Hi again Marged Further to last my last post, Sarah's age in the 1851 Census (40) puts her birth year at 1810. The IGI has this baptism :- Liverpool St Peter 8 July 1810 (born 29 June 1810) Sarah daughter of John CUTT and Ann RILEY And this marriage :- Liverpool St Nicholas 17 February 1805 John CUTT and Ann RILEY Sarah's true age in the1841 Census (which rounded adult's ages down to the nearest 5) would have been 31, making her the likely mother of the 12 year-old Joseph CUTT in the same household? Regards Gordon

More thanks, Gordon. I just don't know what to say really, except that I am sure these are all mine and to express heartfelt gratitude! Will be sending you a scan of the birth certificate Marged Further to last my last post, Sarah's age in the 1851 Census (40) puts her birth year at 1810. The IGI has this baptism :- Liverpool St Peter 8 July 1810 (born 29 June 1810) Sarah daughter of John CUTT and Ann RILEY And this marriage :- Liverpool St Nicholas 17 February 1805 John CUTT and Ann RILEY Sarah's true age in the1841 Census (which rounded adult's ages down to the nearest 5) would have been 31, making her the likely mother of the 12 year-old Joseph CUTT in the same household? Regards Gordon

Wow, Gordon - that's AMAZING, and I am very grateful. In fact, it does look like Cut, rather than Cuts as I said, but I thought I could probably imagine the S there if I wanted to (the copy is very bad and blurred) and I have never heard of the name Cut before. The Burke brother in law is perhaps William's own brother in law or .... .... or I wonder where William was in the 1841 census. Sarah is very young to be the mother of a 9 year old, isn't she? Mind you she does jump in age from 25 in 1841 to 40 in the 1851 Census. But William Peacock is a millwright on this birth certificate, dated 1847 too. Thank you so much for this look up - I will look for another marriage now Marged The 1841 Census has this household :- HO 107/556/22 folio 7 page 7 Trueman Street, Liverpool Sarah PEACOCK, 25, Ind, Y (born in county) John, 9, Y Jane, 5, Y Sarah, 2, Y Joseph CUTT, 12, Y This looks to be the same family 10 years later :- 1851 Census HO 107/2178 folio 57 page 5 11 Gildart Gardens, Liverpool William PEACOCK, 41, millwright & engineer, LAN Liverpool Sarah, wife, 40, LAN Liverpool John, son, 18, apprentice, LAN Liverpool Jane, daur, 15, LAN Liverpool Sarah A, daur, 12, LAN Liverpool William, son, 9, LAN Liverpool Elizabeth, daur, 4, LAN Liverpool Joseph BURKE, brother-in-law, U, 23, blacksmith, LAN Liverpool So it's CUTT or BURKE? Regards Gordon From: "Marged" <marged36@btopenworld.com> To: "MERSEYSIDE" <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 7:48 PM Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] PEACOCK >I have today received the birth certificate of my great grandmother, >Elizabeth Peacock, born 1847. Of course, the most interesting name piece >of >information on the certificate is her mother's maiden name and >unfortunately >this is practically unreadable. >On Monday morning I will get on to Smedley Hydro (about 2 miles from >my >house, for all the good that does me) and no doubt they will send me a >clearer copy. >The name has 4 or could be 5 letters, and looks like: >Cutts >Critt >Oritt >Marged ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.14.7/538 - Release Date: 18/11/2006 16:48

Hi Marged The 1841 Census has this household :- HO 107/556/22 folio 7 page 7 Trueman Street, Liverpool Sarah PEACOCK, 25, Ind, Y (born in county) John, 9, Y Jane, 5, Y Sarah, 2, Y Joseph CUTT, 12, Y This looks to be the same family 10 years later :- 1851 Census HO 107/2178 folio 57 page 5 11 Gildart Gardens, Liverpool William PEACOCK, 41, millwright & engineer, LAN Liverpool Sarah, wife, 40, LAN Liverpool John, son, 18, apprentice, LAN Liverpool Jane, daur, 15, LAN Liverpool Sarah A, daur, 12, LAN Liverpool William, son, 9, LAN Liverpool Elizabeth, daur, 4, LAN Liverpool Joseph BURKE, brother-in-law, U, 23, blacksmith, LAN Liverpool So it's CUTT or BURKE? Regards Gordon From: "Marged" <marged36@btopenworld.com> To: "MERSEYSIDE" <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 7:48 PM Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] PEACOCK >I have today received the birth certificate of my great grandmother, >Elizabeth Peacock, born 1847. Of course, the most interesting name piece >of >information on the certificate is her mother's maiden name and >unfortunately >this is practically unreadable. >On Monday morning I will get on to Smedley Hydro (about 2 miles from >my >house, for all the good that does me) and no doubt they will send me a >clearer copy. >The name has 4 or could be 5 letters, and looks like: >Cutts >Critt >Oritt >Marged

If I may comment here. I see where all are coming from but, I think we have to step back a little and realise that so often we hear a call for more input with little result. Simply. We do not know with what response when a Roll Call is called for. On this occasion it served its purpose. I hope that any request for edited content doesnt suppress whatever willingness there is to keep this list turning over. My comments are not meant against any one who has written, more for the purpose of the list itself. Janet ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Unlimited Broadband with FREE weekend calls only 12.99! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/

Please ask for more info if you are researching same. Christine Peterborough UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Dods" <elizd77@rogers.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 6:57 PM Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Roll Call "Protocol" > Suggestions made on another list for "Roll Call Protocol": > > * Keep the message short. Detail can be sent later to interested > parties. > * Break your names down on separate messages (4 at a time) Rootsweb > won't reject. > * Print surnames in CAPITALS so they stand out in the message. > > I agree with Cynthia. Generic titles are so annoying and often deleted. > > Elizabeth Dods > elizd77@rogers.com > > > > On 18-Nov-06, at 1:39 PM, Marged wrote: > >> I wonder about this Cynthia because there is someone who regularly >> sends mail to this list with names in the subject line, and >> Rootsweb bounce it because there are too many names in the subject >> line. >> >> Also, if I hadn't sent out a request for people to send in their >> names, we wouldn't have had any mail for you to open! >> >> I am not being awkward here, but I am just delighted with the >> response we have had. >> >> Marged >> >> I have 37 more emails to open with subject line simply "My >> Names." It would >> be a courtesy if folks put their surnames in subject line. That >> would make >> it easier on all of us. Many thanks for your consideration. >> Cynthia in >> California, USA >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG- >> MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have today received the birth certificate of my great grandmother, Elizabeth Peacock, born 1847. Of course, the most interesting name piece of information on the certificate is her mother's maiden name and unfortunately this is practically unreadable. On Monday morning I will get on to Smedley Hydro (about 2 miles from my house, for all the good that does me) and no doubt they will send me a clearer copy. The name has 4 or could be 5 letters, and looks like: Cutts Critt Oritt Marged

My husband,from Eastham, has just reminded me The Wirral could also be short for The Hundred of Wirral. Thanks for you reply Jackie. Don't worry about Gordon!! If he's younger than 77 he hasn't got a leg to stand on!! Margaret

Hi everyone: The names I am researching in the Liverpool area are mostly around 1860 - 1920 period, some earlier. Barton ( true Liverpudlians ) Hugo ( x Cornwall) Macaulay ( x Orkney) Johnson ( x Flookburgh near Cartmel originally) Blackman (probably from Middlesex area ) Murray ( x Ireland) Keiser/ kayser/ keyser/Kaiser (x Prussia) Kinsey (x Cheshire) Turner ( true Liverpudlians in the Butchery trade) and ha ha ..... Jones from Wales - where else...... there are so many Jones' called William or Martha it would be a miracle to get anywhere with them ! hope I can link with someone !!!! Mary, in New Zealand

My Dear Gordon!!!!The Wirral short for The Wirral Peninsula. I was born and brought up on THE Wirral and deliberately use the THE word to denote for me THE most important place in my world!! Jackie I'm sure meant The names 'in Wirral' not 'the Wirral' names. Subtle difference I believe!! Be like me Jackie and call it The Wirral if that is what you want!! Re Merseyside. How I hated it when The Wirral was no longer a place in Cheshire in it's own right but was replaced by Merseyside!! I still address letters to my sister in Wirral, Cheshire, England. Always have and always will! Just my little protest! However she is glad of the transport arrangements like so many others. Margaret in Australia

I wonder about this Cynthia because there is someone who regularly sends mail to this list with names in the subject line, and Rootsweb bounce it because there are too many names in the subject line. Also, if I hadn't sent out a request for people to send in their names, we wouldn't have had any mail for you to open! I am not being awkward here, but I am just delighted with the response we have had. Marged I have 37 more emails to open with subject line simply "My Names." It would be a courtesy if folks put their surnames in subject line. That would make it easier on all of us. Many thanks for your consideration. Cynthia in California, USA

Gordon: I posted earlier about my purpose in searching for KIRKPATRICK. I didnt ever explain fully that I dont have a relationship with them. I am trying to link the KIRKPATRICKs with the SHERRATT line into which they married with my Gt Gt Grandmother's line of SHERRET that you and I know has so many variables. Both lines originate from the same district in Scotland and it may be somewhat remarkable that my grandmother wrote up the SHERRET/SHERRATT & KIRKPATRICK tree with some accuracy. So you will see now why I have not stopped pursuing it. As to your doubts about a DAVIES connection, as I said, it is with my Step father and not my natural father. It seems that your folk were at some time in N. Wales, whereas from what I understand DAVIES is a name of south Welsh origin. Of course, we know that people travelled and I could accept they went to N. Wales before arriving in Liddypool. Janet >-- Original Message -- >From: "Gordon Evans" > > >Janet > >Although you and I come pretty close to a connection through our >KIRKPATRICK's of Liverpool & Caldy, and via them the SHERRATT's of >Glenbervie & Ocle Pychard (Herefordshire) I'd be most surprised if the name >DAVIES were to bear similar fruit :- > >One of my great-grandmothers was a Sidney DAVIES born 1833 in Amlwch >(Anglesey). >She married a Thomas HUGHES (b1826 Mold) and gave birth to three children >(one my grandmother) in Holyhead between 1866 and 1873. >The family were proprietors of the Anglesey Arms in Vulcan Street, Holyhead. >Sidney died in Walton, Liverpool, in 1908 at the age of 74. > >Gordon ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Unlimited Broadband with FREE weekend calls only 12.99! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/

I would appreciate help in locating the marriage, circa 1822, of Thomas Cox and Mary ?? The marriage could have taken place in Liverpool or the Wirral. Ray.Jones,Ontario

Hello all, Here is my list of surnames that I am researching in the Liverpoo area. Quinn (Everton North) Disley (Kirkdale) (Birkenhead)(Wallasey) Chapman (Cty Wexford Ireland) GrierEverton)/Greer (Everton) Bell (Everton) Lloyd(Everton) Miller (Everton) Coy (Everton) Gilbertson (Fazakerley) Griffiths (Family from Wales, lived in Liverpool,Everton, and Wallasey) If any one is interested in my family I can provide dates and additional information. Marge in Bridgeport, CT USA

Hi-my names from the Wirral are Bibby and Jackson. Alexander Bibby married Sarah Jackson 1753 at Great Neston.Thereafter, they removed to Flint . Actually , he could have been from Flint-In those days there was a regular ferry service across the Dee, but, she was from the Wirral.I can't get back any further on these two-anyone have any connections? Joy Original Message ----- From: <eng-merseyside-request@rootsweb.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 3:48 PM Subject: ENG-MERSEYSIDE Digest, Vol 1, Issue 50 > > > To unsubscribe from ENG-MERSEYSIDE-D, send a message to > > ENG-MERSEYSIDE-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > To contact the ENG-MERSEYSIDE-D list administrator, send mail to > ENG-MERSEYSIDE-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Names (Yvonne Purdy) > 2. Re: RE RE THE Wirral (wightway@tiscali.co.uk) > 3. Re: Roll Call (Ray Jones) > 4. FW: Roll Call (wightway@tiscali.co.uk) > 5. Re: Result. Free (wightway@tiscali.co.uk) > 6. Re: The Wirral (Raymond Fowler) > 7. Re: MY NAMES (Cath & Brian) > 8. My Names: MCMONAGLE, TROUGHTON, BATEMAN, HUGHES.......... > (Pat Wagley) > 9. Re: GRAHAM Arthur (Cath & Brian) > 10. Re: MY NAMES (wightway@tiscali.co.uk) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 13:32:51 -0000 > From: "Yvonne Purdy" <von@yvonnepurdy.free-online.co.uk> > Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Names > To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <CCEJILOPMDICBMMNNJGPOEMKGCAA.von@yvonnepurdy.free-online.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi all, > > I'd like to add some names too. Gordon and I are blood related, so I'm > also > interested in > >> FELL(S) (Liverpool 1500's, Bidston/Arrowe 1500/1600's) >> BENNETT (Neston 1500's, Woodchurch 1500/1600's) >> SHERLOCK (Oxton 1500/1700's, Raby/Upton-in-Overchurch 1700's) > > I hope you don't mind me 'pinching' a bit of your message, Gordon:-)) > > Also researching: > SILCOCK from Greasby > SWIFT (my elusive William SWIFT, born ca 1829 Liverpool, son of Joseph > SWIFT, Butcher; can't find him in either 1841 or 1851 census) > HUGHES and JONES, (inevitably), from West Kirby (another link with Gordon) > CARROLL (Dundalk, Ireland) > WILSON (I think my earliest, so far, is John Wilson of Woodchurch, who > married Ann MASON of Greasby in 1741, Woodchurch). > WALL (Jane who married William Wilson in 1769, Bidston) > > Best regards, > Yvonne Purdy (nee Sherlock) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 13:51:53 +0000 > From: wightway@tiscali.co.uk > Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] RE RE THE Wirral > To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <45413F4700038183@mail-4-uk.mail.tiscali.sys> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" > > Is it possible that reference to Wirral as "The Wirral" is an abbreviation > for The Wirral Peninsula. > > Janet > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Tiscali Unlimited Broadband with FREE weekend calls only 12.99! > http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 08:56:22 -0500 > From: "Ray Jones" <nantwich@istar.ca> > Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Roll Call > To: "Peter Jones" <p-rjones@sympatico.ca>, > <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <001a01c70b19$553086c0$50f6fea9@nantwich> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Peter, > How far back, and where to,do you go back on your Cheshire Jones' family ? > Ray.Jones, London,Ontario > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Jones" <p-rjones@sympatico.ca> > To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 8:07 AM > Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Roll Call > > >> My names are: >> >> JONES Cheshire >> KENYON Cheshire >> MCGUNIIGALL Cheshire >> NEILL Cheshire and Scotland >> DONONOE Cheshire and Ireland >> ROBINSON Cheshire >> ENGLAND Cheshire >> MCCOLLOUGH Cheshire and Ireland >> >> Thanks >> >> Peter in Burlington, Ontario >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 14:40:51 +0000 > From: wightway@tiscali.co.uk > Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] FW: Roll Call > To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <45413F4700038285@mail-4-uk.mail.tiscali.sys> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" > > I've been subscribed to this list on a "watching for" basis for some time, > just in case I have information that others might need that might one day > turn up something > for me. Perhaps this now is the purpose in responding to a reveille. > > KIRKPATRICK, SILLERS or SELLERS and JOHNSON are the names with connections > in Caldy, W Birkenhead, and Liverpool.. > > I have to give credit to Gordon for being able to fill in some of my gaps > in the past on the KIRKPATRICK name that has a connection also with > JOHNSON > and SILLERS or SELLERS. They were married in Liverpool and raised a family > in Caldy Cheshire, though they maintained a connection with Liverpool > whilst > there was seafaring in the family. At some point they left Cheshire to > live > and eventually die in Liverpool. > > Maybe those with Cheshire interests here might pick up on this now; I've > never really known if Cheshire names were somewhat off topic for a > Merseyside > list. I am at a disadvantage at the moment in not being able to receive > mails into my mail client until late in the afternoon of Monday next, due > to some error so I havent been able to see whether there has been a url > posted > for a map of the area of interest to this list as it seems has been > suggested. > Good idea!. > > I should clarify at this point also that not only do I have a brick wall > but I have also something of a cement maize. I may not have made it clear > before, it does seem a good opportunity to do so now, that in searching > these > folk I have absolutely no relationship with them - so far - in my own > ancestry. > > I am doing so because they are connected to a line that I have extensive > records for - also with some help from Gordon, as well as from other > Researchers, > though they do bear the same name as that of a Gt Gt Grandmother. So with > that explanation out of the way the details of these folk are as follows: > > David KIRKPATRICK b 1783 m Mary SILLERS b 21.10.1796 St Peter's Church > Liverpool. > Together they raised several children - I have details of them - > apparently > in Caldy, Cheshire [W. Birkenhead] > Never did understand about the West Birkenhead district but no doubt > someone > will explain now. > David KIRKPATRICK died at 130 Park Lane, Liverpool having been a Master > Mariner > and later, a Surgeon. > Mary [SILLERS] KIRKPATRICK died 1864 also in Liverpool, apparently a > Teacher > > Maybe the SILLERS or SELLERS name is one of Cheshire, but also perhaps > JOHNSON. > Mary Sillers was the daughter of John SILLERS/SELLERS and Mary JOHNSON who > married in 1788 > > I dont know where either of these folk were born but I suspect it could be > in a place that is definitely off topic for this list. > > Janet > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Tiscali Unlimited Broadband with FREE weekend calls only 12.99! > http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 14:50:12 +0000 > From: wightway@tiscali.co.uk > Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Result. Free > To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <45413F47000382CF@mail-4-uk.mail.tiscali.sys> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" > > LOL I am fairly certain they are cousins but as yet cannot prove it one > way or the other. At one time I didnt know if - shock horror - I might > have > married the wrong one to the wrong lady! I wondered also if the lady in > question might have courted with the deceased, and then decided to marry > the other of the same name so as not to complicate matters, the banns > even, > rather along the lines of your thought. > Fortunately the good people who are transcribing records at the Cheshire > Parish Project were able to produce a marriage where the groom kindly > wrote > down the name of his father, who by that time had died. What a blessing > that was. So, I'm sorry, its back to the grind on Monday for you since > I've > never had much luck with the lottery balls. > > Janet > > >>-- Original Message -- >>From: "Sandra Durkin" <thedurk@btinternet.com> >> >> >>Hi Janet >> >>Yes, very short odds, I imagine. Unless Alexander had psychic powers and >> >>presented himself at the registery office immediately before his demise > and >> >>sorted the paperwork out to save his family the trouble..... >> >>Or he could have had a twin brother of the same name? I'm putting my money >> >>on his psychic powers and hoping they passed down the line to you so that >> >>you can sort all our brick walls out. Or let me have next weeks lottery > >>numbers so that I can get on with my family research without the hindrance >> >>of having to turn up for work five days a week. >> >>Sandra > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Tiscali Unlimited Broadband with FREE weekend calls only 12.99! > http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 15:09:00 -0000 > From: "Raymond Fowler" <ray@skem2000.freeserve.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] The Wirral > To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <00f001c70b23$9b8516e0$5ee487d9@freeserve.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Be reminded that Merseyside is an 'administrative county' only. > TheWirral is geographically still in Cheshire. > Liverpool and Southport are still in Lancashire. > The Royal Mail accepts the use of old county names without conditions. > Ray Fowler. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "margaret davies" <maglez@bigpond.com> > To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 7:51 AM > Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] The Wirral > > >> My Dear Gordon!!!!The Wirral short for The Wirral Peninsula. I was born > and brought up on THE Wirral and deliberately use the THE word to denote > for > me THE most important place in my world!! >> Jackie I'm sure meant The names 'in Wirral' not 'the Wirral' names. >> Subtle > difference I believe!! Be like me Jackie and call it The Wirral if that is > what you want!! >> Re Merseyside. How I hated it when The Wirral was no longer a place in > Cheshire in it's own right but was replaced by Merseyside!! I still > address > letters to my sister in Wirral, Cheshire, England. Always have and always > will! Just my little protest! However she is glad of the transport > arrangements like so many others. Margaret in Australia >> To go to the site, click on >> http://lists9.rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 10:24:39 -0500 > From: "Cath & Brian" <b_atkinson@rogers.com> > Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] MY NAMES > To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <004c01c70b25$aa691f60$cf8c1a46@yourf2bcrprmnp> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Dorothy, > > Mary Smith in 1927 Married Wm. Graham at St.Simons parish church. > Liverpool. > > her fathers name was Thomas Smith (deceased). > hope this helps. > Cathy. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 09:37:22 -0600 > From: "Pat Wagley" <patriciawagley@msn.com> > Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] My Names: MCMONAGLE, TROUGHTON, BATEMAN, > HUGHES.......... > To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BAY110-DAV33569C6E5957DF3C5B83BD1EF0@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > My Liverpool names: > > > > MCMONAGLE > > > > TROUGHTON > > > > BATEMAN > > > > And of course the usual JONES and HUGHES, a little further info. to > distinguish mine from everybody else's: > > > > John HUGHES married Elizabeth JONES in Welshpool, Mont. Wales 1870. They > moved to Liverpool between 1881 and 1890. > > Elizabeth died 1899, John re-married Grace SEARLE, and they had one known > son Albert, b. after the 1901 census. > > > > Gordon, if you should find that any of your HUTCHINSONs were in St. Bee's, > Cumberland Parish between 1539 and 1837 I may be able to help as I have > extracted all of the HUTCHINSONs from that parish into a spread sheet and > would be happy to either do a look up or send a copy. > > > > Pat > > Texas > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 10:47:55 -0500 > From: "Cath & Brian" <b_atkinson@rogers.com> > Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] GRAHAM Arthur > To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <007401c70b28$ea59f5b0$cf8c1a46@yourf2bcrprmnp> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Elizabeth, > > I have a cousin Arthur born in 1933. > > Cathy. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 15:47:53 +0000 > From: wightway@tiscali.co.uk > Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] MY NAMES > To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com, eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <45413F4700038422@mail-4-uk.mail.tiscali.sys> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" > > Just in case its not such a lost cause, my stepfather's name is DAVIES, > should > you wish to exchange information. > > Janet > > >>-- Original Message -- >>From: "Gordon Evans" <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> >> >> >>I am in fact 75% Welsh (JONES, HUGHES, GRIFFITHS, WILLIAMS, DAVIES and >>PARRY) which is almost a lost cause, but my English names are : >> >>FELL(S) (Liverpool 1500's, Bidston/Arrowe 1500/1600's) >>BENNETT (Neston 1500's, Woodchurch 1500/1600's) >>SHERLOCK (Oxton 1500/1700's, Raby/Upton-in-Overchurch 1700's) >>EVANS (Puddington 16/1700's, Little Meols/Wallasey 17/1800's) >>LEADER/LEATHER/LEDDER (Puddington 1600's, Frankby 16/1700's) >>COVENTRY (West Kirby 1600's) >>CAMPBELL (Paddington/Hampstead 1800's) >> >>After the mid-1850's just EVANS in Walton, Bootle and New Brighton with > a >> >>branch in Durban, South Africa. >> >>PS. Does anyone else have both Puddington and Paddington in their family >>tree? :-) >> >>Gordon >>Wirral UK >> >>From: "Marged" <marged36@btopenworld.com> >>To: "MERSEYSIDE" <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 10:42 AM >>Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] WELCOME TO NEW MEMBERS >> >>>Good Morning >>>I notice we have a number of new members on the list. Let's try and make >>>things a bit more interesting, as there is not much going on at the >>>moment. >>>Perhaps all listers would like to send in the names they are searching > for. >>>Also, the districts of Merseyside they are interesting. This is a very >>>wide >>>area and I will send a map link so we can see how far we reach. >>>Marged > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Tiscali Unlimited Broadband with FREE weekend calls only 12.99! > http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ENG-MERSEYSIDE list administrator, send an email to > ENG-MERSEYSIDE-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the ENG-MERSEYSIDE mailing list, send an email to > ENG-MERSEYSIDE@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ENG-MERSEYSIDE Digest, Vol 1, Issue 50 > ********************************************* > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/534 - Release Date: 14/11/2006 >

Not wishing to offend any one here but, is it also possible that there is a tendency to abbreviate by nature of the dialect? I do think it is interesting and also important to know local characteristics. Janet >-- Original Message -- >From: "Marged" > > >Hi Gordon > >However, it is "the Wirral Names" Jackie is talking about! > >I believe some people do call it The Wirral Peninsula > >Marj ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Unlimited Broadband with FREE weekend calls only 12.99! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/

Janet Although you and I come pretty close to a connection through our KIRKPATRICK's of Liverpool & Caldy, and via them the SHERRATT's of Glenbervie & Ocle Pychard (Herefordshire) I'd be most surprised if the name DAVIES were to bear similar fruit :- One of my great-grandmothers was a Sidney DAVIES born 1833 in Amlwch (Anglesey). She married a Thomas HUGHES (b1826 Mold) and gave birth to three children (one my grandmother) in Holyhead between 1866 and 1873. The family were proprietors of the Anglesey Arms in Vulcan Street, Holyhead. Sidney died in Walton, Liverpool, in 1908 at the age of 74. Gordon From: <wightway@tiscali.co.uk> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com>; Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] MY NAMES >Just in case its not such a lost cause, my stepfather's name is DAVIES, >should >you wish to exchange information. >Janet >From: "Gordon Evans" <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> >I am in fact 75% Welsh (JONES, HUGHES, GRIFFITHS, WILLIAMS, >DAVIES and >PARRY) which is almost a lost cause, but my English names are : >FELL(S) (Liverpool 1500's, Bidston/Arrowe 1500/1600's) >BENNETT (Neston 1500's, Woodchurch 1500/1600's) >SHERLOCK (Oxton 1500/1700's, Raby/Upton-in-Overchurch 1700's) >EVANS (Puddington 16/1700's, Little Meols/Wallasey 17/1800's) >LEADER/LEATHER/LEDDER (Puddington 1600's, Frankby 16/1700's) >COVENTRY (West Kirby 1600's) >CAMPBELL (Paddington/Hampstead 1800's) >After the mid-1850's just EVANS in Walton, Bootle and New Brighton >with a >branch in Durban, South Africa. >PS. Does anyone else have both Puddington and Paddington in their family >tree? :-) >Gordon >Wirral UK

What a good response to your original email Marged! I am amazed at just how many lines people are pursuing!! Makes me feel quite inadequate with my 2 lines. Regards to all Anne. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy Holden" <DMHolden@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] HOLDEN. > Hello Paul, > > HOLDEN is as common in Lancashire as JONES/WILLIAMS in Wales and SMITH in > England - there is a James in the family line that "my" HOLDEN family > descend from but I don't have much about him at all > > Alfred Holden married Annie WAINE (the Waine family was from Prescot). > His > father was Samuel HOLDEN (father William HOLDER a Carter) who married > Annie > DAVIES b Liverpool West Derby (father William DAVIES, a Carter) at St > Clements Church in Liverpool 26th April 1868. > > Samuel and Annie had a large family - in 1891 they are living at Longtons > Lane Rainhill, Samuel is 48 and a File Cutter born Little Woolton, Annie > is > 46 b West Derby and the following children are listed: > > William aged 22 b West Derby > John aged 20 b West Derby > Robert aged 18 b Rainhill * all subsequent children are also born Rainhill > George aged 15 > Samuel aged 13 > Harry aged 10 > Annie aged 7 > Alfred aged 5 *who married Annie WAINE and whose children my HOLDEN > connection comes from > Thomas aged 2 > Clara aged 2 > > In 1881 they were also at Longtons Lane but with Elizabeth DAVIES > unmarried > aged 31 listed with them. She is recorded as being "wife's sister" b > Liverpool. > > In 1871 they were at 21 Aigburth St West Derby with just William and John, > no mention of a James unfortunately! > > In 1861 Samuel is an apprentice file cutter aged 19 - living with Henry > WHITFIELD and family and other apprentices (Henry was a file maker) at > Hall > Lane Rainhill. > > In 1851 Samuel aged 8 was living with his older brother John and his > family > at Grange Lane Cottages Little Woolton. John is 29 and an agricultural > labourer married with a son, William, aged 4. > > Dot > Dorothy Holden > Dover Kent UK > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.7/537 - Release Date: 17/11/2006 > 17:56 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.7/537 - Release Date: 17/11/2006 > >

Hello Paul, HOLDEN is as common in Lancashire as JONES/WILLIAMS in Wales and SMITH in England - there is a James in the family line that "my" HOLDEN family descend from but I don't have much about him at all Alfred Holden married Annie WAINE (the Waine family was from Prescot). His father was Samuel HOLDEN (father William HOLDER a Carter) who married Annie DAVIES b Liverpool West Derby (father William DAVIES, a Carter) at St Clements Church in Liverpool 26th April 1868. Samuel and Annie had a large family - in 1891 they are living at Longtons Lane Rainhill, Samuel is 48 and a File Cutter born Little Woolton, Annie is 46 b West Derby and the following children are listed: William aged 22 b West Derby John aged 20 b West Derby Robert aged 18 b Rainhill * all subsequent children are also born Rainhill George aged 15 Samuel aged 13 Harry aged 10 Annie aged 7 Alfred aged 5 *who married Annie WAINE and whose children my HOLDEN connection comes from Thomas aged 2 Clara aged 2 In 1881 they were also at Longtons Lane but with Elizabeth DAVIES unmarried aged 31 listed with them. She is recorded as being "wife's sister" b Liverpool. In 1871 they were at 21 Aigburth St West Derby with just William and John, no mention of a James unfortunately! In 1861 Samuel is an apprentice file cutter aged 19 - living with Henry WHITFIELD and family and other apprentices (Henry was a file maker) at Hall Lane Rainhill. In 1851 Samuel aged 8 was living with his older brother John and his family at Grange Lane Cottages Little Woolton. John is 29 and an agricultural labourer married with a son, William, aged 4. Dot Dorothy Holden Dover Kent UK -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.7/537 - Release Date: 17/11/2006 17:56

Hello, The Fitzpatrick s I have made reference to were in Business in Liverpool for many years. Perhaps you would like to make contact off list. I will be off line from today until 26th but would be happy to tell you more. Regards Maureen --------------------------------- Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.