Hi Gordon, Many thanks indeed for taking the trouble to transcribe the 1891 census entries for me. That makes things so much clearer. Best regards, Von

Hi Gordon You fell out with me? Mike ;-) --- On Tue, 2/9/08, Gordon Evans <[email protected]> wrote: From: Gordon Evans <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Joseph and Mary Jane SHERLOCK To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, 2 September, 2008, 12:15 PM Hi again Von The Mary Jane SHERLOCK family features in Ancestry's 1891 Census Index as McMORINE! Some of their transcribers must have very strange eyesight. :-) Gordon >From: "YvonnePurdy" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 11:13 AM >Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Joseph and Mary Jane SHERLOCK > >Hi Gordon, >Many thanks for your detailed reply. Much appreciated. Can you advise me >a little further please. I can't >find this family in 1891 census. Could you possibly give me a reference? >Kind regards, Von ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Hi again Von The Mary Jane SHERLOCK family features in Ancestry's 1891 Census Index as McMORINE! Some of their transcribers must have very strange eyesight. :-) Gordon >From: "YvonnePurdy" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 11:13 AM >Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Joseph and Mary Jane SHERLOCK > >Hi Gordon, >Many thanks for your detailed reply. Much appreciated. Can you advise me >a little further please. I can't >find this family in 1891 census. Could you possibly give me a reference? >Kind regards, Von

Hi Von 1891 Census RG12/2877 folio 51 page 24 Mary Jane SHERLOCK, wife, M, 28, LDN Woolwich Mary E, daur, 7, scholar, CHS Hoylake William A, son, 3, CHS Hoylake Florence E, daur, 2 months, CHS Hoylake (Head of household Joseph presumably out fishing). And living not very far away, with what could be the above Mary Jane's eldest child :- 1891 Census RG12/2877 folio 13 page 20 Lake Place, Little Meols Mary A SHERLOCK, head, M, 51, CHS Hoylake [in fact Little Sutton] Maria, daur, 13, CHS Hoylake William H, grandson, 10, scholar, CGN Aberystwyth ** Fanny, daur, 7, CHS Hoylake Maggie MOORE, daur, M, 21, CHS Hoylake (Husband/father Henry presumably out fishing). Regards Gordon From: "YvonnePurdy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Joseph and Mary Jane SHERLOCK >Hi Gordon, >Many thanks for your detailed reply. Much appreciated. Can you advise me >a little further please. I can't >find this family in 1891 census. Could you possibly give me a reference? >Kind regards, Von

Hi Gordon, Many thanks for your detailed reply. Much appreciated. Can you advise me a little further please. I can't find this family in 1891 census. Could you possibly give me a reference? Kind regards, Von

Bill wote :- >sorry mate I am not related to Sue Adams! No problem, Bill. :-) The reason I asked is that Sue (whom I had the pleasure of meeting when she was over in the UK a couple of years ago) is a direct descendant of the ROWLAND(S) of Wallasey (in the 1700's), Little Meols, Irby and Oxton. Regards Gordon From: "Bill Rowlands" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] James Pinkston >A big thanks to everyone that replied to my question regarding the court >case of James Pinkston in 1899,I have been trying to find this info for >years. >And to Gordon Evans,sorry mate I am not related to Sue Adams! >Regards >Bill Rowlands

Hi again Von A couple of amendments to my last post :- (i) Hoylake Holy Trinity PR's have the baptism on 19 August 1861 of a William Henry SHERLOCK, son of Mary Ann JONES of Hoose, single woman. So it was wrong of me to say that the child was both registered and baptised as William Henry JONES. (ii) The William Henry SHERLOCK of Hoose who was buried in Hoylake Holy Trinity on 16 May 1886, aged 29, was of course the son of William & Margaret (Carroll) SHERLOCK, not the son of Henry & Mary Ann.. According to my family tree the Aberystwyth-born William Henry SHERLOCK married Alice BLYTHING (b1883 Rock Ferry) in Rock Ferry St Peter in 1904, this couple having the following children, all born in Hoylake :- 1905 William Henry (m Winifride FUREY 1929) 1907 Dorothy (m Albert TOTTEY 1931) 1909 Harold (m Bessie JONES c1936) 1910 Elsie (m George William ROBERTS 1934) 1920 Alice Couldn't tell where I got this information, I'm afraid - probably a combination of the Hoylake MI's + an e-mail from a direct descendant which I'd have lost during my catastrophic computer crash in August 2007. Regards Gordon

Hi Von This one takes a bit of getting your head around, but here goes :- Henry SHERLOCK (b1839 Hoose) married Mary Ann JONES (b1839 Little Sutton) in Liverpool St Peter in 1860. Shortly before the marriage Mary Ann gave birth to a son who was both registered and baptised as William Henry JONES, but who was known during his comparatively short life (he died in 1886 aged 29) as William Henry SHERLOCK. Henry and Mary Ann's first legitimate child was a Joseph SHERLOCK (b1862 Hoose). William Henry married an Ellen BRYAN from Tipperary in Liverpool St Nicholas in 1880 and baptised a son William Henry SHERLOCK on 18 January 1882 in Hoylake Holy Trinity. In the 1891 Census this child is shown as aged 10, born in Aberystwyth, living in Lake Place, Hoylake, with his grandmother Mary A SHERLOCK (nee JONES). The 1881 Census for Wales has :- RG11/5445 folio 130 page 28 24 High Street, Aberystwyth Mary HUGHES, head, W, charwoman, born Middlesex Mary Jane STOWE, niece, U, 18, general servant, born Middlesex Free BMD has :- Marriages 1882 SeptQ Aberystwyth 11b/95 Joseph SHERLOCK Mary Jane STOW Joseph and Mary Jane SHERLOCK had the following children, all born in Hoose:- 1883 Joseph (d1883) 1884 Mary Elizabeth 1886 Joseph Henry (d1887) 1888 William Albert 1891 Florence Evelyn 1893 Harry 1896 John (d1896) 1897 Joseph (d1898) Mary Jane (Stow) SHERLOCK (born c1862 London Woolwich) of course died in Hoose in 1899, aged 37. The big question to me is whether the William Henry SHERLOCK, baptised in Hoylake on 18 January 1882 as a child of William Henry and Ellen SHERLOCK, was in reality the illegitimate child of Mary Jane STOW - "adopted" by this couple shortly before her marriage to William Henry's brother Jospeh in 1882? Regards Gordon From: "YvonnePurdy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 8:02 PM Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Joseph and Mary Jane SHERLOCK >Hi all, >A query for any of the SHERLOCK researchers. On 31 May 1897 a Joseph >Sherlock was baptised at Holy Trinity, >Hoylake, son of Joseph and Mary Jane Sherlock. Baby Joseph appears to >have been buried, also at Holy Trinity, >Hoylake, aged 14 months, on 23 August 1898, son of Joseph and Mary Jane >Sherlock. I don't have these Sherlock >parents. >Any identification and help much appreciated, or is it a senior moment, a >few of those recently:-( >Kind regards, Von

Hi Mike, Thanks for your reply, but you will have seen Pam's and Kathy's replies for 1897. Unfortunately, life changes for us all, better half had a serious illness over the last several months, and is only just starting to recover. It's great that I can finally start to take a good interest in family history again, but I'm also working now. I'm sure that any immediate queries you have can be helped on this list:-)) Kind regards, Von -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Mike Hayes Sent: 01 September 2008 20:57 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Joseph and Mary Jane SHERLOCK Hi Von So far I have Joseph Sherlock who married Mary Jane Parr 1867 St Peter Liverpool. His parents were Peter & Jane (Silcock) Sherlock Their son Joseph was born (as I have it) 1878 died 1878. Nothing on 1897. Regards Mike Hayes (who is still awaiting your verdict on what I sent you last year ;-) ) --- On Mon, 1/9/08, YvonnePurdy <[email protected]> wrote: From: YvonnePurdy <[email protected]> Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Joseph and Mary Jane SHERLOCK To: [email protected] Date: Monday, 1 September, 2008, 8:02 PM Hi all, A query for any of the SHERLOCK researchers. On 31 May 1897 a Joseph Sherlock was baptised at Holy Trinity, Hoylake, son of Joseph and Mary Jane Sherlock. Baby Joseph appears to have been buried, also at Holy Trinity, Hoylake, aged 14 months, on 23 August 1898, son of Joseph and Mary Jane Sherlock. I don't have these Sherlock parents. Any identification and help much appreciated, or is it a senior moment, a few of those recently:-( Kind regards, Von ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Kathy, Yes, I've just recently been glancing at the updated site, it's great, but I hadn't seen the 1883 baptism. Many thanks for that. BTW, Lifeboat Day at Hoylake was rather fab this year! The red arrows, fantastic!! Kind regards, Von -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Kathy Binns Sent: 01 September 2008 21:27 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Joseph and Mary Jane SHERLOCK Von, Have you seen the images of the original registers which are online now? They are on the pilot site of new Familysearch. Perhaps the same couple may have had another child named Joseph, baptised March 22 1883, and buried age 1 day old, on the same date at Hoose. I am not a SHERLOCK researcher but the Hoose address caught my eye. Best regards Kathy Hoylake -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of YvonnePurdy Sent: 01 September 2008 20:02 To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Joseph and Mary Jane SHERLOCK Hi all, A query for any of the SHERLOCK researchers. On 31 May 1897 a Joseph Sherlock was baptised at Holy Trinity, Hoylake, son of Joseph and Mary Jane Sherlock. Baby Joseph appears to have been buried, also at Holy Trinity, Hoylake, aged 14 months, on 23 August 1898, son of Joseph and Mary Jane Sherlock. I don't have these Sherlock parents. Any identification and help much appreciated, or is it a senior moment, a few of those recently:-( Kind regards, Von ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pam, Many thanks indeed for your reply. I didn't have this marriage, so much appreciated. Kind regards, Von -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Pam Craven Sent: 01 September 2008 20:54 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Joseph and Mary Jane SHERLOCK Hi Von I suspect parents may be Joseph SHERLOCK bap 29/7/1860 West Kirby married to May Jane STORKEY b1857 Bristol, Joseph (1860) is son of Joseph SHERLOCK (1815) and Eliza HINDLEY (1820). Best wishes Pam "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a good looking and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, shouting - Wow! What a ride!" -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of YvonnePurdy Sent: 01 September 2008 20:02 To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Joseph and Mary Jane SHERLOCK Hi all, A query for any of the SHERLOCK researchers. On 31 May 1897 a Joseph Sherlock was baptised at Holy Trinity, Hoylake, son of Joseph and Mary Jane Sherlock. Baby Joseph appears to have been buried, also at Holy Trinity, Hoylake, aged 14 months, on 23 August 1898, son of Joseph and Mary Jane Sherlock. I don't have these Sherlock parents. Any identification and help much appreciated, or is it a senior moment, a few of those recently:-( Kind regards, Von ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Von, Have you seen the images of the original registers which are online now? They are on the pilot site of new Familysearch. Perhaps the same couple may have had another child named Joseph, baptised March 22 1883, and buried age 1 day old, on the same date at Hoose. I am not a SHERLOCK researcher but the Hoose address caught my eye. Best regards Kathy Hoylake -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of YvonnePurdy Sent: 01 September 2008 20:02 To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Joseph and Mary Jane SHERLOCK Hi all, A query for any of the SHERLOCK researchers. On 31 May 1897 a Joseph Sherlock was baptised at Holy Trinity, Hoylake, son of Joseph and Mary Jane Sherlock. Baby Joseph appears to have been buried, also at Holy Trinity, Hoylake, aged 14 months, on 23 August 1898, son of Joseph and Mary Jane Sherlock. I don't have these Sherlock parents. Any identification and help much appreciated, or is it a senior moment, a few of those recently:-( Kind regards, Von ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi A relative James Pinkston was convicted and sentenced at Liverpool assizes on 27th November 1899,where he received six years for "manslaughter"and on his discharge from prison on 1st June 1904 was on license to The Discharged Prisoners Aid Society. Where could I find out details of his case such as the name of the victim etc. Regards Bill Rowlands South Australia

Hi Von I suspect parents may be Joseph SHERLOCK bap 29/7/1860 West Kirby married to May Jane STORKEY b1857 Bristol, Joseph (1860) is son of Joseph SHERLOCK (1815) and Eliza HINDLEY (1820). Best wishes Pam "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a good looking and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, shouting - Wow! What a ride!" -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of YvonnePurdy Sent: 01 September 2008 20:02 To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Joseph and Mary Jane SHERLOCK Hi all, A query for any of the SHERLOCK researchers. On 31 May 1897 a Joseph Sherlock was baptised at Holy Trinity, Hoylake, son of Joseph and Mary Jane Sherlock. Baby Joseph appears to have been buried, also at Holy Trinity, Hoylake, aged 14 months, on 23 August 1898, son of Joseph and Mary Jane Sherlock. I don't have these Sherlock parents. Any identification and help much appreciated, or is it a senior moment, a few of those recently:-( Kind regards, Von ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, A query for any of the SHERLOCK researchers. On 31 May 1897 a Joseph Sherlock was baptised at Holy Trinity, Hoylake, son of Joseph and Mary Jane Sherlock. Baby Joseph appears to have been buried, also at Holy Trinity, Hoylake, aged 14 months, on 23 August 1898, son of Joseph and Mary Jane Sherlock. I don't have these Sherlock parents. Any identification and help much appreciated, or is it a senior moment, a few of those recently:-( Kind regards, Von

Hi Von So far I have Joseph Sherlock who married Mary Jane Parr 1867 St Peter Liverpool. His parents were Peter & Jane (Silcock) Sherlock Their son Joseph was born (as I have it) 1878 died 1878. Nothing on 1897. Regards Mike Hayes (who is still awaiting your verdict on what I sent you last year ;-) ) --- On Mon, 1/9/08, YvonnePurdy <[email protected]> wrote: From: YvonnePurdy <[email protected]> Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Joseph and Mary Jane SHERLOCK To: [email protected] Date: Monday, 1 September, 2008, 8:02 PM Hi all, A query for any of the SHERLOCK researchers. On 31 May 1897 a Joseph Sherlock was baptised at Holy Trinity, Hoylake, son of Joseph and Mary Jane Sherlock. Baby Joseph appears to have been buried, also at Holy Trinity, Hoylake, aged 14 months, on 23 August 1898, son of Joseph and Mary Jane Sherlock. I don't have these Sherlock parents. Any identification and help much appreciated, or is it a senior moment, a few of those recently:-( Kind regards, Von ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Evans" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Details of Court case etc. Hi Bill The victim was an Elizabeth LLOYD, aged a little over 30, with whom James PINKSTON had been living as man & wife for nine years after she'd been deserted by her husband. The case was heard in the Liverpool Asssizes on Monday December 4th 1899 and reported in the Liverpool Mercury the next day. You can read the article for yourself free on-line at :- http://access.gale.com/newstrial/ Enter the name James PINKSTON in the "Find" box and limit the results to after 27th November 1899. PS. You're not related to Sue Adams in Wodonga (Victoria) by any chance, are you? Regards Gordon Evans Wirral UK >From: "Bill Rowlands" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 12:36 PM >Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Details of Court case etc. > >Hi >A relative James Pinkston was convicted and sentenced at Liverpool assizes >on 27th November 1899,where he received six years for "manslaughter"and on >his discharge from prison on 1st June 1904 was on license to The Discharged >Prisoners Aid Society. >Where could I find out details of his case such as the name of the victim >etc. >Regards >Bill Rowlands >South Australia

Try here Bill Cheers, Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Rowlands" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 12:36 PM Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Details of Court case etc. > > Hi > > A relative James Pinkston was convicted and sentenced at Liverpool assizes > on 27th November 1899,where he received six years for "manslaughter"and on > his discharge from prison on 1st June 1904 was on license to The > Discharged Prisoners Aid Society. > > Where could I find out details of his case such as the name of the victim > etc. > > Regards > > Bill Rowlands > South Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Bill The victim was an Elizabeth LLOYD, aged a little over 30, with whom James PINKSTON had been living as man & wife for nine years after she'd been deserted by her husband. The case as heard in the Liverpool Asssizes on Monday December 4th 1899 and reported in the Liverpool Mercury the next day. You can read the article for yourself free on-line at :- http://access.gale.com/newstrial/ Enter the name James PINKSTON in the "Find" box and limit the results to after 27th November 1899. PS. You're not related to Sue Adams in Wodonga (Victoria) by any chance, are you? Regards Gordon Evans Wirral UK From: "Bill Rowlands" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 12:36 PM Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Details of Court case etc. >Hi >A relative James Pinkston was convicted and sentenced at Liverpool assizes >on 27th >November 1899,where he received six years for "manslaughter"and on >his discharge >from prison on 1st June 1904 was on license to The >Discharged Prisoners Aid Society. >Where could I find out details of his case such as the name of the victim >etc. >Regards >Bill Rowlands >South Australia

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