To John and the List, Since posting my query I have found an interesting piece of information. Findmypast.com has an index of passport applications from 1856 to 1903 but with a few years missing. It claims that this index is of 360,000 applications. This is surely not enough to cover all the people who emigrated in that period. In the notes to the index it states that passports were not mandatory for British travellers until 1914. UK citizens could, therefore, travel from and to the country without one. This raises other questions. Were, perhaps, passports not required at all in that period for travel to and from other parts of the Empire? I don't know that any of my relatives who emigrated to Canada in that period who had a passport. Would there have been benefits in having a passport for frequent travellers? David -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Dobson Sent: 20 August 2008 08:39 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Passports Hi Christine, That UK Government web site is very interesting but doesn't address David's central question - did our ancestors who emigrated during the 19th Century need passports. This is a question that I've had for years with a Cornish mining family at the heart of my research who seemed to spend their time commuting between Cornwall, Australia and New Zealand. Regards ******************************************** * John Dobson * * * * http://www.thedobsons.me.uk * * * ******************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Cunningham" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Passports >I think you will probably find what you need to know here: > http://www.ips.gov.uk/passport/about-history.asp > HTH > Christine > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Railton > Sent: 19 August 2008 11:16 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Passports > > Can anyone tell me about passports? I know that they have been issued for > hundreds of years but I find it hard to imagine that all those who > emigrated > from UK in the 19th century had one. > > I am interested in someone leaving Liverpool for New York in 1889. Would > they have needed a passport? If so, are there any records of passport > applications? > > David > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Christine, That UK Government web site is very interesting but doesn't address David's central question - did our ancestors who emigrated during the 19th Century need passports. This is a question that I've had for years with a Cornish mining family at the heart of my research who seemed to spend their time commuting between Cornwall, Australia and New Zealand. Regards ******************************************** * John Dobson * * * * http://www.thedobsons.me.uk * * * ******************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Cunningham" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Passports >I think you will probably find what you need to know here: > http://www.ips.gov.uk/passport/about-history.asp > HTH > Christine > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Railton > Sent: 19 August 2008 11:16 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Passports > > Can anyone tell me about passports? I know that they have been issued for > hundreds of years but I find it hard to imagine that all those who > emigrated > from UK in the 19th century had one. > > I am interested in someone leaving Liverpool for New York in 1889. Would > they have needed a passport? If so, are there any records of passport > applications? > > David > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

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Hello again, Courtesy of Elizabeth McMillan on another rootsweb list, what looks to a definitive answer to the what the abbreviation 'Jno.' stands for." Jno.(or Jno) is an abbreviation for Johannes, which is the Latin equivalent of John, (NOT Jonathan)." Source: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wewain/Glossary.htm Pete On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:07:27 +0100, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Folks, > Something I've come across several times now and so I don't think its a misprint is the 'abbreviation' 'Jno' where a christian name would be expected. Is this an abbreviation for 'John'? > > Pete

I think you will probably find what you need to know here: http://www.ips.gov.uk/passport/about-history.asp HTH Christine -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Railton Sent: 19 August 2008 11:16 To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Passports Can anyone tell me about passports? I know that they have been issued for hundreds of years but I find it hard to imagine that all those who emigrated from UK in the 19th century had one. I am interested in someone leaving Liverpool for New York in 1889. Would they have needed a passport? If so, are there any records of passport applications? David ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can anyone tell me about passports? I know that they have been issued for hundreds of years but I find it hard to imagine that all those who emigrated from UK in the 19th century had one. I am interested in someone leaving Liverpool for New York in 1889. Would they have needed a passport? If so, are there any records of passport applications? David

Looking for relatives of Walter Heywood CHAPMAN please. Parents were Heywood and Jane Wilson (nee Sanderson) CHAPMAN who migrated to New Zealand in the late 1870's/1880's with their two daughters, Edith Maude and Ida. Around the turn of the century, they then migrated to Australia. Walter Heywood Chapman was born 1868 in Liverpool. In 1891 he was 1st Mate on board "Belle of Arrow" at Cornwall. He married Ellen Jane DAVIDSON in 1892 at Birkenhead - Jane was born c1868 in Woolton. Walter & Ellen had three children: Walter Heywood Chapman (born 1904 in Ormskirk), Mary Catharine Chapman (born c1894 in Liverpool) and Edith I.(or J.) Chapman (born c1896 in Liverpool). The family lived in 1901 at 462 Hawthorne Rd, Bootle Cum Linacre. Walter (snr) was 3rd Mate. Does this ring a bell with anyone??? We would love to make contact with any descendants of Walter and Ellen. Diana

Hi Folks, Something I've come across several times now and so I don't think its a misprint is the 'abbreviation' 'Jno' where a christian name would be expected. Is this an abbreviation for 'John'? Pete

Dear all, I'm trying to track down an old photograph which I would love to see. It's of James RAINFORD and his wife Jane (Hughes) SWIFT, in front of their cottage at Wetstone Lane, West Kirby. Please, does anyone have access to this photograph, or can tell me where I can see it? Kind regards, Yvonne

Regarding Viking DNA, the July issue of Smithsonian Magazine has an article on the Vikings that includes this paragraph: "As time passed, however, not all Scandinavians made it home. After a few generations of fighting with local rulers, by the 11th century some Vikings began adopting the languages and customs of local peoples, even settling in with them in places ranging from Ireland to Russia. Researchers at the universities of Leicester and Nottingham, in England, have recently found that up to half of the DNA from men in northwest England matches Scandinavian genetic types." See http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/raiders-vikings.html?c= y&page=2 You may have to copy-paste this URL to get to the article in the magazine. Betty Pace -- [email protected] ____________________________________________________________ Get the shot you need with a discreet new spy camera. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m1Eqp50eVk711HkYWXOKNgde0cX68ZCZPtYrH50QFtu4XzB/

This message has been forwarded to the list because some of our mail held the name "Chadderton". If any one wishes to reply to it, please do so off list. Marged ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [CHADDERTON] Chadderton Family search This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: VLCHOME Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.chadderton/7.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello my name is Victoria Chadderton, I live in Manchester are you a relative ? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Jones" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Familysearch new search site > Thanks for that Kathy, looks like it could be very useful. > Cheers, Jeff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kathy binns" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 12:30 PM > Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Familysearch new search site > > >> Hi all, >> if, like me you bypass the home page of the LDS website you may have >> missed the link to the prototype search page. The site mentions 'millions >> of new records' I was able to discover some new facts. There does seem >> to be different records available as well as links to 1841 and 1861 >> censuses (pay per view sites) and Ellis Island. It is still under >> development but well worth a visit. You might need to narrow the search >> fields and like most sites it works well with unusual names! >> >> Click on the 'See new prototype' text under 'What's new'' >> >> http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp >> >> >> Happy hunting >> Kathy >> Hoylake >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >

Hi Pete, As David has observed (thank you, David!), another reason could be marriages where the groom takes the bride's surname - although I would have thought that they would be a very small number. But as I am still into the transcription phase of my study and haven't even started deaths or census listings yet, I have to say that these investigations will need to remain firmly on the 'to do' list for the moment - unless I have a need for any particular birth to be investigated further. Actually, at the top of the list will be the need to try to resolve marriages where there were from one to three surnames of the bride or groom mentioned in the index. Les [email protected] wrote: > Les, > Thanks for the reply. Again I too have come across them in what almost amounts to a one name study. Have you investigated any of the family links behind same birth name and maiden name findings and statistically what was the outcome? I'm wondering how far up the to-do list that kind of investigation might need to be. > > Pete > > On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:48:06 +0100, Leslie Bush <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> Hi, >> >> I have come across this many, many times in my one name study. >> >>

Les, Thanks for the reply. Again I too have come across them in what almost amounts to a one name study. Have you investigated any of the family links behind same birth name and maiden name findings and statistically what was the outcome? I'm wondering how far up the to-do list that kind of investigation might need to be. Pete On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:48:06 +0100, Leslie Bush <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > > I have come across this many, many times in my one name study. > > Statistically, from 1911 to 2005, there were 1361 births recorded by the > GRO where the surname of the mother and the mother's maiden surname are > BUSH. In the period 1911 to 1981 (which is as far as I have reached > with my marriage transcriptions), there are just 138 instances of a > BUSH marrying a BUSH. So I am inclined to believe that the bulk of those > 1361 births were illegitimate - in which case, the maiden name and > surname will of course be the same. I cannot readily think of any > explanation other than the two you have already mentioned which would > account for this. > > Les > > [email protected] wrote: >> Hi Folks, >> Something I come across a lot, and it's more easily seen when the transcriptions start giving mmn c1911, is the birth name being the same as the mother's maiden name. I can think of a couple of reason's for this. Obviously a same name marriage, eg a JONES marrying a JONES. The parents being unmarried and the father not wishing to be associated or unknown would be the second reason. >> >> Has anybody come across any other reasons as to why a child would have the mother's maiden name? >> >> Pete >> >> > >------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, I have come across this many, many times in my one name study. Statistically, from 1911 to 2005, there were 1361 births recorded by the GRO where the surname of the mother and the mother's maiden surname are BUSH. In the period 1911 to 1981 (which is as far as I have reached with my marriage transcriptions), there are just 138 instances of a BUSH marrying a BUSH. So I am inclined to believe that the bulk of those 1361 births were illegitimate - in which case, the maiden name and surname will of course be the same. I cannot readily think of any explanation other than the two you have already mentioned which would account for this. Les [email protected] wrote: > Hi Folks, > Something I come across a lot, and it's more easily seen when the transcriptions start giving mmn c1911, is the birth name being the same as the mother's maiden name. I can think of a couple of reason's for this. Obviously a same name marriage, eg a JONES marrying a JONES. The parents being unmarried and the father not wishing to be associated or unknown would be the second reason. > > Has anybody come across any other reasons as to why a child would have the mother's maiden name? > > Pete > >

Hi.... What about a female who marries and the male takes her Maiden Name in marriage? David ----- Original Message ---- From: Leslie Bush <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, 12 August, 2008 4:48:06 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Reasons for birth name being the same as mother's maiden name Hi, I have come across this many, many times in my one name study. Statistically, from 1911 to 2005, there were 1361 births recorded by the GRO where the surname of the mother and the mother's maiden surname are BUSH.  In the period 1911 to 1981 (which is as far as I have reached with my marriage transcriptions), there are just 138 instances of  a BUSH marrying a BUSH. So I am inclined to believe that the bulk of those 1361 births were illegitimate - in which case, the maiden name and surname will of course be the same.  I cannot readily think of any explanation other than the two you have already mentioned which would account for this. Les [email protected] wrote: > Hi Folks, >  Something I come across a lot, and it's more easily seen when the transcriptions start giving mmn c1911, is the birth name being the same as the mother's maiden name. I can think of a couple of reason's for this. Obviously a same name marriage, eg a JONES marrying a JONES. The parents being unmarried and the father not wishing to be associated or unknown would be the second reason. > > Has anybody come across any other reasons as to why a child would have the mother's maiden name? > > Pete > >  ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, if, like me you bypass the home page of the LDS website you may have missed the link to the prototype search page. The site mentions 'millions of new records' I was able to discover some new facts. There does seem to be different records available as well as links to 1841 and 1861 censuses (pay per view sites) and Ellis Island. It is still under development but well worth a visit. You might need to narrow the search fields and like most sites it works well with unusual names! Click on the 'See new prototype' text under 'What's new'' http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp Happy hunting Kathy Hoylake

Hi Folks, Something I come across a lot, and it's more easily seen when the transcriptions start giving mmn c1911, is the birth name being the same as the mother's maiden name. I can think of a couple of reason's for this. Obviously a same name marriage, eg a JONES marrying a JONES. The parents being unmarried and the father not wishing to be associated or unknown would be the second reason. Has anybody come across any other reasons as to why a child would have the mother's maiden name? Pete

Hi, Marged Had a look in the 1901 census - there were 49 NANGLEs in Lancashire! Including teacher Mildred /Mildria living in Kirkdale and teaching at Anfield Rd. Her father was a shopkeeper. Rachel -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marged Sent: 11 August 2008 18:43 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Teachers 1903 liverpool My mother used to work with a lady called Miss Nangle in Lewis's, during WW2. I've never known anyone else with the name. Marged Good morning, all I've just finished transcribing the list of teachers form the 1903 Liverpool Education Committee handbook. This only covers non-denominational schools - nevertheless, there are 1589 in total! Haven't got round to manual instruction centres, yet though. I do have some additional information, like salaries and in some cases promotion dates; if you find someone of interest, please contact me and I will send you the image. Found some surnames I'd not come across before including: PIGHTLING, KNIPE, NANGLE, NISH, NETHERY, TREEBY. Enjoy! Thanks to Marj, Paul GOODMAN, Val GARNER, Lorraine FURLONG, Jane MARRIOTT and Tomas CHRISTIE for their help with this project http://www.liverpool-schools.co.uk/html/1903_handbook.html All the best Rachel ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message