Hi Gordon, What an angel you are!! Thank you so very much for the details you've sent, that's such a great help. Best regards, Yvonne >> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 00:48:19 -0000 From: "Gordon Evans" <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Thomas DODD/Mary Jane SHERLOCK To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Hi Yvonne >Peter Dodd and Alice Hughes (married where and when?). I have it as 30 December 1855 in Liverpool St Peter. >Peter Dodd died very soon after Thomas' birth in an accident in Liverpool. I have his burial 15 February 1857 in Bidston St Oswald. >Nany Dodd ca 1893 Ida Nannie DODD b1892 (Cheshire BMD) >Harold Walter Dodd ca 1900 Confirmed as 1900 (Cheshire BMD) >I think that Mary Jane Dodd died about 1899 According to Hoylake Holy Trinity MI's she died on 4 August 1898 >Thomas Dodd re-married twice more. There should be another child as he > >had nine in total. Can't help with any of this, I'm afraid, other than to comment that Thomas is shown as married in 1901 but no wife with him in the Census. Regards Gordon <<

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Evans" <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 5:09 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] New Subscriber > Hello again Walter (cousin) > >>Also I have connections to Alfred, and John GRAHAM, who in 1901 I >believe >>had a Greengrocers business in Liscard or thereabouts. > > Not sure exactly what it is you're seeking here - contact with present-day > descendants or info going backwards from 1901? > They're not in my family tree, I'm afraid, but their genealogy appears to > be > as follows :- > > Marriage > 1875 > Holy Trinity, Walton Breck Road, Liverpool > Albert GRAHAM and Margaret KINLEY > > 1881 Census > RG11/3669 folio 8 page 10 > 93 St Domingo Road, Everton > Albert GRAHAM, 28, ship joiner, LAN Liverpool > Margaret, wife, 26, LAN Liverpool > Alfred, son, 5, LAN Liverpool > William, son, 4, LAN Liverpool > John, son, 3, LAN Liverpool > Albert, son, 9 months, LAN Liverpool > > The couple had a daughter Ellen before Margaret (Kinley) GRAHAM died in > 1888 > aged 33. > > Marriage > 1890 > Kirkdale St Mary > Albert GRAHAM and Emma WOODS (probly a widow) > > 1891 Census > RG12/2952 folio 115 page 23 > 95 Seacome Street, Everton > Albert GRAHAM, 38, joiner, LAN Liverpool > Emma, wife, 38, LAN Liverpool > Alfred, son, 15, boilermaker, LAN Liverpool > William, son, 14, LAN Liverpool > John, son, 12, LAN Liverpool > Albert E, son, 10, LAN Liverpool > Ellen, daur, 6, LAN Liverpool > Frances, daur, 5 months, LAN Liverpool > Emma WOODS, step-daur, 15, LAN Liverpool > Thomas, step-son, 10, LAN Liverpool > Elizabeth ANDERTON, sister-in-law, U, 30, LAN Liverpool > > Marriage > 1899 > West Derby Register Office (or Registrar-attended) > Alfred GRAHAM and Emily I PASCOE > > 1901 Census > RG13/3402 folio 147 page 31 > 21 Silverlea Avenue, Liscard, Cheshire > Alfred GRAHAM, 25, greengrocer, LAN Liverpool > Emily I, wife, 23, LAN Liverpool > John GRAHAM, brother, U, 22, greengrocer, LAN Liverpool > > Hope this helps > > Regards > Gordon > >>Hello everyone, >>I'm afraid I used to "Lurk" for a while, then got into research on my >>Better >halfs Scottish Ancestry, now a few years later I feel I must try >>to >>get to grips >with my JONES and EVANS lines. >>I am the Great Grandson of William JONES c1828, Shrewsbury, and >> >Elizabeth EVANS 1836, New Brighton. They married 15-3-1864, St. >Pauls, >>Seacombe. >>I am also interested in WILLIAMS, through Cicely JONES 1869, Daur. of >> >William and Elizabeth, who married Hugh Warren WILLIAMS, 17-2->1892, at >>Bidston Parish Church. >>Also I have connections to Alfred, and John GRAHAM, who in 1901 I >believe >>had a Greengrocers business in Liscard or thereabouts. >>I look forward to any replies. >>Walter Jones. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Elsie, I see your mail has come through to the list now - have you changed the e-mail address you were writing from before? I am sending to the list to make sure it is working now - sorry folks Marged Sorry about this,but seem to be having problems with this list. Elsie Mcleod. Auck; NZ

Hi Christine, I'll check the List archives. I should have thought of that earlier. Regards, Yvonne > Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 22:41:56 -0000 From: "Christine Cunningham" <chriscunningham@ntlworld.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Thomas DODD/Mary Jane SHERLOCK To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Yvonne, I think I helped you last year with this, happy to again if you don't get help from others. A bit snowed under myself at the moment. Would help if you replied with specific lookups you need without the narrative, save me time? Christine <

Listers I've been a bit remiss in not sending this mail to the list before. Apologies Due to ill health and other factors I've decided to give up my Rootsweb lists I wanted to hand them over to someone who would look after them I can't think of anyone better than Marged to take over this list, she is already building it up into something good I've known Marged for a number of years and I know that she is a very fair, friendly and knowedgable person. Many of you know her from other lists and communities and are already aware of these qualities of course :-) So a big thank you to Marged for taking over the reins and to all the listers old and new who have contributed and helped out on this list over the years I'll still pop in now and then when I'm back in the swing of things Tar ra for now Caryl Williams

Caryl, sorry to hear you haven't been well and I hope that you get to feeling better soon! :) Congrats, Marged! I know Marged also and she is a wonderful choice! :) Lainee At 05:15 AM 11/20/2006, you wrote: >Listers > >I've been a bit remiss in not sending this mail to the list before. Apologies > >Due to ill health and other factors I've decided to give up my Rootsweb lists >I wanted to hand them over to someone who would look after them > >I can't think of anyone better than Marged to take over this list, she is >already building it up into something good >I've known Marged for a number of years and I know that she is a very fair, >friendly and knowedgable person. Many of you know her from other lists and >communities and are already aware of these qualities of course :-) > >So a big thank you to Marged for taking over the reins and to all the >listers old and new who have contributed and helped out on this list >over the years > >I'll still pop in now and then when I'm back in the swing of things > >Tar ra for now > >Caryl Williams

Hi Yvonne >Peter Dodd and Alice Hughes (married where and when?). I have it as 30 December 1855 in Liverpool St Peter. >Peter Dodd died very soon after Thomas' birth in an accident in Liverpool. I have his burial 15 February 1857 in Bidston St Oswald. >Nany Dodd ca 1893 Ida Nannie DODD b1892 (Cheshire BMD) >Harold Walter Dodd ca 1900 Confirmed as 1900 (Cheshire BMD) >I think that Mary Jane Dodd died about 1899 According to Hoylake Holy Trinity MI's she died on 4 August 1898 >Thomas Dodd re-married twice more. There should be another child as he > >had nine in total. Can't help with any of this, I'm afraid, other than to comment that Thomas is shown as married in 1901 but no wife with him in the Census. Regards Gordon From: "Yvonne Purdy" <von@yvonnepurdy.free-online.co.uk> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 7:37 PM Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Thomas DODD/Mary Jane SHERLOCK > Hi all, > > I'm flogging on, trying to update details on Family Tree Maker Programme, > and have realised I've lost a fair bit of information on my DODD family > line > when my computer crashed last year. (I've learned, tho, and now use an > external memory stick to back up the file), but need to re-find my info. > > I would welcome any additional details on this line. > > Thomas Dodd (famous coxswain of the Hoylake Lifeboat), (my second cousin 3 > x > removed), was born abt. 1857 in Liverpool, son of Peter Dodd and Alice > Hughes (married where and when?). Peter Dodd died very soon after Thomas' > birth in an accident in Liverpool. > > Alice Hughes was the daughter of Richard Hughes and Nancy (Anne) Silcock. > Her sister Jane Silcock is my 3 x gt. grandmother. Richard Hughes is also > my 3 x gt. granduncle. (It's a close family!!) > > Anyhow, my 2 x great aunt Mary Jane Sherlock married her second cousin > Thomas Dodd on 25 April 1879 in Holy Trinity, Hoylake, and had eight > children that I know of, all born Hoose/Hoylake, Wirral. > > Alice Margaret Dodd ca 1880 > Evelyn E. Dodd ca 1882 > Henrietta Dodd ca 1886 > Martha Amy Dodd ca 1887 > Arthur T. Dodd ca 1888 > Wilhelmina Dodd ca 1890 > Nany Dodd ca 1893 > Harold Walter Dodd ca 1900 > > I think that Mary Jane Dodd died about 1899, and Thomas Dodd re-married > twice more. There should be another child as he had nine in total. > > I have a newspaper report of his death and funeral in 1916. > > Any additional details would be appreciated, and it would be great to hear > from anyone researching/descended from this family. > > Best regards, > Yvonne >

Hello William, I've got your "Tree" thanks, my Graham tree is not as complete as yours as yet, so there are names in yours I don't recognise, but I've not been able to take it all in as yet, (I'm needing my bed, time here now, is 0019am). Your starter in Ireland, is different to mine, I have a Thomas B1790, in Scotland, but, that may not be 100 percent accurate, I'll to try getting what I have to you, then we can compare notes? but it looks as though we are more or less on the same track. Thanks for making contact, I hope we can get it all connected. Regards, Walter, Scotland. William <wgra0331@bigpond.net.au> wrote: Hi Walter Re the correspondence between yourself and Gordon Evans. I have the above ALFRED in my tree descended from JOHN GRAHAM 1876 (Ireland) Relevant tree has been sent offlist for you information Regards,William in Adelaide South Australia Some of my names :- Curry (and Variants) Liverpool,Walton on the Hill,Fazackerly Ashcroft - Bickerstaffe Graham - Everton Standish - Liverpool Redrup - from 1857 (Bunbury Cheshire to Buckinghamshire) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi William Goes to show the value of posting full census information when you're trying to "help" someone? Had I simply said "image sent off-list" no-one would have been any the wiser that I might have got the wrong family. :-) Regards Gordon From: "William" <wgra0331@bigpond.net.au> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 11:25 PM Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] ALFRED GRAHAM >Hi Walter >Re the correspondence between yourself and Gordon Evans. >I have the above ALFRED in my tree descended from JOHN GRAHAM >1876 >(Ireland) >Relevant tree has been sent offlist for you information >Regards,William in Adelaide South Australia

Yvonne, I think I helped you last year with this, happy to again if you don't get help from others. A bit snowed under myself at the moment. Would help if you replied with specific lookups you need without the narrative, save me time? Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yvonne Purdy" <von@yvonnepurdy.free-online.co.uk> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 7:37 PM Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Thomas DODD/Mary Jane SHERLOCK > Hi all, > > I'm flogging on, trying to update details on Family Tree Maker Programme, > and have realised I've lost a fair bit of information on my DODD family > line > when my computer crashed last year. (I've learned, tho, and now use an > external memory stick to back up the file), but need to re-find my info. > > I would welcome any additional details on this line. > > Thomas Dodd (famous coxswain of the Hoylake Lifeboat), (my second cousin 3 > x > removed), was born abt. 1857 in Liverpool, son of Peter Dodd and Alice > Hughes (married where and when?). Peter Dodd died very soon after Thomas' > birth in an accident in Liverpool. > > Alice Hughes was the daughter of Richard Hughes and Nancy (Anne) Silcock. > Her sister Jane Silcock is my 3 x gt. grandmother. Richard Hughes is also > my 3 x gt. granduncle. (It's a close family!!) > > Anyhow, my 2 x great aunt Mary Jane Sherlock married her second cousin > Thomas Dodd on 25 April 1879 in Holy Trinity, Hoylake, and had eight > children that I know of, all born Hoose/Hoylake, Wirral. > > Alice Margaret Dodd ca 1880 > Evelyn E. Dodd ca 1882 > Henrietta Dodd ca 1886 > Martha Amy Dodd ca 1887 > Arthur T. Dodd ca 1888 > Wilhelmina Dodd ca 1890 > Nany Dodd ca 1893 > Harold Walter Dodd ca 1900 > > I think that Mary Jane Dodd died about 1899, and Thomas Dodd re-married > twice more. There should be another child as he had nine in total. > > I have a newspaper report of his death and funeral in 1916. > > Any additional details would be appreciated, and it would be great to hear > from anyone researching/descended from this family. > > Best regards, > Yvonne > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MERSEYSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Janet >In searching for KIRKPATRICK I didnt ever explain fully that I dont have >a >relationship with them. Whether you'd explained it or not I had in fact worked this out for myself, which is why I said in my post of 18 November (16:57) that you and I had come CLOSE to a connection, not that we had one. How very different it would have been if the 35 year-old Glenbervie (Kincardineshire) born Alexander SHERRATT living at Howbury Barn, Ocle Pychard in Herefordshire who in April 1857 reported to the Bromyard Registrar the death of a 35 year-old Glenbervie-born Alexander SHERRATT living at Howbury Barn, Ocle Pychard in Herefordshire had been the other way around - you and I would have been 4th cousins or suchlike. :-) You said in your post that you thought the odds of this happening would have been quite short. If I were a betting man (which I'm not) I'd have wanted at least a million to one! I'd have thought any Insurance Claims Investigator would have taken a very long, hard look at the paperwork too! Have you perhaps thought of sending the death certificate to the Guinness Book of Records, or of having it framed and hung in a museum somewhere? Gordon From: <wightway@tiscali.co.uk> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] MY NAMES >Gordon: >In searching for KIRKPATRICK I didnt ever explain fully that I dont have >a >relationship with them. I am trying to link the KIRKPATRICKs with the >SHERRATT line into which they married with my Gt Gt Grandmother's >line >Janet From: "Janet" <wightway@tiscali.co.uk> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Result. Free >I thought you might be interested in what is contained in the death >certificate. It's beautifully written, and quite clear. The identity of >the Informant however, is identical to the deceased; both Alexander >Sherratt, both of the same age, both of the same address. I would think >the odds of that happening are quite short. >Janet From: "Janet" < wightway@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Free Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 10:42:55 -0000 I am looking for a death in Herefordshire, England, April 1857 of one Alexander Sherret aged 35 so if anyone has a free account I should be eternally grateful if you might do me a look up Janet

Hello Cathy, BELL Family Charlie Stuart Bell m Martha Disley 2 August, 1920, Liverpool at St Polycarp, Netherfield Road., North Everton Charlie Bell lived at 63 Gordon Street and was a carter. His age at time of marriage 20 yr's old. He was named after his father Charles Stuart Bell. Martha Disley lived at 61 Gordon Street, no occupation. She was 20 yr's old when married. Her parents were Richard Miles Henry Disley and Bridget Chapman from Liverpool. I know of one son George Bell but do not have any additional information on the family or other children. >From family information I believe that she work with her sisters at the Hartley Jam Works. My Quinn family names are: John Quinn m Bridget Kelly (no other information) Son Thomas Quinn below. Have not found other children. Thomas Quinn b 15 Feb, 1855, m Isabella Grier, b 21 Dec 1853 Marriage 25 Dec, 1874, Parish Church Parish of Liverpool Residence 28 Jenkinson Street, Liverpool, England Children; Isabella, Annie, Michael, Margaret, Anthony and Catherine Anthony Quinn b 14 July, 1892 m Ellen Disley b 12 Dec, 1896. Marriage 18 Sept, 1915 Anthony Quinn residence at the time of marriage was 26 Clifton Street, Everton, Liverpool, England. Ellen Disley residence at the time of marriage was 61 Gordon Street, Everton, Liverpool, England. Marriage solemnized at The Register Office. District of West Derby, in the County of Liverpool, England prior to going to war. Present at the marriage was Edward Bradshaw and Annie Bradshaw. Please let me know if any of this information helps. Regards, Marge in Bridgeport, CT USA

Hi all, I'm flogging on, trying to update details on Family Tree Maker Programme, and have realised I've lost a fair bit of information on my DODD family line when my computer crashed last year. (I've learned, tho, and now use an external memory stick to back up the file), but need to re-find my info. I would welcome any additional details on this line. Thomas Dodd (famous coxswain of the Hoylake Lifeboat), (my second cousin 3 x removed), was born abt. 1857 in Liverpool, son of Peter Dodd and Alice Hughes (married where and when?). Peter Dodd died very soon after Thomas' birth in an accident in Liverpool. Alice Hughes was the daughter of Richard Hughes and Nancy (Anne) Silcock. Her sister Jane Silcock is my 3 x gt. grandmother. Richard Hughes is also my 3 x gt. granduncle. (It's a close family!!) Anyhow, my 2 x great aunt Mary Jane Sherlock married her second cousin Thomas Dodd on 25 April 1879 in Holy Trinity, Hoylake, and had eight children that I know of, all born Hoose/Hoylake, Wirral. Alice Margaret Dodd ca 1880 Evelyn E. Dodd ca 1882 Henrietta Dodd ca 1886 Martha Amy Dodd ca 1887 Arthur T. Dodd ca 1888 Wilhelmina Dodd ca 1890 Nany Dodd ca 1893 Harold Walter Dodd ca 1900 I think that Mary Jane Dodd died about 1899, and Thomas Dodd re-married twice more. There should be another child as he had nine in total. I have a newspaper report of his death and funeral in 1916. Any additional details would be appreciated, and it would be great to hear from anyone researching/descended from this family. Best regards, Yvonne

Hello Gordon, Cousin. Sorry, I meant to remove the GRAHAM part before sending, but forgot, and obviously you've been left to some extra work, for which I must say Thank you, as I had quite a bit of it, but not all, so all your work was not in vain. I notice we were just about 11/4 minutes apart with our Mails there Eh? great minds think alike? or the other one?? I'd better get this away in case you beat me again, speak again soon. Regards, Walter, Scotland. Gordon Evans <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> wrote: Hello again Walter (cousin) >Also I have connections to Alfred, and John GRAHAM, who in 1901 I >believe >had a Greengrocers business in Liscard or thereabouts. Not sure exactly what it is you're seeking here - contact with present-day descendants or info going backwards from 1901? They're not in my family tree, I'm afraid, but their genealogy appears to be as follows :- Marriage 1875 Holy Trinity, Walton Breck Road, Liverpool Albert GRAHAM and Margaret KINLEY 1881 Census RG11/3669 folio 8 page 10 93 St Domingo Road, Everton Albert GRAHAM, 28, ship joiner, LAN Liverpool Margaret, wife, 26, LAN Liverpool Alfred, son, 5, LAN Liverpool William, son, 4, LAN Liverpool John, son, 3, LAN Liverpool Albert, son, 9 months, LAN Liverpool The couple had a daughter Ellen before Margaret (Kinley) GRAHAM died in 1888 aged 33. Marriage 1890 Kirkdale St Mary Albert GRAHAM and Emma WOODS (probly a widow) 1891 Census RG12/2952 folio 115 page 23 95 Seacome Street, Everton Albert GRAHAM, 38, joiner, LAN Liverpool Emma, wife, 38, LAN Liverpool Alfred, son, 15, boilermaker, LAN Liverpool William, son, 14, LAN Liverpool John, son, 12, LAN Liverpool Albert E, son, 10, LAN Liverpool Ellen, daur, 6, LAN Liverpool Frances, daur, 5 months, LAN Liverpool Emma WOODS, step-daur, 15, LAN Liverpool Thomas, step-son, 10, LAN Liverpool Elizabeth ANDERTON, sister-in-law, U, 30, LAN Liverpool Marriage 1899 West Derby Register Office (or Registrar-attended) Alfred GRAHAM and Emily I PASCOE 1901 Census RG13/3402 folio 147 page 31 21 Silverlea Avenue, Liscard, Cheshire Alfred GRAHAM, 25, greengrocer, LAN Liverpool Emily I, wife, 23, LAN Liverpool John GRAHAM, brother, U, 22, greengrocer, LAN Liverpool Hope this helps Regards Gordon

Hello Gordon, Thank you very much for the Info:- you passed on to me, it is very much appreciated. I seem to be surrounded by "Lifeboat" people, I feel as though I am stood astride the Mersey, with one foot in the Wirral, and the other in Formby, my Mum was an AINDOW through my G'Dad Joseph, who was born in Formby in 1875. It is rather a nice feeling too, I've traced my AINDOWS back to the very late 1500's. and if you are happy to pass on anything you have on your line, I would be very happy to accept your offer. I shall leave it there for now so that I can get this away to you, and I'm looking forward to next. Regards, Walter, Scotland. Gordon Evans <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> wrote: Hello Walter As I believe I mentioned to you when we first discussed this branch of your family several years ago you and I are in fact 3rd cousins, your great-grandmother Elizabeth EVANS (b1836 New Brighton) being a full sister to my great-grandfather William EVANS (b1830 New Brighton). Both were children of John EVANS (b1800 Little Meols) and Agnes HUTCHINSON (b1803 Broughton-in-Furness, Lancashire) who were married in Wallasey St Hilary on 25 September 1825. John & Agnes EVANS' full brood was as follows :- 1826 Mary Anne (m Samuel POSTON 1864) 1828 Isabella (spinster) 1830 William (m Sarah CAMPBELL ????) (my great-grandfather) 1832 John (m Hannah COCKRELL 1858) 1834 Agnes (spinster) 1836 Elizabeth (m William JONES 1864) (your great-grandmother) 1838 Joseph (m Elizabeth NIXON 1865) 1840 Edward (d Calcutta 1857 aged 16) 1844 Eliza (d 1844) 1846 Eliza (m Charles Lemuel GOODWIN 1871) 1847 Jane (m John Price WILLIAMS 1891) John EVANS (b1800 Little Meols) was a son of William EVANS (b1775 Liverpool) and Nancy JONES (b 1880 Great Meols) who were married in Liverpool St Nicholas on 8 January 1799. William & Nancy EVANS' full brood was :- 1799 Mary Ann (m William JOHNSON 1836) 1800 John (m Agnes HUTCHINSON 1825) 1803 Thomas (m Ellen LEDSHAM 1827) 1804 George (m Ann GRIFFITHS 1830) 1808 Peter (m Ann HARRIS 1839) 1809 William (m Margaret Elizabeth CALLISTER 1836) 1811 Henry (m Barbara LEDDER 1831) 1814 Elizabeth (m Richard SHERLOCK 1832) 1816 David (bachelor) The first 4 children were all born in Little Meols, the last 5 in New Brighton. Thomas EVANS (b1803) was for many years coxswain/master of the Magazines (later the New Brighton) Lifeboat. George, Peter, William and David all became Liverpool Pilots, George being drowned when he slipped whilst transferring vessels in January 1849. William EVANS (b1775 Liverpool) was a beer-seller in the 1841 Census and in a will dated 1837 gave his address as The Mount Tavern, Liscard. His eldest son, my 2g-grandfather John EVANS (yours too, of course) was licensee of the Little Brighton Inn in Liscard from 1851 until his death in 1864, but I haven't as yet been able to establish whether this was the Mount Tavern re-named or a different establishment altogether. The licence of the Little Brighton (also known as the Little Jinny after the singer Jenny Lind whos' supposed to have once stopped there) appears to have been transferred after John's death to his son-in-law (your great-grandfather) Walter JONES who I have in my tree as born 22 October 1827 in Bicton Heath, Salop. I can take this EVANS line back to a marriage in Burton St Nicholas on 26 February 1695 should you be interested, and can link it via a marriage to a SHERLOCK line going back into the 1500's. Will write to you further off-list tomorrow. Regards Gordon

Hello again Walter (cousin) >Also I have connections to Alfred, and John GRAHAM, who in 1901 I >believe >had a Greengrocers business in Liscard or thereabouts. Not sure exactly what it is you're seeking here - contact with present-day descendants or info going backwards from 1901? They're not in my family tree, I'm afraid, but their genealogy appears to be as follows :- Marriage 1875 Holy Trinity, Walton Breck Road, Liverpool Albert GRAHAM and Margaret KINLEY 1881 Census RG11/3669 folio 8 page 10 93 St Domingo Road, Everton Albert GRAHAM, 28, ship joiner, LAN Liverpool Margaret, wife, 26, LAN Liverpool Alfred, son, 5, LAN Liverpool William, son, 4, LAN Liverpool John, son, 3, LAN Liverpool Albert, son, 9 months, LAN Liverpool The couple had a daughter Ellen before Margaret (Kinley) GRAHAM died in 1888 aged 33. Marriage 1890 Kirkdale St Mary Albert GRAHAM and Emma WOODS (probly a widow) 1891 Census RG12/2952 folio 115 page 23 95 Seacome Street, Everton Albert GRAHAM, 38, joiner, LAN Liverpool Emma, wife, 38, LAN Liverpool Alfred, son, 15, boilermaker, LAN Liverpool William, son, 14, LAN Liverpool John, son, 12, LAN Liverpool Albert E, son, 10, LAN Liverpool Ellen, daur, 6, LAN Liverpool Frances, daur, 5 months, LAN Liverpool Emma WOODS, step-daur, 15, LAN Liverpool Thomas, step-son, 10, LAN Liverpool Elizabeth ANDERTON, sister-in-law, U, 30, LAN Liverpool Marriage 1899 West Derby Register Office (or Registrar-attended) Alfred GRAHAM and Emily I PASCOE 1901 Census RG13/3402 folio 147 page 31 21 Silverlea Avenue, Liscard, Cheshire Alfred GRAHAM, 25, greengrocer, LAN Liverpool Emily I, wife, 23, LAN Liverpool John GRAHAM, brother, U, 22, greengrocer, LAN Liverpool Hope this helps Regards Gordon >Hello everyone, >I'm afraid I used to "Lurk" for a while, then got into research on my >Better >halfs Scottish Ancestry, now a few years later I feel I must try to >get to grips >with my JONES and EVANS lines. >I am the Great Grandson of William JONES c1828, Shrewsbury, and > >Elizabeth EVANS 1836, New Brighton. They married 15-3-1864, St. >Pauls, >Seacombe. >I am also interested in WILLIAMS, through Cicely JONES 1869, Daur. of > >William and Elizabeth, who married Hugh Warren WILLIAMS, 17-2->1892, at >Bidston Parish Church. >Also I have connections to Alfred, and John GRAHAM, who in 1901 I >believe >had a Greengrocers business in Liscard or thereabouts. >I look forward to any replies. >Walter Jones.

I live 15 miles from the Wirral. Have never in my life referred to it as anything but THE Wirral. It just doesn't roll off the tongue. However, if I were addressing an envelope, I would put "Wirral". Marged >Is it possible that reference to Wirral as "The Wirral" is an abbreviation >for The Wirral Peninsula. It most certainly is possible, but can I perhaps invite the corollary of IBERIA, which is also a peninsula? If you want make reference to "the Iberian peninsula" you HAVE to use all three words. It would make no sense to say merely "the Iberia" or even "the Iberian". If you want to make reference to Iberia as a geographical location you just say "Iberia" without any "the" in front of it? As with Iberia, so with Wirral? :-) PS to Margaret in Australia (see below). Your statement three lines from the end surely contradicts everything you said before it? (With tongue firmly in cheek) Regards Gordon From: "margaret davies" <maglez@bigpond.com> To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 7:51 AM Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] The Wirral >My Dear Gordon!!!!The Wirral short for The Wirral Peninsula. I was born >and brought up on THE Wirral and deliberately use the THE word to >denote >for me THE most important place in my world!! >Jackie I'm sure meant The names 'in Wirral' not 'the Wirral' names. Subtle >difference I believe!! Be like me Jackie and call it The Wirral if that >is >what you want!! >I still address letters to my sister in Wirral, Cheshire, England. Always >have and always will! Just my little protest! However she is glad of the >transport arrangements like so many others. Margaret in Australia

Janet wrote :- >Is it possible that reference to Wirral as "The Wirral" is an abbreviation >for The Wirral Peninsula. It most certainly is possible, but can I perhaps invite the corollary of IBERIA, which is also a peninsula? If you want make reference to "the Iberian peninsula" you HAVE to use all three words. It would make no sense to say merely "the Iberia" or even "the Iberian". If you want to make reference to Iberia as a geographical location you just say "Iberia" without any "the" in front of it? As with Iberia, so with Wirral? :-) PS to Margaret in Australia (see below). Your statement three lines from the end surely contradicts everything you said before it? (With tongue firmly in cheek) Regards Gordon From: "margaret davies" <maglez@bigpond.com> To: <ENG-MERSEYSIDE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 7:51 AM Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] The Wirral >My Dear Gordon!!!!The Wirral short for The Wirral Peninsula. I was born >and brought up on THE Wirral and deliberately use the THE word to >denote >for me THE most important place in my world!! >Jackie I'm sure meant The names 'in Wirral' not 'the Wirral' names. Subtle >difference I believe!! Be like me Jackie and call it The Wirral if that >is >what you want!! >I still address letters to my sister in Wirral, Cheshire, England. Always >have and always will! Just my little protest! However she is glad of the >transport arrangements like so many others. Margaret in Australia

Wondering if a kind hearted person might be able to visit Birkenhead library to look up the electoral rolls. I am looking for entries in the region of 1900 - 1910.

Hello Lainee, Thank you so very much for your help. I think this is what I have done. I don't recall seeing Wirral on any of my certificates. these places all seem to be in Wirral. Which made me wonder. Will have to do some back tracking and check things more closely. Much appreciation . Pat and Bill mayo-gal@telus.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lainee Denton-Jones" <lainee@earthlink.net> To: <eng-merseyside@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Pat's confused place entrees help please. > Pat, > > Not sure about your place names, etc...but since boundaries changed > over time, then I entered where the location was at the time they > were born...it could have changed by the time they married so I put > what it was called when they married...same thing when they > died. Can't go by modern day maps...I just enter it according to the > Parish Registers found in. > > Hope this helps some, > > Lainee > > At 12:36 PM 11/19/2006, you wrote: > >>Hello List, >>As we are on this topic " Wirral " could I please have some help putting >>entrees in my family tree. And how the places should be entered. >>I have many places which I likely have entered wrong. And would truly like >>to be corrected. I have entered Great Meolse, Hoylake, Cheshire. England. >>another one Hoose ( Hoylake ) West Kirby, England. another Hoose, Wirral, >>Cheshire. . another Greasby, Wirral, Cheshire. another Frankby, Wirral, >>Cheshire. No consistency as I am always lost when entering. >>Cheers for now, >>Pat and Bill >>mayo-gal@telus.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.7/538 - Release Date: 18/11/2006