Slightly off message but amusing - the 14th century poem 'Sir Gawain and the Green Knight ' says 'he went through the North Wales and the wilderness of Wirral '- so what's changed ? -----Original Message----- From: eng-merseyside-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-merseyside-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of margaret davies Sent: 18 November 2006 08:31 To: ENG-MERSEYSIDE@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] RE RE THE Wirral My husband,from Eastham, has just reminded me The Wirral could also be short for The Hundred of Wirral. Thanks for you reply Jackie. Don't worry about Gordon!! If he's younger than 77 he hasn't got a leg to stand on!! Margaret To go to the site, click on http://lists9.rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.7/537 - Release Date: 17/11/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.7/537 - Release Date: 17/11/2006

My names: - Room - any and all references on both sides of the Mersey - Williams - lived in Seacombe until 1903 - TF Williams & Sons Coal Merchants - lived at 113 Wheatland Lane and attended St. Paul's school. Any photos of either greatly appreciated. Eunice Robinson Delta, BC, Canada

Hi Marged, Unfortunately HOLDEN in Lancashire is as difficult as JONES in Wales! My HOLDENs are a large family whose parents were Alfred HOLDEN who married Annie WAINE. The WAINE family were from Prescot. Amongst the children from this marriage were: Annie, Ada, Bessie, Bill, Alfie, Elsie-owned a hairdressers shop called Countess Ned, Harold, Joe. The family lived in Pighue Lane Wavertree for many years and Alfred ran a coal business from there. Dot Dover Kent UK -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.7/537 - Release Date: 17/11/2006 17:56

My Liverpool names: MCMONAGLE TROUGHTON BATEMAN And of course the usual JONES and HUGHES, a little further info. to distinguish mine from everybody else's: John HUGHES married Elizabeth JONES in Welshpool, Mont. Wales 1870. They moved to Liverpool between 1881 and 1890. Elizabeth died 1899, John re-married Grace SEARLE, and they had one known son Albert, b. after the 1901 census. Gordon, if you should find that any of your HUTCHINSONs were in St. Bee's, Cumberland Parish between 1539 and 1837 I may be able to help as I have extracted all of the HUTCHINSONs from that parish into a spread sheet and would be happy to either do a look up or send a copy. Pat Texas

Welcome to our new listers. May your research be successful !!. Perhaps my surnames may be yours also. AUSTIN Manchester Salford and Merseyside Liverpool and Birkenhead. HUNT Manchester and Runcorn MASSEY Meseside Birkenhead and Runcorn Cheshire BANNER Runcorn cheshire FLETCHER Merseyside Birkenhead and Cheshire Runcorn O'BRIEN Merseyside Bootle and Birkenhead and Ireland Grenore County Louth and California U S A GRIMES Merseyside Bootle Birkenhead and Ireland Grenore County Louth. IBBS Merseyside,West Derby, Liverpool,Newcastle and Staffordshire COE Merseyside Liverpool, Manchester, Norwich Norfolk and Suffolk CAVENDISH Merseyside North Meols and liverpool MANNING Merseyside Bootle Liverpool, Bristol Gloucestershire JACKSON Merseyside, Liverpool and Lydiate SCHOLES Liverpool, Neston and Spital Cheshire HULL Spital Cheshire and Liverpool and Herefordshire DAVIES Merseyside Eastham, Little Sutton and Childer Thornton. Erbisotck Denbighshire N.Wales TWYMAN Little Sutton, Chester, Thanet in Kent. Bangalore India. Happy hunting to everyone! Margaret in Australia- born and brought up in Bromborough Wirral Cheshire and living in Little Neston Wirral Cheshire after my marriage in 1952, before coming out to Australia with my Husband- an Eastham lad- and 5 of our 7 Children in 1965. That's me in a very small nutshell!!

My sister Jen was married to a Holden - James Keith from Mossley Hill Liverpool. His parents were James Holden and Una Johnson, also from Mossley Hill and probably Garston. Just for interest, I went to school with two sisters called Ostle, one of them was named Mimi, which we thought was very exotic. Marged MENZIES HELSBY HARRISON John illegitimate son of Mary HARRISON BARTON BIBBY and from my husband's side HOLDEN ADDISON JONES (but fortunately for me not from Wales!) OSTLE MILES WAINE

My names are: MENZIES HELSBY HARRISON John illegitimate son of Mary HARRISON BARTON BIBBY and from my husband's side HOLDEN ADDISON JONES (but fortunately for me not from Wales!) OSTLE MILES WAINE Dot Dorothy Holden Dover Kent UK -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.7/537 - Release Date: 17/11/2006 17:56

Hi Carolyn I'm not too sure whether this is the same family as yours, but seems a little too coincidental not to be. I have Joseph Perkes (Perks) born c1866 in Overbury, Worcester who married Elizabeth Teale. Their son Ernest was born in Northern England, in Pemberton and married Jane Haselden, a sister to my mother's brother in law. Their family emigrated to London, Ontario and although I have made contact with some of this family, the communication has dried up, possibly owing to the fact that Nancy Perks had no computer and things had to be done by snail mail. It is disappointing to lose contact and some of this is down to me as much as Nancy. I am in constant contact with the HASELDEN family and would like to exchange information with the PERKS family and associated families. I do hope this is part of your family, but if not it may ring some bells with someone out there. Regards, Eric in Wigan, Lancs. -----Original Message----- From: eng-merseyside-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-merseyside-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Perkes Sent: 18 November 2006 00:35 To: ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] My names Marged, Thanks for hosting this list! * My interests are: PERKES ( Dudley Worcestershire, aka Perks back to pre-1800) COLEY (Emma, from Shropshire) By 1861 my PERKES were in Liverpool. My g-g grandfather's sister Emma PERKES (b. ca 1861) married a "Dave" PORTHOUSE in about 1881. The PORTHOUSES seemed to have been from Liverpool. To say, by 1907 this line of Perkes had emigrated to Hamilton Ontario Canada. With a nephew Tom PORTHOUSE. In case this helps anyone. ***************************************** Carolyn Perkes (Montréal, Québec, Canada) To go to the site, click on http://lists9.rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.7/537 - Release Date: 17/11/2006

Peter, How far back, and where to,do you go back on your Cheshire Jones' family ? Ray.Jones, London,Ontario ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Jones" <p-rjones@sympatico.ca> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 8:07 AM Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Roll Call > My names are: > > JONES Cheshire > KENYON Cheshire > MCGUNIIGALL Cheshire > NEILL Cheshire and Scotland > DONONOE Cheshire and Ireland > ROBINSON Cheshire > ENGLAND Cheshire > MCCOLLOUGH Cheshire and Ireland > > Thanks > > Peter in Burlington, Ontario > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Congratulations and thank you to all who have written in so far in response to my suggestion. Please keep our list alive and interesting - don't wait for me to make the suggestions, if you have any ideas that are based on Merseyside Family History, come right in and get a topic going. Marged

Hi Mary I have a friend, Ruth, who was born Barton in Liverpool, in the Edge Hill district. She has done marvellous work on her family history, and all without the aid of a computer! She has found links in Ormskirk district - it is a Catholic family, I think. Any link here? Marged The names I am researching in the Liverpool area are mostly around 1860 - 1920 period, some earlier. Barton ( true Liverpudlians ) Hugo ( x Cornwall) Macaulay ( x Orkney) Johnson ( x Flookburgh near Cartmel originally) Blackman (probably from Middlesex area ) Murray ( x Ireland) Keiser/ kayser/ keyser/Kaiser (x Prussia) Kinsey (x Cheshire) Turner ( true Liverpudlians in the Butchery trade) and ha ha ..... Jones from Wales - where else...... there are so many Jones' called William or Martha it would be a miracle to get anywhere with them ! hope I can link with someone !!!! Mary, in New Zealand

Hi Pat - I'm meeting so many old friends - lovely to find you are on here! Let's hope those brick walls come tumbling down Marged A wonderful way to start off our winter Marged. A grand idea to get things rolling again. Thank you. My research is with these families, FULTON Hoose ( Hoylake ) and Birkenhead , Sarah SHERLOCK Woodchurch, Cheshire HARDMAN Hoose ( Hoylake ) Cheshire. Warrington, Lancashire LEE Great Meoles and Hoose, Cheshire. GASKIN Great Meoles, Cheshire. FOGG Poulton cum Seacombe and Birkenhead, Cheshire. BROWN Birkenhead, Cheshire. CUMMINGS Birkenhead, Cheshire. ASHTON Liverpool and Bury, Lancashire. Poulton cum Seacombe, Cheshire. My one and only HUGHES Elizabeth born abt 1811 Liverpool. my 3x Great Grandmother. Always in search of new family with connections. And welcome to our newbies. Pat.

Thanks for reminding me, Dorothy - Happy Thanksgiving to all! Marged I am Dorothy in Florida, I go back about 6/7 years on these Lists. I was born in Bootle --and so were our children. Our grandkids are American though and want us to live near them so they can take us to school for "Show and tell"!! In fact , it was Marged who first found what turned out to be one of my relatives, but I just didn't have the connection at that time. Turned out that my Grandma's Widowed Aunt married my Grandmas husbands (My grandfather) Widowed brother. --Got it????? Anyway, I am looking for ROACH ---Devon- Liverpool. Although I just found out that my great great grandfather Alexander Roach was from Fifeshire. (From Muster Rolls of ships he was on when he married in 1801) BOLTON, --- Liverpool, Melling McKEOWN--and assorted spellings --Liverpool and Scotland or Ireland --depending which census you believe. DUKE---London then Liverpool from 1829 I also have MIREHOUSE, RAWES, GOODWIN Happy Thanksgiving to all Dorothy

Yes, the Locarno was MY special place - especially on a Saturday afternoon with the Johnny Hilton Quartet! Marged ----- Original Message ----- From: rory To: ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 12:06 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Roll Call Hi Marged. The Locarno was my haunt next door. Happy Days. Herewith my research interests. MCSHANE any Birkenhead,Liverpool,Ireland. ROE Wallasey,Yorkshire & Durham. Knowlson Birkenhead,Yorkshire & Durham COWGILL Birkenhead,Bromborough & Lancs. ACKERS Bebington,Liverpool,& Lancs. CROMPTON Birkenhead MCGRATH Birkenhead,Manchester & Cty Down,Ireland Hughes Hoylake,West Kirby & Guilden Sutton Chester. Minshull Irby area.& shropshire ? Palin Wallasey ROBINSON Birkenhead & Lancs. ANDERSON Birkenhead

My names are: JONES Cheshire KENYON Cheshire MCGUNIIGALL Cheshire NEILL Cheshire and Scotland DONONOE Cheshire and Ireland ROBINSON Cheshire ENGLAND Cheshire MCCOLLOUGH Cheshire and Ireland Thanks Peter in Burlington, Ontario

After 20 years I have a lot of research to share around these regions of Liverpool, Merseyside, Bootle (whatever comes under the umbrella of Merseyside these days). We visited all those wonderful places in 1995, so understand the sites... ROBERT BOSTOCK R.N. m.1770 to ELIZABETH WILKINSON of Tarvin CHS, but they were merchants, ship owners, slave traders !!! tut tut, on the Mersey...Looking for ROBERTS, POLLOCK, ROBE. Hope Street Liverpool, St.Mary's Walton on the Hill, St.Nicholas, and Marine Parade, Waterloo. All noted in website. Thanks for this opportunity... Thelma (Bostock) Birrell, Australia Bostock: http://birrell.1hwy.com/index.htm

My Hubby says his special place was the Apollo in Morton - don't ask me I was enjoying the Pier and Floral in Morecambe! - Jackie

Hi Margaret - thank you for your great reply! We went out to dinner and talked about the possibilities of sayign just Wirral instead of The Wirral. I drove me mad! We couldn't hardly find an instance when I could just say Wirral without 'The'. And as you quite rightly say - 'The' gives it a sense of importance - if it needed more! It's not my home I have to say - my bungalow is but the area isn't - my 'Home' is about 90 miles north of here. But having said that - it is a great place and I love it. I travel 'home' whenever I can, but if the truth were known I probably wouldn't move from here. My only gripe is that I wish they would define Little Sutton as being somewhere, we are yards away from the Wirral sign and feel as though we have been shut outside. Geographically the Wirral Peninsula is much larger than the Wirral and I wish some council would recognise that and put up signs saying 'you are entering the Wirral Peninsula'. I also find very confusing traveling to places on the Wirral and finding signs that say 'you are now leaving the Wirral' - then a sign saying 'Merseyside', a few more hundred yards and you are back 'Welcome to the Wirral'. As a newcomer it seems to me that 'the Wirral' doesn't even know where it is! Oh Dear - I feel a ragging from Gordon coming on! - Jackie

Harold T GRAHAM and Margaret WRIGHT m 1924 Arthur GRAHAM b 1929-1952 Harry ELLIOTT and Jennie WRIGHT m 1912 in Newcastle upon Tyne Dorothy Elliott b ?1913 Jack Elliott b ?1915 Fred Elliott b ?1915 Any connections to these two families? I will share background on WRIGHTs from Newcastle and Prestonpans Elizabeth Dods elizd77@rogers.com

Hi Marged. The Locarno was my haunt next door. Happy Days. Herewith my research interests. MCSHANE any Birkenhead,Liverpool,Ireland. ROE Wallasey,Yorkshire & Durham. Knowlson Birkenhead,Yorkshire & Durham COWGILL Birkenhead,Bromborough & Lancs. ACKERS Bebington,Liverpool,& Lancs. CROMPTON Birkenhead MCGRATH Birkenhead,Manchester & Cty Down,Ireland Hughes Hoylake,West Kirby & Guilden Sutton Chester. Minshull Irby area.& shropshire ? Palin Wallasey ROBINSON Birkenhead & Lancs. ANDERSON Birkenhead Thanks Rory