Pat, Not sure about your place names, etc...but since boundaries changed over time, then I entered where the location was at the time they were born...it could have changed by the time they married so I put what it was called when they married...same thing when they died. Can't go by modern day maps...I just enter it according to the Parish Registers found in. Hope this helps some, Lainee At 12:36 PM 11/19/2006, you wrote: >Hello List, >As we are on this topic " Wirral " could I please have some help putting >entrees in my family tree. And how the places should be entered. >I have many places which I likely have entered wrong. And would truly like >to be corrected. I have entered Great Meolse, Hoylake, Cheshire. England. >another one Hoose ( Hoylake ) West Kirby, England. another Hoose, Wirral, >Cheshire. . another Greasby, Wirral, Cheshire. another Frankby, Wirral, >Cheshire. No consistency as I am always lost when entering. >Cheers for now, >Pat and Bill >mayo-gal@telus.net

Forwarded by Admin ----- Original Message ----- From: P.MOLYNEUX To: ENG-MERSEYSIDE-admin@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 10:08 AM Subject: O'TOOLE/TOMAN These are my names .Pat Molyneux

Thank you Gordon - will look around locally or try Ebay. I am in Queensland Australia,Wx Wirralian,also have a Grandmother Anne EVANS morried in Onibury Salop 1815 to Thomas WEBSTER - could she be one of your Evans line. Regards Maureen --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - $150,000 loan for $579 a month. Intro-*Terms

In a message dated 19/11/2006 15:33:34 GMT Standard Time, marged36@btopenworld.com writes: I live 15 miles from the Wirral. Well I live in Hoylake, in Wirral ;-) When asked where I live I don't mention counties or peninsulas. I reply that Wirral is between Liverpool and Wales. Most people have heard of these two places Kathy

Hello List, As we are on this topic " Wirral " could I please have some help putting entrees in my family tree. And how the places should be entered. I have many places which I likely have entered wrong. And would truly like to be corrected. I have entered Great Meolse, Hoylake, Cheshire. England. another one Hoose ( Hoylake ) West Kirby, England. another Hoose, Wirral, Cheshire. . another Greasby, Wirral, Cheshire. another Frankby, Wirral, Cheshire. No consistency as I am always lost when entering. Cheers for now, Pat and Bill mayo-gal@telus.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.7/538 - Release Date: 18/11/2006

Hi from Australia, Looking for any info on Andrew M(A)CDONALD, thought to have been a doctor or research scientist in Birkenhead/Liverpool in the 1930-40s. Known to have had a german shepherd dog named Bruce. Jenny in Melbourne

Hello Maureen You give no indication as to where in the world you are, of course, but if in the UK can I suggest you get your hands on a copy of "Victuallers' Licences -Records for Family and Local Historians" by Jeremy Gibson & Judith Hunter (ISBN 1 86006 048 X). Most good libraries should have it in stock and some Record Offices might have it for sale - I purchased my copy in the Hereford RO some years ago for less than £4. Good luck Gordon Wirral UK From: "Maureen" <moreid2003@yahoo.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Merseyside Publicans. >Hi >I have several Publicans in different generations in Warrington,Widnes & > >Runcorn - has any other lister been successful in learning of Granting > >Licensees etc. Some of the Publicans were connected with Greenhall > >Whitely. Also like to add TRUSLOVE to my names of interest. Alice >Mary >TRUSLOVE married Peter R GREEN in Warrington - connection to >Ringa Bells >Warrington & Railway Innn Runcorn. >Will be off line until 26th Nov perhaps email on my Yahoo address. > >Regards >Maureen

Brenda, I have a Elizabeth Jane Shannon HOWARD (24) My Grandmother Married William Arthur Fitzpatrick (22) 1903, St Mary's Kirkdale. her Father was a George HOWARD, from the Liverpool area. I have copy of Marriage Certificate, can send. Ron Fitzpatrick Adelaide South Australia ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Liverpool Connections >I am originally from St Helens-now under Mersyside-(note were we retired to > at end) > > My L/Pool interest are > > BALDWIN(1851 census) Head of Household-John b c1826 > Abergail b. c 1824 wife b Irl- > Catherine (Dau.) b 1850 L/pool- > Catherine Regan,b c 1850 b L/pool--(sister) m Martin Regan-from list below > Mary b c 1801 Irl-(mother) > Denis (Bro>)b c 1831 -Irl > > HOWARD > George b ?? > Hannah b c 1859-d 1889 L/pool > > REGAN. > Martin b-c 1831 IRE. > Mary b b 1851 > Michael b 1861 > Catherine -b c 1856 L/pool-m John Mannion 1882 > Cornealious b c 1858 L/pool > Sarah . b c 1865 "" > Denis b c 1870 ""m Margaret Taylor 1895 > Ann b 1866 "" > John b c 1855 L/pool-m Hannah Howard from above list-1880-2nd m > in1898 -Margaret Marcella Gettins-lived in Cheshire for a while > Children from 1st m -Mary Ann -m Josef Schleising-1904 > Hannah Elizabeth m David Charles Williams 1906 > Children from 2nd m -Hilda Rose & James Gettins Regan > Brenda (St Helens -Tasmania) > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

>From St Helens Mooney Devlin Kilgallon Brenda ----- Original Message ----- From: <eng-merseyside-request@rootsweb.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 4:45 AM Subject: ENG-MERSEYSIDE Digest, Vol 1, Issue 51 > > > To unsubscribe from ENG-MERSEYSIDE-D, send a message to > > ENG-MERSEYSIDE-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > To contact the ENG-MERSEYSIDE-D list administrator, send mail to > ENG-MERSEYSIDE-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: MY NAMES.. (Paul Goodman) > 2. Re: My names (Carolyn Perkes) > 3. Re: MY NAMES (LEON KNAPPER) > 4. Re: HOLDEN. (Dorothy Holden) > 5. Re: MY NAMES (Gordon Evans) > 6. Re: HOLDEN. (Anne Kennedy) > 7. Re: GRAHAM Arthur (Elizabeth Dods) > 8. Re: MY NAMES (wightway@tiscali.co.uk) > 9. Bibby and Jackson. (Joy Heywood) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 15:48:28 -0000 > From: "Paul Goodman" <paul.goodman513@ntlworld.com> > Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] MY NAMES.. > To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <001401c70b28$febaa270$bd390450@your447023ae6b> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Dear Dot, > > Do you have a James Edward Holden b 1878 m Margaret Shearley Read 1903? > Their children were Sidney Edward b 5 July 1904 and Catherine b 1908. > They > emigrated to New Jesey. > > Paul Goodman > Folkestone Kent > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dorothy Holden" <DMHolden@ntlworld.com> > To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 9:18 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] MY NAMES.. > > >> My names are: >> >> MENZIES >> HELSBY >> HARRISON John illegitimate son of Mary HARRISON >> BARTON >> BIBBY >> >> and from my husband's side >> >> HOLDEN >> ADDISON >> JONES (but fortunately for me not from Wales!) >> OSTLE >> MILES >> WAINE >> >> Dot >> Dorothy Holden >> Dover Kent UK >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.7/537 - Release Date: >> 17/11/2006 >> 17:56 >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 11:17:58 -0500 > From: Carolyn Perkes <cperkes@videotron.ca> > Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] My names > To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <005801c70b2d$1cfee850$6401a8c0@D8K2KP21> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hi Eric, > > There could be a connection but I don't have immediate proof and not sure > just how. > I'll tell you what I have that makes me think there could be (possibly > naming patterns). This information was given to me by Susan Roscoe, a > distant Perkes cousin born Liverpool now living abroad who found me via > some > message board a few years ago and I'd like to acknowledge that here. > > Another caveat, I work full time and have yet to go about getting the > documents to prove I am on the right trail. > * > 1901 Census > Thomas Perkes (47) and wife Myra (Perry) Perkes (43), living at 36 > Thirlmere > Road, Everton > with their 6 children (including my grandfather) and a *nephew*, Ernest > Perkes, baker's errand boy, born Liverpool. > Now, your Ernest was born Pemberton, maybe that rules him out. Or maybe > his > birthplace is incorrectly listed on the Census? > * > Thomas Perkes above (1853, Wollaston, Worc, --1940, Hamilton, Ontario) > His father, also Thomas Perkes (1824, Dudley, christened Wombourne > Staffordshire, d. 1898, W. Derby ) first wife Emma Coley, of Halesowen, > 2nd > wife, Harriet Evans. > This Thomas Perkes had 11 siblings including a Joseph Aston Perkes, > 1818-1867. Siblings born between 1807 to 1831, all Dudley, Worc, > apparently. > Of these siblings, Charles (1829-1906) emigrated to Philadelphia and Henry > (1814-1890), to Salt Lake City. > Parents of Joseph, Thomas and the rest would be Henry Perkes and Elizabeth > Cartwright Aston. > If there is a connection, it might go back this far, to the children of > Henry and Elizabeth Perkes, or perhaps further, to Henry's generation. > * > The cemetery record for the Perkes family monument in Hamilton Ontario > lists > a Thomas Ernest Porthouse d. 16-06-1920 and Ada McIntryre (Noyes) > Porthouse > 07-01-1948. > * > As a child, I remember being taken to meet my grandfather's cousin Ernest > Perkes and his wife, in Hamilton. I believe he may have been the baker's > errand boy on the 1901 Census. > I don't know of any Nancy Perks in London Ontario. There are several > Perkes > (and more Perks) across Canada, but neither name is all that common in > this > country. > * > If you think any of this might be relevant, let me know and I will send > you > more detailed information. > > Best regards, > > Carolyn Perkes > > Eric Winstanley wrote: >> Hi Carolyn >> I'm not too sure whether this is the same family as yours, but seems a >> little too coincidental not to be. >> I have Joseph Perkes (Perks) born c1866 in Overbury, Worcester who >> married >> Elizabeth Teale. Their son Ernest was born in Northern England, in >> Pemberton >> and married Jane Haselden, a sister to my mother's brother in law. >> Their family emigrated to London, Ontario and although I have made >> contact >> with some of this family, the communication has dried up, possibly >> owing to >> the fact that Nancy Perks had no computer and things had to be done >> by snail >> mail. >> It is disappointing to lose contact and some of this is down to me as >> much >> as Nancy. >> I am in constant contact with the HASELDEN family and would like to >> exchange >> information with the PERKS family and associated families. >> I do hope this is part of your family, but if not it may ring some >> bells >> with someone out there. >> >> Regards, >> Eric in Wigan, Lancs. >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: eng-merseyside-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:eng-merseyside-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn >> Perkes >> Sent: 18 November 2006 00:35 >> To: ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] My names >> >> Marged, >> Thanks for hosting this list! >> * >> My interests are: >> PERKES ( Dudley Worcestershire, aka Perks back to pre-1800) >> COLEY (Emma, from Shropshire) >> >> By 1861 my PERKES were in Liverpool. >> My g-g grandfather's sister Emma PERKES (b. ca 1861) married a "Dave" >> PORTHOUSE in about 1881. The PORTHOUSES seemed to have been from >> Liverpool. >> >> To say, by 1907 this line of Perkes had emigrated to Hamilton Ontario >> Canada. With a nephew Tom PORTHOUSE. >> In case this helps anyone. >> >> >> ***************************************** >> Carolyn Perkes >> (Montr?al, Qu?bec, Canada) >> >> To go to the site, click on >> http://lists9.rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 16:28:56 +0000 (GMT) > From: LEON KNAPPER <leon.knapper1@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] MY NAMES > To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <20061118162856.74802.qmail@web86602.mail.ird.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > The names I am researching are: > > Vauxhall District Liverpool > Davenport, McKeown, Blundell, Shaw, Waddington, Rumbold, Foster. > Other Liverpool connections include > Woods, Blackledge, Madsen, Bradley, Mortimore, Birchall, Rogers, > Dunn(USA) > Sullivan, De Soberon. > Regards > Leon > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 16:38:11 -0000 > From: "Dorothy Holden" <DMHolden@ntlworld.com> > Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] HOLDEN. > To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <20061118163836.CTNG11710.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Dotty> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" > > Hello Paul, > > HOLDEN is as common in Lancashire as JONES/WILLIAMS in Wales and SMITH in > England - there is a James in the family line that "my" HOLDEN family > descend from but I don't have much about him at all > > Alfred Holden married Annie WAINE (the Waine family was from Prescot). > His > father was Samuel HOLDEN (father William HOLDER a Carter) who married > Annie > DAVIES b Liverpool West Derby (father William DAVIES, a Carter) at St > Clements Church in Liverpool 26th April 1868. > > Samuel and Annie had a large family - in 1891 they are living at Longtons > Lane Rainhill, Samuel is 48 and a File Cutter born Little Woolton, Annie > is > 46 b West Derby and the following children are listed: > > William aged 22 b West Derby > John aged 20 b West Derby > Robert aged 18 b Rainhill * all subsequent children are also born Rainhill > George aged 15 > Samuel aged 13 > Harry aged 10 > Annie aged 7 > Alfred aged 5 *who married Annie WAINE and whose children my HOLDEN > connection comes from > Thomas aged 2 > Clara aged 2 > > In 1881 they were also at Longtons Lane but with Elizabeth DAVIES > unmarried > aged 31 listed with them. She is recorded as being "wife's sister" b > Liverpool. > > In 1871 they were at 21 Aigburth St West Derby with just William and John, > no mention of a James unfortunately! > > In 1861 Samuel is an apprentice file cutter aged 19 - living with Henry > WHITFIELD and family and other apprentices (Henry was a file maker) at > Hall > Lane Rainhill. > > In 1851 Samuel aged 8 was living with his older brother John and his > family > at Grange Lane Cottages Little Woolton. John is 29 and an agricultural > labourer married with a son, William, aged 4. > > Dot > Dorothy Holden > Dover Kent UK > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.7/537 - Release Date: 17/11/2006 > 17:56 > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 16:57:26 -0000 > From: "Gordon Evans" <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] MY NAMES > To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <005401c70b32$a0904bf0$0201a8c0@Smokey> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; > reply-type=original > > Janet > > Although you and I come pretty close to a connection through our > KIRKPATRICK's of Liverpool & Caldy, and via them the SHERRATT's of > Glenbervie & Ocle Pychard (Herefordshire) I'd be most surprised if the > name > DAVIES were to bear similar fruit :- > > One of my great-grandmothers was a Sidney DAVIES born 1833 in Amlwch > (Anglesey). > She married a Thomas HUGHES (b1826 Mold) and gave birth to three children > (one my grandmother) in Holyhead between 1866 and 1873. > The family were proprietors of the Anglesey Arms in Vulcan Street, > Holyhead. > Sidney died in Walton, Liverpool, in 1908 at the age of 74. > > Gordon > > From: <wightway@tiscali.co.uk> > To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com>; > Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 3:47 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] MY NAMES > >>Just in case its not such a lost cause, my stepfather's name is DAVIES, >>should >>you wish to exchange information. >>Janet > >>From: "Gordon Evans" <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> >>I am in fact 75% Welsh (JONES, HUGHES, GRIFFITHS, WILLIAMS, >DAVIES and >>PARRY) which is almost a lost cause, but my English names are : >>FELL(S) (Liverpool 1500's, Bidston/Arrowe 1500/1600's) >>BENNETT (Neston 1500's, Woodchurch 1500/1600's) >>SHERLOCK (Oxton 1500/1700's, Raby/Upton-in-Overchurch 1700's) >>EVANS (Puddington 16/1700's, Little Meols/Wallasey 17/1800's) >>LEADER/LEATHER/LEDDER (Puddington 1600's, Frankby 16/1700's) >>COVENTRY (West Kirby 1600's) >>CAMPBELL (Paddington/Hampstead 1800's) >>After the mid-1850's just EVANS in Walton, Bootle and New Brighton >with a >>branch in Durban, South Africa. >>PS. Does anyone else have both Puddington and Paddington in their family >>tree? :-) >>Gordon >>Wirral UK > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 16:55:22 -0000 > From: "Anne Kennedy" <chrysalisanne@tiscali.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] HOLDEN. > To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <012e01c70b32$5f6d56e0$b1d12f50@D2H94Y1J> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > What a good response to your original email Marged! I am amazed at just > how > many lines people are pursuing!! Makes me feel quite inadequate with my 2 > lines. > > Regards to all > Anne. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dorothy Holden" <DMHolden@ntlworld.com> > To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 4:38 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] HOLDEN. > > >> Hello Paul, >> >> HOLDEN is as common in Lancashire as JONES/WILLIAMS in Wales and SMITH in >> England - there is a James in the family line that "my" HOLDEN family >> descend from but I don't have much about him at all >> >> Alfred Holden married Annie WAINE (the Waine family was from Prescot). >> His >> father was Samuel HOLDEN (father William HOLDER a Carter) who married >> Annie >> DAVIES b Liverpool West Derby (father William DAVIES, a Carter) at St >> Clements Church in Liverpool 26th April 1868. >> >> Samuel and Annie had a large family - in 1891 they are living at Longtons >> Lane Rainhill, Samuel is 48 and a File Cutter born Little Woolton, Annie >> is >> 46 b West Derby and the following children are listed: >> >> William aged 22 b West Derby >> John aged 20 b West Derby >> Robert aged 18 b Rainhill * all subsequent children are also born >> Rainhill >> George aged 15 >> Samuel aged 13 >> Harry aged 10 >> Annie aged 7 >> Alfred aged 5 *who married Annie WAINE and whose children my HOLDEN >> connection comes from >> Thomas aged 2 >> Clara aged 2 >> >> In 1881 they were also at Longtons Lane but with Elizabeth DAVIES >> unmarried >> aged 31 listed with them. She is recorded as being "wife's sister" b >> Liverpool. >> >> In 1871 they were at 21 Aigburth St West Derby with just William and >> John, >> no mention of a James unfortunately! >> >> In 1861 Samuel is an apprentice file cutter aged 19 - living with Henry >> WHITFIELD and family and other apprentices (Henry was a file maker) at >> Hall >> Lane Rainhill. >> >> In 1851 Samuel aged 8 was living with his older brother John and his >> family >> at Grange Lane Cottages Little Woolton. John is 29 and an agricultural >> labourer married with a son, William, aged 4. >> >> Dot >> Dorothy Holden >> Dover Kent UK >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.7/537 - Release Date: >> 17/11/2006 >> 17:56 >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.7/537 - Release Date: >> 17/11/2006 >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 12:02:41 -0500 > From: Elizabeth Dods <elizd77@rogers.com> > Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] GRAHAM Arthur > To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <8FC411C3-B645-4E67-BEE1-1F737D929858@rogers.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > This Arthur died in 1952 at the age of 29. So, guess it's not him! > Elizabeth Dods > elizd77@rogers.com > > > > On 18-Nov-06, at 10:47 AM, Cath & Brian wrote: > >> Elizabeth, >> >> I have a cousin Arthur born in 1933. >> >> Cathy. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG- >> MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 17:40:57 +0000 > From: wightway@tiscali.co.uk > Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] MY NAMES > To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com, eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <45412CD700037A9F@mail-2-uk.mail.tiscali.sys> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" > > Not wishing to offend any one here but, is it also possible that there is > a tendency to abbreviate by nature of the dialect? I do think it is > interesting > and also important to know local characteristics. > > Janet > > > >>-- Original Message -- >>From: "Marged" > >> >>Hi Gordon >> >>However, it is "the Wirral Names" Jackie is talking about! >> >>I believe some people do call it The Wirral Peninsula >> >>Marj > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Tiscali Unlimited Broadband with FREE weekend calls only 12.99! > http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 17:45:04 -0000 > From: "Joy Heywood" <joyheywood@btinternet.com> > Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Bibby and Jackson. > To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000a01c70b39$48070710$1a8a9951@home2259eb40a6> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi-my names from the Wirral are Bibby and Jackson. Alexander Bibby married > Sarah Jackson 1753 at Great Neston.Thereafter, they removed to Flint . > Actually , he could have been from Flint-In those days there was a regular > ferry service across the Dee, but, she was from the Wirral.I can't get > back > any further on these two-anyone have any connections? > Joy > Original Message ----- > From: <eng-merseyside-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 3:48 PM > Subject: ENG-MERSEYSIDE Digest, Vol 1, Issue 50 > > >> >> >> To unsubscribe from ENG-MERSEYSIDE-D, send a message to >> >> ENG-MERSEYSIDE-D-request@rootsweb.com >> >> that contains in the body of the message the command >> >> unsubscribe >> >> and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software >> requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. >> >> To contact the ENG-MERSEYSIDE-D list administrator, send mail to >> ENG-MERSEYSIDE-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Names (Yvonne Purdy) >> 2. Re: RE RE THE Wirral (wightway@tiscali.co.uk) >> 3. Re: Roll Call (Ray Jones) >> 4. FW: Roll Call (wightway@tiscali.co.uk) >> 5. Re: Result. Free (wightway@tiscali.co.uk) >> 6. Re: The Wirral (Raymond Fowler) >> 7. Re: MY NAMES (Cath & Brian) >> 8. My Names: MCMONAGLE, TROUGHTON, BATEMAN, HUGHES.......... >> (Pat Wagley) >> 9. Re: GRAHAM Arthur (Cath & Brian) >> 10. Re: MY NAMES (wightway@tiscali.co.uk) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 13:32:51 -0000 >> From: "Yvonne Purdy" <von@yvonnepurdy.free-online.co.uk> >> Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Names >> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: >> <CCEJILOPMDICBMMNNJGPOEMKGCAA.von@yvonnepurdy.free-online.co.uk> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Hi all, >> >> I'd like to add some names too. Gordon and I are blood related, so I'm >> also >> interested in >> >>> FELL(S) (Liverpool 1500's, Bidston/Arrowe 1500/1600's) >>> BENNETT (Neston 1500's, Woodchurch 1500/1600's) >>> SHERLOCK (Oxton 1500/1700's, Raby/Upton-in-Overchurch 1700's) >> >> I hope you don't mind me 'pinching' a bit of your message, Gordon:-)) >> >> Also researching: >> SILCOCK from Greasby >> SWIFT (my elusive William SWIFT, born ca 1829 Liverpool, son of Joseph >> SWIFT, Butcher; can't find him in either 1841 or 1851 census) >> HUGHES and JONES, (inevitably), from West Kirby (another link with >> Gordon) >> CARROLL (Dundalk, Ireland) >> WILSON (I think my earliest, so far, is John Wilson of Woodchurch, who >> married Ann MASON of Greasby in 1741, Woodchurch). >> WALL (Jane who married William Wilson in 1769, Bidston) >> >> Best regards, >> Yvonne Purdy (nee Sherlock) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 13:51:53 +0000 >> From: wightway@tiscali.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] RE RE THE Wirral >> To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <45413F4700038183@mail-4-uk.mail.tiscali.sys> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" >> >> Is it possible that reference to Wirral as "The Wirral" is an >> abbreviation >> for The Wirral Peninsula. >> >> Janet >> >> ___________________________________________________________ >> >> Tiscali Unlimited Broadband with FREE weekend calls only 12.99! >> http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 08:56:22 -0500 >> From: "Ray Jones" <nantwich@istar.ca> >> Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Roll Call >> To: "Peter Jones" <p-rjones@sympatico.ca>, >> <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <001a01c70b19$553086c0$50f6fea9@nantwich> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Peter, >> How far back, and where to,do you go back on your Cheshire Jones' family >> ? >> Ray.Jones, London,Ontario >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Peter Jones" <p-rjones@sympatico.ca> >> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 8:07 AM >> Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Roll Call >> >> >>> My names are: >>> >>> JONES Cheshire >>> KENYON Cheshire >>> MCGUNIIGALL Cheshire >>> NEILL Cheshire and Scotland >>> DONONOE Cheshire and Ireland >>> ROBINSON Cheshire >>> ENGLAND Cheshire >>> MCCOLLOUGH Cheshire and Ireland >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Peter in Burlington, Ontario >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 14:40:51 +0000 >> From: wightway@tiscali.co.uk >> Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] FW: Roll Call >> To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <45413F4700038285@mail-4-uk.mail.tiscali.sys> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" >> >> I've been subscribed to this list on a "watching for" basis for some >> time, >> just in case I have information that others might need that might one day >> turn up something >> for me. Perhaps this now is the purpose in responding to a reveille. >> >> KIRKPATRICK, SILLERS or SELLERS and JOHNSON are the names with >> connections >> in Caldy, W Birkenhead, and Liverpool.. >> >> I have to give credit to Gordon for being able to fill in some of my gaps >> in the past on the KIRKPATRICK name that has a connection also with >> JOHNSON >> and SILLERS or SELLERS. They were married in Liverpool and raised a >> family >> in Caldy Cheshire, though they maintained a connection with Liverpool >> whilst >> there was seafaring in the family. At some point they left Cheshire to >> live >> and eventually die in Liverpool. >> >> Maybe those with Cheshire interests here might pick up on this now; I've >> never really known if Cheshire names were somewhat off topic for a >> Merseyside >> list. I am at a disadvantage at the moment in not being able to receive >> mails into my mail client until late in the afternoon of Monday next, due >> to some error so I havent been able to see whether there has been a url >> posted >> for a map of the area of interest to this list as it seems has been >> suggested. >> Good idea!. >> >> I should clarify at this point also that not only do I have a brick wall >> but I have also something of a cement maize. I may not have made it clear >> before, it does seem a good opportunity to do so now, that in searching >> these >> folk I have absolutely no relationship with them - so far - in my own >> ancestry. >> >> I am doing so because they are connected to a line that I have extensive >> records for - also with some help from Gordon, as well as from other >> Researchers, >> though they do bear the same name as that of a Gt Gt Grandmother. So >> with >> that explanation out of the way the details of these folk are as follows: >> >> David KIRKPATRICK b 1783 m Mary SILLERS b 21.10.1796 St Peter's Church >> Liverpool. >> Together they raised several children - I have details of them - >> apparently >> in Caldy, Cheshire [W. Birkenhead] >> Never did understand about the West Birkenhead district but no doubt >> someone >> will explain now. >> David KIRKPATRICK died at 130 Park Lane, Liverpool having been a Master >> Mariner >> and later, a Surgeon. >> Mary [SILLERS] KIRKPATRICK died 1864 also in Liverpool, apparently a >> Teacher >> >> Maybe the SILLERS or SELLERS name is one of Cheshire, but also perhaps >> JOHNSON. >> Mary Sillers was the daughter of John SILLERS/SELLERS and Mary JOHNSON >> who >> married in 1788 >> >> I dont know where either of these folk were born but I suspect it could >> be >> in a place that is definitely off topic for this list. >> >> Janet >> >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________ >> >> Tiscali Unlimited Broadband with FREE weekend calls only 12.99! >> http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 14:50:12 +0000 >> From: wightway@tiscali.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Result. Free >> To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <45413F47000382CF@mail-4-uk.mail.tiscali.sys> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" >> >> LOL I am fairly certain they are cousins but as yet cannot prove it one >> way or the other. At one time I didnt know if - shock horror - I might >> have >> married the wrong one to the wrong lady! I wondered also if the lady in >> question might have courted with the deceased, and then decided to marry >> the other of the same name so as not to complicate matters, the banns >> even, >> rather along the lines of your thought. >> Fortunately the good people who are transcribing records at the Cheshire >> Parish Project were able to produce a marriage where the groom kindly >> wrote >> down the name of his father, who by that time had died. What a blessing >> that was. So, I'm sorry, its back to the grind on Monday for you since >> I've >> never had much luck with the lottery balls. >> >> Janet >> >> >>>-- Original Message -- >>>From: "Sandra Durkin" <thedurk@btinternet.com> >>> >>> >>>Hi Janet >>> >>>Yes, very short odds, I imagine. Unless Alexander had psychic powers and >>> >>>presented himself at the registery office immediately before his demise >> and >>> >>>sorted the paperwork out to save his family the trouble..... >>> >>>Or he could have had a twin brother of the same name? I'm putting my >>>money >>> >>>on his psychic powers and hoping they passed down the line to you so that >>> >>>you can sort all our brick walls out. Or let me have next weeks lottery >> >>>numbers so that I can get on with my family research without the >>>hindrance >>> >>>of having to turn up for work five days a week. >>> >>>Sandra >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________ >> >> Tiscali Unlimited Broadband with FREE weekend calls only 12.99! >> http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 15:09:00 -0000 >> From: "Raymond Fowler" <ray@skem2000.freeserve.co.uk> >> Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] The Wirral >> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <00f001c70b23$9b8516e0$5ee487d9@freeserve.co.uk> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Be reminded that Merseyside is an 'administrative county' only. >> TheWirral is geographically still in Cheshire. >> Liverpool and Southport are still in Lancashire. >> The Royal Mail accepts the use of old county names without conditions. >> Ray Fowler. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "margaret davies" <maglez@bigpond.com> >> To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 7:51 AM >> Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] The Wirral >> >> >>> My Dear Gordon!!!!The Wirral short for The Wirral Peninsula. I was born >> and brought up on THE Wirral and deliberately use the THE word to denote >> for >> me THE most important place in my world!! >>> Jackie I'm sure meant The names 'in Wirral' not 'the Wirral' names. >>> Subtle >> difference I believe!! Be like me Jackie and call it The Wirral if that >> is >> what you want!! >>> Re Merseyside. How I hated it when The Wirral was no longer a place in >> Cheshire in it's own right but was replaced by Merseyside!! I still >> address >> letters to my sister in Wirral, Cheshire, England. Always have and always >> will! Just my little protest! However she is glad of the transport >> arrangements like so many others. Margaret in Australia >>> To go to the site, click on >>> http://lists9.rootsweb.com >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 10:24:39 -0500 >> From: "Cath & Brian" <b_atkinson@rogers.com> >> Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] MY NAMES >> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <004c01c70b25$aa691f60$cf8c1a46@yourf2bcrprmnp> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Dorothy, >> >> Mary Smith in 1927 Married Wm. Graham at St.Simons parish church. >> Liverpool. >> >> her fathers name was Thomas Smith (deceased). >> hope this helps. >> Cathy. >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 09:37:22 -0600 >> From: "Pat Wagley" <patriciawagley@msn.com> >> Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] My Names: MCMONAGLE, TROUGHTON, BATEMAN, >> HUGHES.......... >> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <BAY110-DAV33569C6E5957DF3C5B83BD1EF0@phx.gbl> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> >> My Liverpool names: >> >> >> >> MCMONAGLE >> >> >> >> TROUGHTON >> >> >> >> BATEMAN >> >> >> >> And of course the usual JONES and HUGHES, a little further info. to >> distinguish mine from everybody else's: >> >> >> >> John HUGHES married Elizabeth JONES in Welshpool, Mont. Wales 1870. They >> moved to Liverpool between 1881 and 1890. >> >> Elizabeth died 1899, John re-married Grace SEARLE, and they had one known >> son Albert, b. after the 1901 census. >> >> >> >> Gordon, if you should find that any of your HUTCHINSONs were in St. >> Bee's, >> Cumberland Parish between 1539 and 1837 I may be able to help as I have >> extracted all of the HUTCHINSONs from that parish into a spread sheet and >> would be happy to either do a look up or send a copy. >> >> >> >> Pat >> >> Texas >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 9 >> Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 10:47:55 -0500 >> From: "Cath & Brian" <b_atkinson@rogers.com> >> Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] GRAHAM Arthur >> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <007401c70b28$ea59f5b0$cf8c1a46@yourf2bcrprmnp> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Elizabeth, >> >> I have a cousin Arthur born in 1933. >> >> Cathy. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 10 >> Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 15:47:53 +0000 >> From: wightway@tiscali.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] MY NAMES >> To: eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com, eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <45413F4700038422@mail-4-uk.mail.tiscali.sys> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" >> >> Just in case its not such a lost cause, my stepfather's name is DAVIES, >> should >> you wish to exchange information. >> >> Janet >> >> >>>-- Original Message -- >>>From: "Gordon Evans" <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> >>> >>> >>>I am in fact 75% Welsh (JONES, HUGHES, GRIFFITHS, WILLIAMS, DAVIES and >>>PARRY) which is almost a lost cause, but my English names are : >>> >>>FELL(S) (Liverpool 1500's, Bidston/Arrowe 1500/1600's) >>>BENNETT (Neston 1500's, Woodchurch 1500/1600's) >>>SHERLOCK (Oxton 1500/1700's, Raby/Upton-in-Overchurch 1700's) >>>EVANS (Puddington 16/1700's, Little Meols/Wallasey 17/1800's) >>>LEADER/LEATHER/LEDDER (Puddington 1600's, Frankby 16/1700's) >>>COVENTRY (West Kirby 1600's) >>>CAMPBELL (Paddington/Hampstead 1800's) >>> >>>After the mid-1850's just EVANS in Walton, Bootle and New Brighton with >> a >>> >>>branch in Durban, South Africa. >>> >>>PS. Does anyone else have both Puddington and Paddington in their family >>>tree? :-) >>> >>>Gordon >>>Wirral UK >>> >>>From: "Marged" <marged36@btopenworld.com> >>>To: "MERSEYSIDE" <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> >>>Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 10:42 AM >>>Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] WELCOME TO NEW MEMBERS >>> >>>>Good Morning >>>>I notice we have a number of new members on the list. Let's try and >>>>make >>>>things a bit more interesting, as there is not much going on at the >>>>moment. >>>>Perhaps all listers would like to send in the names they are searching >> for. >>>>Also, the districts of Merseyside they are interesting. This is a very >>>>wide >>>>area and I will send a map link so we can see how far we reach. >>>>Marged >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________ >> >> Tiscali Unlimited Broadband with FREE weekend calls only 12.99! >> http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To contact the ENG-MERSEYSIDE list administrator, send an email to >> ENG-MERSEYSIDE-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the ENG-MERSEYSIDE mailing list, send an email to >> ENG-MERSEYSIDE@rootsweb.com. >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the >> body >> of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> End of ENG-MERSEYSIDE Digest, Vol 1, Issue 50 >> ********************************************* >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/534 - Release Date: >> 14/11/2006 >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ENG-MERSEYSIDE list administrator, send an email to > ENG-MERSEYSIDE-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the ENG-MERSEYSIDE mailing list, send an email to > ENG-MERSEYSIDE@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ENG-MERSEYSIDE Digest, Vol 1, Issue 51 > ********************************************* > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.7/538 - Release Date: 18/11/2006 > 4:48 PM > >

I am originally from St Helens-now under Mersyside-(note were we retired to at end) My L/Pool interest are BALDWIN(1851 census) Head of Household-John b c1826 Abergail b. c 1824 wife b Irl- Catherine (Dau.) b 1850 L/pool- Catherine Regan,b c 1850 b L/pool--(sister) m Martin Regan-from list below Mary b c 1801 Irl-(mother) Denis (Bro>)b c 1831 -Irl HOWARD George b ?? Hannah b c 1859-d 1889 L/pool REGAN. Martin b-c 1831 IRE. Mary b b 1851 Michael b 1861 Catherine -b c 1856 L/pool-m John Mannion 1882 Cornealious b c 1858 L/pool Sarah . b c 1865 "" Denis b c 1870 ""m Margaret Taylor 1895 Ann b 1866 "" John b c 1855 L/pool-m Hannah Howard from above list-1880-2nd m in1898 -Margaret Marcella Gettins-lived in Cheshire for a while Children from 1st m -Mary Ann -m Josef Schleising-1904 Hannah Elizabeth m David Charles Williams 1906 Children from 2nd m -Hilda Rose & James Gettins Regan Brenda (St Helens -Tasmania)

Hi Marge This is a very long shot; Would you happen to have a Walter Francis QUINN among your Quinn Family? I only know that he was born early 1900s in either Liverpool or Southport. I have been unable to find anything more about him - Jackie

Hello Walter As I believe I mentioned to you when we first discussed this branch of your family several years ago you and I are in fact 3rd cousins, your great-grandmother Elizabeth EVANS (b1836 New Brighton) being a full sister to my great-grandfather William EVANS (b1830 New Brighton). Both were children of John EVANS (b1800 Little Meols) and Agnes HUTCHINSON (b1803 Broughton-in-Furness, Lancashire) who were married in Wallasey St Hilary on 25 September 1825. John & Agnes EVANS' full brood was as follows :- 1826 Mary Anne (m Samuel POSTON 1864) 1828 Isabella (spinster) 1830 William (m Sarah CAMPBELL ????) (my great-grandfather) 1832 John (m Hannah COCKRELL 1858) 1834 Agnes (spinster) 1836 Elizabeth (m William JONES 1864) (your great-grandmother) 1838 Joseph (m Elizabeth NIXON 1865) 1840 Edward (d Calcutta 1857 aged 16) 1844 Eliza (d 1844) 1846 Eliza (m Charles Lemuel GOODWIN 1871) 1847 Jane (m John Price WILLIAMS 1891) John EVANS (b1800 Little Meols) was a son of William EVANS (b1775 Liverpool) and Nancy JONES (b 1880 Great Meols) who were married in Liverpool St Nicholas on 8 January 1799. William & Nancy EVANS' full brood was :- 1799 Mary Ann (m William JOHNSON 1836) 1800 John (m Agnes HUTCHINSON 1825) 1803 Thomas (m Ellen LEDSHAM 1827) 1804 George (m Ann GRIFFITHS 1830) 1808 Peter (m Ann HARRIS 1839) 1809 William (m Margaret Elizabeth CALLISTER 1836) 1811 Henry (m Barbara LEDDER 1831) 1814 Elizabeth (m Richard SHERLOCK 1832) 1816 David (bachelor) The first 4 children were all born in Little Meols, the last 5 in New Brighton. Thomas EVANS (b1803) was for many years coxswain/master of the Magazines (later the New Brighton) Lifeboat. George, Peter, William and David all became Liverpool Pilots, George being drowned when he slipped whilst transferring vessels in January 1849. William EVANS (b1775 Liverpool) was a beer-seller in the 1841 Census and in a will dated 1837 gave his address as The Mount Tavern, Liscard. His eldest son, my 2g-grandfather John EVANS (yours too, of course) was licensee of the Little Brighton Inn in Liscard from 1851 until his death in 1864, but I haven't as yet been able to establish whether this was the Mount Tavern re-named or a different establishment altogether. The licence of the Little Brighton (also known as the Little Jinny after the singer Jenny Lind whos' supposed to have once stopped there) appears to have been transferred after John's death to his son-in-law (your great-grandfather) Walter JONES who I have in my tree as born 22 October 1827 in Bicton Heath, Salop. I can take this EVANS line back to a marriage in Burton St Nicholas on 26 February 1695 should you be interested, and can link it via a marriage to a SHERLOCK line going back into the 1500's. Will write to you further off-list tomorrow. Regards Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "WALTER JONES" <alsrecs@btopenworld.com> To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 11:20 PM Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] New Subscriber >Hello everyone, >I'm afraid I used to "Lurk" for a while, then got into research on my >Better >halfs Scottish Ancestry, now a few years later I feel I must try to >get to grips >with my JONES and EVANS lines. >I am the Great Grandson of William JONES c1828, Shrewsbury, and > >Elizabeth EVANS 1836, New Brighton. They married 15-3-1864, St. >Pauls, >Seacombe. >I am also interested in WILLIAMS, through Cicely JONES 1869, Daur. of > >William and Elizabeth, who married Hugh Warren WILLIAMS, 17-2->1892, at >Bidston Parish Church. >Also I have connections to Alfred, and John GRAHAM, who in 1901 I >believe >had a Greengrocers business in Liscard or thereabouts. >I look forward to any replies. >Walter Jones.

Hi Ron/Maureen I have very little info on my FITZPATRICKs. I have great-great grandparents Denis and Bridget FITZPATRICK who were born in Roscommon, Ireland. Their daughter, Catherine, my great grandmother was also born in Roscommon around 1871. I have only found the family in Staffordshire on censuses but I do wonder if there was a family link with Liverpool. My father, Tom DURKIN, was born in Stoke on Trent in 1919. He left school at 14 to help the family (his father was a miner and had many accidents in the pit so with 8 children, money was tight). He didn't have a trade until he joined the RAF in around 1950 so I can't think why, in the mid/late 1940s, he would have gone to Liverpool to find work unless he had family there? And the family links could have been FITZPATRICK, RAFTERY or DURKIN. How I wish I'd asked my parents more while they were alive. Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Fitzpatrick" <fitzp369@iinet.net.au> Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Sandra's - My Names > Sandra, > > I am a Fitzpatrick from Liverpool - Wirral - Now Australia. > > My Family Back to my Great Grand father all from Liverpool. > > What names are you trying to find. > > Ron Fitzpatrick > Adelaide > South Australia

> Shows that you're not local. > To any native Wirralian it's just WIRRAL, not THE Wirral. :-) > I was born in Wallasey and raised in Greasby before emigrating to Australia as a young adult so I consider myself a native Wirralian. Now 50 years in Australia and regularly asked where I am from my response always has been and still is "Cheshire - the Wirral". I also have several publications that refer to "the Wirral". Names I am researching are - BOUMPHREY, Heswall, Bebington, Lymm (I am aware of Ian Boumphrey, publisher) CLARKE - Wallasey, Liverpool, Toxteth Park, Runcorn, Flintshire CROCKFORD - Wallasey, Suffolk, London EXLEY, Liverpool FORSTER, Runcorn, Liverpool, Toxteth Park INGLEFIELD, West Kirby, Bebington MUNNERLEY, Bebington, Neston, Heswall, West Kirby/Meols/Hoylake wide Liverpool area, Hawarden NAYLOR, Toxteth Park, Bebington, Little Budworth TEBBY - Wallasey, Liverpool, Toxteth Park, Manchester, London, Bedfordshire Regards Errol nee Crockford in Marysville, Victoria, Australia

Hi, I have several Publicans in different generations in Warrington,Widnes & Runcorn - has any other lister been successful in learning of Granting Licensees etc. Some of the Publicans were connected with Greenhall Whitely. Also like to add TRUSLOVE to my names of interest. Alice Mary TRUSLOVE married Peter R GREEN in Warrington - connection to Ringa Bells Warrington & Railway Innn Runcorn. Will be off line until 26th Nov perhaps email on my Yahoo address. Regards Maureen --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $510,000 Mortgage for $1,698/mo - Calculate new house payment

What Bells and Quinns are you searching Marge? Cathy.

Hello everyone, I'm afraid I used to "Lurk" for a while, then got into research on my Better halfs Scottish Ancestry, now a few years later I feel I must try to get to grips with my JONES and EVANS lines. I am the Great Grandson of William JONES c1828, Shrewsbury, and Elizabeth EVANS 1836, New Brighton. They married 15-3-1864, St. Pauls, Seacombe. I am also interested in WILLIAMS, through Cicely JONES 1869, Daur. of William and Elizabeth, who married Hugh Warren WILLIAMS, 17-2-1892, at Bidston Parish Church. Also I have connections to Alfred, and John GRAHAM, who in 1901 I believe had a Greengrocers business in Liscard or thereabouts. I look forward to any replies. Walter Jones.

Hi Gordon - I did think myself that he could have been her illegitimate son, but then I have come to be quite fond of those rattling skeletons and am not shocked or upset any more (never was, really!) I haven't seen any Martindales on my books yet - did see a Winstanley witnessing the marriage of Elizabeth Peacock and William Bentley in 1872, with Teresa Jolley also witnessing. Marged The 12 year-old scholar Joseph CUTT from the 1841 Census who appeared to have metamorphosed into 23 year-old blacksmith Joseph BURKE (brother-in-law of William PEACOCK) by 1851 had almost certainly metamorphosed back again 4 years later, since Free BMD has this marriage :- June Quarter 1855 West Derby 8b/540 Joseph CUTT and Emily Charlotte FOWLER And the 1861 Census this household :- RG9/2711 folio 123 page 34 23 Henry Street, Everton Joseph CUTTS, 32, blacksmith, LAN LIVERPOOL Emily, wife, 29, LAN Liverpool George H, son, 5, LAN Everton Frederick J, son, 3, LAN Everton William J, son, 9 months, LAN Everton It is of course quite possible that Joseph really was Sarah's brother and not her illegitimate son, as I'm afraid I may have suggested in an earlier post. Hope you haven't forgotten that this family could well turn out to be that of my sister-in-law Linda MARTINDALE nee PEACOCK too? :-) Regards Gordon

Hi Marged The 12 year-old scholar Joseph CUTT from the 1841 Census who appeared to have metamorphosed into 23 year-old blacksmith Joseph BURKE (brother-in-law of William PEACOCK) by 1851 had almost certainly metamorphosed back again 4 years later, since Free BMD has this marriage :- June Quarter 1855 West Derby 8b/540 Joseph CUTT and Emily Charlotte FOWLER And the 1861 Census this household :- RG9/2711 folio 123 page 34 23 Henry Street, Everton Joseph CUTTS, 32, blacksmith, LAN LIVERPOOL Emily, wife, 29, LAN Liverpool George H, son, 5, LAN Everton Frederick J, son, 3, LAN Everton William J, son, 9 months, LAN Everton It is of course quite possible that Joseph really was Sarah's brother and not her illegitimate son, as I'm afraid I may have suggested in an earlier post. Hope you haven't forgotten that this family could well turn out to be that of my sister-in-law Linda MARTINDALE nee PEACOCK too? :-) Regards Gordon >From: "Marged" <marged36@btopenworld.com> >To: "MERSEYSIDE" <ENG-MERSEYSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 7:48 PM >Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] PEACOCK >I have today received the birth certificate of my great grandmother, >Elizabeth Peacock, born 1847. Of course, the most interesting name piece >of >information on the certificate is her mother's maiden name and >unfortunately >this is practically unreadable. >On Monday morning I will get on to Smedley Hydro (about 2 miles from >my >house, for all the good that does me) and no doubt they will send me a >clearer copy. >The name has 4 or could be 5 letters, and looks like: >Cutts >Critt >Oritt >Marged

Amazing coincidence there Brenda - wishing you the best with your search Marged I am originally from St Helens-now under Mersyside-(note were we retired to at end) My L/Pool interest are BALDWIN(1851 census) Head of Household-John b c1826 Abergail b. c 1824 wife b Irl- Catherine (Dau.) b 1850 L/pool- Catherine Regan,b c 1850 b L/pool--(sister) m Martin Regan-from list below Mary b c 1801 Irl-(mother) Denis (Bro>)b c 1831 -Irl HOWARD George b ?? Hannah b c 1859-d 1889 L/pool REGAN. Martin b-c 1831 IRE. Mary b b 1851 Michael b 1861 Catherine -b c 1856 L/pool-m John Mannion 1882 Cornealious b c 1858 L/pool Sarah . b c 1865 "" Denis b c 1870 ""m Margaret Taylor 1895 Ann b 1866 "" John b c 1855 L/pool-m Hannah Howard from above list-1880-2nd m in1898 -Margaret Marcella Gettins-lived in Cheshire for a while Children from 1st m -Mary Ann -m Josef Schleising-1904 Hannah Elizabeth m David Charles Williams 1906 Children from 2nd m -Hilda Rose & James Gettins Regan Brenda (St Helens -Tasmania)