Thank you for remembering to take a look for the Cross, Gordon. I am amazed that the hoardings are still in place in this 2008 Year of Capital of Culture - thought at least Church Street would be cleared up by now. I did hear that the one-time HMV store where the work is going on is to be an entrance to the new shopping centre in Whitechapel, but not sure if this is true. My sister was married at St John's Knotty Ash, and my mother lived right behind the Church, so I just have heard the bell many many times. Marged Had a peek through the hoardings last Saturday. No sign of the paving flag with the brass cross in it, so looks like we're going to have to wait until the hoardings come down to see what's become of it. :-( Incidentally I stumbled across this recently on the Liverpool Record Office's site :- 'Church of St. John the Evangelist, Knotty Ash. The church was built with funds raised by Adam Dugdale, a Manchester merchant, at a cost of £5500. It was consecrated on 18th February 1836 by John Bird Sumner, Bishop of Chester. The bell, however, dates from 1707 and was originally at St. Peter's, Church Street'. So at least one other memento of old St Peter's lives on. :-) Regards Gordon From: "Marged" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 12:30 PM Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] St Peter's Church Cross >Mention of St Peter's in Gordon's mail prompts me to wonder if the brass >Cross is still in place in the paving flag outside what was most recently >the HMV store in Church Street? >I have tried to look each time I've been to Liverpool, but it's always been >boarded off and covered with builders' walk boards. >Someone did tell me that instead of the store being gutted and re-fitted, >it's going to be the entrance through to the new shopping area in Paradise >Street. >Can anyone confirm or otherwise about both the Cross and the entrance? >Marged ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Marged Had a peek through the hoardings last Saturday. No sign of the paving flag with the brass cross in it, so looks like we're going to have to wait until the hoardings come down to see what's become of it. :-( Incidentally I stumbled across this recently on the Liverpool Record Office's site :- 'Church of St. John the Evangelist, Knotty Ash. The church was built with funds raised by Adam Dugdale, a Manchester merchant, at a cost of £5500. It was consecrated on 18th February 1836 by John Bird Sumner, Bishop of Chester. The bell, however, dates from 1707 and was originally at St. Peter's, Church Street'. So at least one other memento of old St Peter's lives on. :-) Regards Gordon From: "Marged" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 12:30 PM Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] St Peter's Church Cross >Mention of St Peter's in Gordon's mail prompts me to wonder if the brass >Cross is still in place in the paving flag outside what was most recently >the HMV store in Church Street? >I have tried to look each time I've been to Liverpool, but it's always been >boarded off and covered with builders' walk boards. >Someone did tell me that instead of the store being gutted and re-fitted, >it's going to be the entrance through to the new shopping area in Paradise >Street. >Can anyone confirm or otherwise about both the Cross and the entrance? >Marged

Thank you for sending this information Peter - I walked past that cemetery so many times in the 1940s without even noticing it was there! Marged The Jewish cemetery in Deane Road, Kensington is having an open day on the 18th June, according to tonights Echo, page 4. Best Regards, Peter _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000002ukm/direct/01/

1870 Sanderson Ruth, bread baker, 84, Chapel st. Sanderson Ezekiel, dealer in cloth, 1, Fairhurst st. Sanderson George, excise officer. 30, Frederick st.

Hi All, The Jewish cemetery in Deane Road, Kensington is having an open day on the 18th June, according to tonights Echo, page 4. Best Regards, Peter _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000002ukm/direct/01/

from the parish records. Will send anything else off list.......Lesley Baptisms: 22 Nov 1788 St John, Haymarket, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Thos. Sanderson - Son of John Sanderson & Elizth. Born: 23 Oct 1788 Abode: Haymarket Occupation: Joiner Register: Baptisms 1785 - 1800, Page 7, Entry 7 Source: LDS Film 1656195 Baptisms: 13 Mar 1791 St John, Haymarket, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Eliz. Sanderson - Daughter of John Sanderson & Eliz. Born: 5 Feb 1791 Abode: Haymarket Occupation: Joiner Register: Baptisms 1785 - 1800, Page 11, Entry 30 Source: LDS Film 1656195 Baptisms: 4 May 1794 St John, Haymarket, Liverpool, Lancashire, England John Sanderson - Son of John Sanderson & Elizh. Born: 19 Feb 1794 Abode: Dale St Occupation: Joiner Register: Baptisms 1785 - 1800, Page 14, Entry 10 Source: LDS Film 1656195 Marriage: 26 Jun 1825 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Henry Penkett - Cooper of Liverpool Hannah Sanderson - Spinster of Liverpool Married by Banns Register: Marriages 1825, Page 10, Entry 154 Source: LDS Film 168890 Marriage: 2 Jul 1826 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England John Sanderson - Mariner of Liverpool Maria Hawkshaw - WIdow of Liverpool Married by Banns by: Thomas Johnson Curate Register: Marriages 1826, Page 6, Entry 551 Source: LDS Film 1068891 Marriage: 4 Jul 1826 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England WIlliam Byrom - School Master of Liverpool Esther Sanderson - Spinster of Liverpool Married by Licence by: Thomas Johnson MA Curate Register: Marriages 1826, Page 6, Entry 555 Source: LDS Film 1068891 Marriage: 8 Nov 1826 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Richard Sanderson - Watchmaker of Liverpool Catherine Duncan - Spinster of Liverpool Married by Banns by: P. Bulmer Curate Register: Marriages 1826, Page 12, Entry 743 Source: LDS Film 1068891 Marriage: 25 Feb 1833 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Robert Bradley - Labourer of This Parish Ann Sanderson - (X), Spinster of This Parish Witness: John Makinson, (X); Elizabeth Jones, (X) Married by Banns by: John Rufford, Curate Register: Marriages 1831 - 1833, Page 402, Entry 1204 Source: LDS Film 93919 Marriage: 1 Jul 1833 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Richard Sanderson - Butcher of This Parish Mary Jones - Spinster of This Parish Witness: John Key; Mary Hobb Married by Banns by: Jno.Robinson, Ass Curate Register: Marriages 1833 - 1834, Page 61, Entry 181 Source: LDS Film number 93919

Hi Diana. Welcome to the list. I will have a look for you. ttfn Lesley -----Original Message----- From: Diana Pecar Dear sir I have been given your email address as a Liverpool genealogy group who may be able to help me. I live in Sydney Australia but my ancestors on my mother¹s side all came from the Liverpool area and I can only find out what is on the ancestry site. But I would like to see if I can find:

Dear sir I have been given your email address as a Liverpool genealogy group who may be able to help me. I live in Sydney Australia but my ancestors on my mother¹s side all came from the Liverpool area and I can only find out what is on the ancestry site. But I would like to see if I can find: 1. if there are any relatives still living in and around Liverpool. 2. my great great grandparents owned a confectionery business in the second half of the 1800¹s until they migrated and I have been unable to find out anything about the business. 3. Anything on the Sanderson family Some details are: Point 1 Thomas (33) & Elizabeth (32) Chapman ­ 1851 England Census shows them living at 8 James St, Liverpool. Their children were: Clara (9), Heywood (8), Elizabeth (7), Louise (5), Stanley (2) and Edith (a few mnths). Thomas is a fruit merchant, born in Manchester c1818. In 1861 the family lived at 118 Duke St, Liverpool and by 1871 they lived in 18 Parkfield Rd, Toxteth Park. My main interest is Heywood who is my great great grandfather. He married Jane Wilson Sanderson in 1867. They had 3 children: Walter Heywood, Edith Maude and Ida. Walter went into the merchant navy and stayed in the UK while Heywood, Jane, Edith and Ida emigrated to New Zealand and then on to Australia. Walter Heywood Chapman married Ellen Jane Davidson in 1892 and in the 1901 Census was aged 33, 3rd Mate in Steamer, living at 462 Hawthorne Rd, Bootle Cum Linacre, Liverpool. At that stage they had two daughters, Mary Catharine (7) and Edith J. (5). I believe Mary C. Chapman married a Pearson in West Derby in 1919 and Edith married either an Alfred List in Hinckley in 1918 or a John B Parry in West Derby in 1925 (I¹m not sure at this stage which one it is). I have also found a son, Walter Heywood Chapman, born in 1904 in Ormskirk, Lancashire. Would there be any relatives of Walter Heywood Chapman snr left in and around Liverpool that you would know of? Point 2 Heywood Chapman took over his father¹s confectionery business in the 1860¹s. The 1961 Census states that he employed 2 men, 6 women, 1 girl and 1 boy so it sounds like a fairly large business. Heywood migrated to New Zealand in 1876 and his wife Jane took over running the business until she too migrated to NZ in 1885. We do not know what happened to the business and any information would be great. Point 3 Jane Wilson Chapman (nee Sanderson) was born on 25th March 1845 at 47 Great Charlotte St, Liverpool. Her father was John Sanderson (wine merchant), born c1820 in Scotland, and her mother was Catherine Sanderson (nee Lyon), born c1823 in Liverpool. In the 1851, the family was living at 4 Adelaide Bldgs, 8 Ranelagh Pl, Liverpool ­ John was a House Agent & Bed Manufacturer. There was a son, Lord John who was born 1847 in Manchester and I believe he died in 1900, aged 53. I don¹t have many other details of the Sanderson¹s and any help would be appreciated. Are you able to help please? Regards Diana Pecar Sydney, Australia

Whoops! ! ! Sorry everybody Ann -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jane Marriott Sent: Monday, 2 June 2008 7:55 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] great pictures Lovely photos, but you left an 'r' out of the site address. Should be www.flickr.com/photos/thenorthshore Best wishes, Jane -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ann Sent: 02 June 2008 10:05 To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] great pictures Hi Great picture on this site::::-----------www.flick.com/photos/thenorthshore Regards Ann Higginson:____ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.4/1478 - Release Date: 02/06/2008 07:12 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.4/1478 - Release Date: 02/06/2008 07:12 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Yes such lovely colours. Lesley -----Original Message----- From: Ann Hi Great picture on this site::::-----------www.flickr.com/photos/thenorthshore Regards Ann Higginson:____

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This is so sad but gives a picture of life in those times ----- Original Message ----- From: Merseyside Soho St 1852 On new snippets page Please support free sites http://www.old-merseytimes.co.uk/ Jane

Hi there one and all, I do not profess to be a football fan, but I do know of one story about Dixie Dean. He apparently rode a motorbike from Chester towards Hope (near Wrexham) and cut a 90 degree bend up without batting an eyelid, by all accounts he missed it completely and carried on as though nothing had happened. It could be just a tall tale, but you never know. I do, however know that he kept a pub in Chester city centre called "The Dublin Packet" which is still going today and is located on the Town Hall. http://www.chesterwiki.com/Dublin_Packet I hope that this helps Regards Denise Lawrence-Jones

I believe some of the papers of this union are in the archive at Warwick University with TGWU papers http://www.warwick.ac.uk/services/library/mrc/ead/126umb.htm Anne On 27 May 2008, at 10:27, Mike Nolan wrote: > A photo depicting 3 union officials messrs, Nolan, Hanratty and > Hands has recently come into my possession. > I believe union records are very sparse and I'd like to get an > approximate date for the photo. > > Any help much appreciated and copies forwarded should you require one. > > Mike

A photo depicting 3 union officials messrs, Nolan, Hanratty and Hands has recently come into my possession. I believe union records are very sparse and I'd like to get an approximate date for the photo. Any help much appreciated and copies forwarded should you require one. Mike

The GRO index shows a marriage in the Dec quarter of 1943 at Crosby between Frank W D SHELDRAKE and Ida Emily WOODCOCK. I have Frank on the 1901 census and the GRO index for his birth. Can anyone tell me anything about any children Frank and Ida may have had. David

Sorry, I missed out the 1901 Census address in my earlier post :- 49 Lansdowne Road, Birkenhead. Dixie's family tree looks as though it can be taken back further thus :- 1871 Census RG10/3727 folio 79 page 63 Christleton Road, Great Boughton, Chester William BODDEY, 47, ironmonger's porter, YKS Thirsk Sarah, wife, 48, YKS Thirsk Margaret, daur, U, 20, YKS Thirsk John, son, U, 18, market gardener, CHS Huntington Richard, son, U, 18, market gardener, CHS Huntington Joseph, son, 12, CHS Christleton Sarah, daur, 10, CHS Christleton Emily E, daur, 4, CHS Christleton William, grandson, 1, LAN Manchester Thomas DEAN, son-in-law, M, 22, market gardener, CHS Boughton * Mary, daur, M, 22, YKS Thirsk Sarah A, grandaur, 4 months, CHS Chrsitleton The above Thomas DEAN's parents & siblings in the same (1871) Census :- RG10/3727 folio 60 page 26 17 Chapel Lane, Great Boughton, Chester James DEAN, 50, labourer, DBY Dalbury Lees ** Mary, wife, 42, CHS Chester Mary, daur, 16, CHS Chester James, son, 15, CHS Chester John, son, 10, CHS Chester George, son, 9, CHS Chester Annie, daur, 7, CHS Chester Sarah, daur, 3, CHS Chester Emily, daur, CHS Chester 1861 Census RG9/2628 folio 152 page 19 14 Chapel Lane, Great Boughton, Chester James DEAN, 41, labourer, DBY Dalbury ** Mary, wife, 32, CHS Great Broughton Thomas, son, 12, CHS Great Boughton * Elizabeth, daur, 10, CHS Great Boughton Mary, daur, 7, CHS Great Boughton James, son, 4, CHS Great Boughton John, son, 2 months, CHS Great Boughton 1851 Census HO 107/2171 folio 465 page 23 Chapel Lane, Great Boughton, Chester James DEAN, 28, gardener, DBY Lees ** Mary, wife, 25, CHS Great Boughton Thomas, son, 2, CHS Great Boughton * (Dixie's grandfather) Elizabeth, daur, 1, CHS Great Boughton Marriage on Cheshire BMD :- 1848 Chester St Oswald James DEAN and Mary LEDSHAM (Dixies great-grandparents) Baptisms in Dalbury Lees, Derbyshire, all children of Thomas and Elizabeth DEAN :- 04 Jul 1813 John 05 Nov 1815 James (died 7 June 1817) 19 Dec 1824 George 19 Dec 1824 James ** (Dixies great-grandfather) 19 Dec 1824 Ann 19 Dec 1824 Dean 06 June 1826 William (died 13 August 1826) 06 June 1826 Jane (died 13 September 1826 Regards Gordon

Hi all, Just wondering if anyone can help me out with Dixie Deans' family tree? I descend from a Jane Ledder, nee Dean who was baptised in 1798 in Wallasey. She was the daughter of Henry Dean. Murray Leonard

Hi Murray As a lifelong Evertonian, and with over 150 DEAN's in my extended family tree, I went down this road some time ago hoping against hope that the great man might prove to be a blood-relative of mine. :-) Researching his family on-line is rather unrewarding, but a major clue lies here :- http://www.oxforddnb.com/public/dnb/31018.html Which leads to this, when Dixie was still just a twinkle in his dad's eye :- 1901 Census RG13/3393 folio 162 page 32 William DEAN, 28, railway engine stoker, CHS Chester Sarah B, wife, 25, CHS Chester Elsie M, daur, 4, CHS Birkenhead Florence M, daur, 1, CHS Birkenhead Sarah A, daur, 1 month, CHS Birkenhead Louise BRETT, sister-in-law, S, 21, cook domestic, CHS Chester Dennis, brother-in-law, 16, railway engine cleaner, CHS Chester Gilbert BERESFORD, boarder, S, 18, railway engine cleaner, CHS Chester And this, to find Dixie's paternal grandmother :- 1891 Census RG12/2863 folio 70 page 24 85 Christleton Road, Chester Mary E DEAN, W, 42, chapel keeper, YKS Thirsk Sarah H, daur, S, 20, mother's help, CHS Chester William, son, 18, railway stoker, CHS Chester John, son, 16, railway engine cleaner, CHS Chester And to find both his paternal grandparents together :- 1881 Census RG11/3557 folio 21 page 40 85 Christleton Road, Chester Thomas DEAN, 33, chapel keeper & gardener, CHS Chester Mary E, wife, 33, YKS Sandhutton Sarah H, daur, 10, CHS Cheshire William, son, 8, CHS Chester John, son, 6, CHS Chester Thomas Henry, son, 4, CHS Chester Chas FLETCHER, lodger, 23, railway porter. Incidentally, you and I are almost certainly related one way or another, since Jane DEAN (b1798 Wallasey) features in my extended family tree. If I'm not mistaken, Jane had an aunt Jenny DEAN (b1757 Wallasey) who married a William GARNER and had a daughter Elizabeth (b1786 Wallasey) who married John EVANS on 1 June 1808 in Wallasey St Hilary? John & Elizabeth (Dean) EVANS' son William (b1810 Seacombe) married, on 17 August 1835 in Liverpool St Nicholas, my first cousin 4 times removed Mary SHERLOCK (b1819 Great Meols). There's also a close association between my EVANS family and the LEDDERs which might be pursuing some time, one of my 7g-grandfather's being a John LEATHER (b1632 Puddington), whose grandaughter Ann LEADER married John EVANS (b1704 Puddington) on 26 February 1739 in Burton St Nicholas. There's a history of the name mutating from the original LEATHER used in South-east Wirral in the early 1600's, via LEEDER and LEADER to the eventual LEDDER in Wallasey by the mid-1700's. I'd be particularly interested to know whether you have any detailed information regarding the parents of Jane DEAN's husband Edward LEDDER, born 1797 in Wallasey? Best wishes Gordon Evans Wirral UK From: "murray leonard" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 11:33 AM Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] William Ralph "Dixie" Dean family tree >Hi all, >Just wondering if anyone can help me out with Dixie Deans' family tree? >I descend from a Jane Ledder, nee Dean who was baptised in 1798 in >Wallasey. She was the daughter of Henry Dean. >Murray Leonard