother was doing his marine draughtman apprenticeship with them and he did his practical on the Ark Royal. On the subject of WW2 I was 6 when it started. And living in the comparative safety of Bromborough Wirral. For some reason best known to herself my Mum decided to help the war effort by going to work at the factory in Capenhurst and so sent us- my brother and I- to live with our grandparents in Index St. Liverpool. I went to Arnott St. School during our time there. And was very proud to be at the school my Mum went to with her brother and 2 sisters. I remember well the nights spent in the nearby Air Raid shelter and the cameraderie,singing and sharing of refreshments that went on. We were not there on the fateful night when Index St. was laid waste by bombs. My Grandparents came out of the shelter to find their home gone. They went to live in Towyn North Wales on a holiday campsite. They had one of the old railway carriages there and us kid thought it was the best place to stay!! My cousins who lived in Bootle were evacuated to Kimnel Bay and shared the house with a family of refugees from The Channel Islands. They were market gardeners and grew the most fantastic carrots and tomatoes in the garden!! There are so many memories. I could write a book!! My own Grandchildren love to hear what it was like to live through a war. For our parents it must have been a most anxious time. Particularly for Mums and their kids whithout Dad who was away fighting. My Dad was in the Royal Navy as were his brothers. All of them experienced seafarers before the out break of war. We were a very lucky family. All of us came through safely but oh so many didn't. Thank you Marged for initiating the discusion. Very relevant I think for our Merseyside list. Margaret in Australia

Hi Ron I don't have any history of the Auto, as we knew it, except that it was originally known as the "Strowger Works" and this was the name up over the main Edge Lane Gate - a complete mystery to me as a child, but someone explained it a bit later. Most of my family worked there in all sorts of jobs, and I worked there myself from 1954 to 1957 as a shorthand typist. Perhaps our dads met at Dunkirk - mine in the Navy, bringing troops ashore, yours in the Army, "fighting them on the beaches"! Marged Both my parents worked at the "Automatic Telephone Company" in Edge Lane, both before and after the War, Mum was an air-raid nurse in Liverpool throughout the war while Dad was in the Army doing convoy duty up and down England and also in France - Dunkirk. While home on leave I remember dad wrapping my up in the blanket off my bed and throwing my over his shoulder like Father Christmas with his presents, but I was terrified of the noise the bombs where making even when we got to an air-raid shelter I must of been only two years old. I was born 08-01-1939. It was while working at the "Automatic Telephone Company"that my parents met one another. Have you got any history on the "Automatic Telephone Company"?

Audrey, the children of St Patrick's School have a picture of your father, as Mayor of Bootle, accompanying King George VIth on parade, Audrey - I printed it from my computer and took it there last year, and the teacher brought it out again this year, along with the one of my dad. Marj One of the worst things was the setting up of rest centres in bootle to have them destroyed except for one. This led to the visit of King George 6 and the Queen Mother while my grandfather was Mayor in 1942-3. -- ±There was concern for the morale of the population. Large numbers were bombed out, including ±Richard Owen Jones ±RO and his daughter Elizabeth, who left bank Road and moved to 3 kaigh Avenue, ±B±Great crosby. So the mayor no longer lived in the Borough. Audrey NZ± > From: Marged <marged36@btopenworld.com> > Reply-To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:39:01 +0100 > To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Jess' Liverpool site and WW2 > > Margaret, how I wish I had initiated this discussion BEFORE I went to St > Patrick's - the children would have loved to hear your story, especially about > going to stay in the holiday camp. > > You should certainly write that book to pass down through the family, even if > it doesn't get published. > > My own dad was in the Royal Navy throughout the war and had been with the > Cunard Line before war broke out - his picture was on the wall yesterday. > > Marged > > Thanks for that Jess. A facinating site. I was particularly interested in > the Camell Laird link. My brother was doing his marine draughtman > apprenticeship with them and he did his practical on the Ark Royal. > On the subject of WW2 I was 6 when it started. And living in the comparative > safety of Bromborough Wirral. For some reason best known to herself my Mum > decided to help the war effort by going to work at the factory in Capenhurst > and so sent us- my brother and I- to live with our grandparents in Index St. > Liverpool. I went to Arnott St. School during our time there. And was very > proud to be at the school my Mum went to with her brother and 2 sisters. I > remember well the nights spent in the nearby Air Raid shelter and the > cameraderie,singing and sharing of refreshments that went on. We were not > there on the fateful night when Index St. was laid waste by bombs. My > Grandparents came out of the shelter to find their home gone. They went to > live in Towyn North Wales on a holiday campsite. They had one of the old > railway carriages there and us kid thought it was the best place to stay!! > My cousins who lived in Bootle were evacuated to Kimnel Bay and shared the > house with a family of refugees from The Channel Islands. They were market > gardeners and grew the most fantastic carrots and tomatoes in the garden!! > There are so many memories. I could write a book!! My own Grandchildren love > to hear what it was like to live through a war. For our parents it must have > been a most anxious time. Particularly for Mums and their kids whithout Dad > who was away fighting. My Dad was in the Royal Navy as were his brothers. > All of them experienced seafarers before the out break of war. We were a > very lucky family. All of us came through safely but oh so many didn't. > Thank you Marged for initiating the discusion. Very relevant I think for our > Merseyside list. Margaret in Australia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.427 / Virus Database: 268.13.8/489 - Release Date: 20/10/2006 07:00

Gday Marged, It always amazes me why some people were evacuated from one hot spot to another. I lived in Litherland and right across the road from our house was the Diamond Match works,behind the house was the railways,both were bombed and we had evacuees put into our home from London, there must have been far more safer places to be sent. Bert in Oz Marged wrote: >It's funny you should mention the country, Audrey, because one of the children did ask would people out in the country still be able to keep bees and get honey - "Oh yes", I said "And they would keep chickens and have more than our ration of one egg per week - and the would keep pigs and be able to have more bacon and pork" > >Marged > > > The culture shock of a different language and rural farming area would have > been extreme. i know one of mother's friends son suffered all his life as a > result. We were 5 when war broke out. His faather had lost a leg in the > First World war. > Audrey > -- > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Thank you Ron -don't know what happened to that! Marged > > This is not remotely connected to Marged's message, but I am somewhat > curious about what happened to my ancestors. Several died in the late > 1800s in the >

I did go to the site and saw YOUR message there, Margaret, with an extra portion at the top I have been having trouble myself with all Rootsweb lists and I am on ENG-LIV, Southport, Merseyside - my problem is that I am getting duplicates of all Rootsweb mail and as I haven't seen anyone else complaining, I assume it's only me? Marged

Somehow, I seem to have missed Jess's link, must go to the site and see it Marged Thanks for that Jess. A facinating site.

Margaret, how I wish I had initiated this discussion BEFORE I went to St Patrick's - the children would have loved to hear your story, especially about going to stay in the holiday camp. You should certainly write that book to pass down through the family, even if it doesn't get published. My own dad was in the Royal Navy throughout the war and had been with the Cunard Line before war broke out - his picture was on the wall yesterday. Marged Thanks for that Jess. A facinating site. I was particularly interested in the Camell Laird link. My brother was doing his marine draughtman apprenticeship with them and he did his practical on the Ark Royal. On the subject of WW2 I was 6 when it started. And living in the comparative safety of Bromborough Wirral. For some reason best known to herself my Mum decided to help the war effort by going to work at the factory in Capenhurst and so sent us- my brother and I- to live with our grandparents in Index St. Liverpool. I went to Arnott St. School during our time there. And was very proud to be at the school my Mum went to with her brother and 2 sisters. I remember well the nights spent in the nearby Air Raid shelter and the cameraderie,singing and sharing of refreshments that went on. We were not there on the fateful night when Index St. was laid waste by bombs. My Grandparents came out of the shelter to find their home gone. They went to live in Towyn North Wales on a holiday campsite. They had one of the old railway carriages there and us kid thought it was the best place to stay!! My cousins who lived in Bootle were evacuated to Kimnel Bay and shared the house with a family of refugees from The Channel Islands. They were market gardeners and grew the most fantastic carrots and tomatoes in the garden!! There are so many memories. I could write a book!! My own Grandchildren love to hear what it was like to live through a war. For our parents it must have been a most anxious time. Particularly for Mums and their kids whithout Dad who was away fighting. My Dad was in the Royal Navy as were his brothers. All of them experienced seafarers before the out break of war. We were a very lucky family. All of us came through safely but oh so many didn't. Thank you Marged for initiating the discusion. Very relevant I think for our Merseyside list. Margaret in Australia