Hiya Marged, Hubby did a search and decided that it used to be near the city center and that the University swallowed it up years ago because he found this: 5773 1791 Born roughly abt Elizabeth Fazakerley, Mrs. 1851 Census; April 07; LDS Film # 087186; Regis. Sub Dist., Mt. Pleasant; Abercromby Ward; Enum. Dist., # 1; Address: # 6 or 7 Shannon Street; Elizabeth, Age 60, Wife of Richard, from Ireland With: Richard, Husband, Head of Household, Age, 67, Occ., Milk Dealer, from Ormskirk; (Richard & Elizabeth) Liverpool, Ormskirk, Lancashire Co.; Ireland England; Ireland Glad you helped him out! LOL Lainee > [Original Message] > From: Marged <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 11/2/2008 8:14:56 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Shannon Street Liverpool > > Hi Terry > > It's off Brownlow Hill, running parallel between Pomona Street and Duckinfield Street. > > "Edwardian A-Z of Liverpool Part 2" > > Incidentally, volume 3 of these map books (South Liverpool/Dingle) was available in the book place in St John's Market last week for �4.99 instead of the usual �10. Just along from Sayers cafe on the ground floor when you enter from Clayton Square. > > Marged > > Can anyone tell me where Shannon Street Liverpool was located. My wifes gg grandparents lived at number 3 in the late 1800s. Ive tried various websites but cant seem to locate it. > > Thanks > > Terry Bostoc

http://www.old-merseytimes.co.uk:80/stjamestoxpk.html This is an old link from a few years ago which tells a terrible story and made me feel very sorry for the poor old grave digger Marged

Thanks Marged  Cheers George ----- Original Message ---- From: Marged <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, 1 November, 2008 8:52:00 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Liverpool Documentary George if you follow this link, there is a place for you to put your post code in and find out where the film is showing near you http://www.timeout.com/film/reviews/85191/of-time-and-the-city.html Marged   Can anyone tell me where it will be shown   Cheers George   the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Trying to find it for myself in Southport, but it seems to be only showing in the FACT cinema in Wood Street, Liverpool (off Hanover Street) Obviously not on general release Marged George if you follow this link, there is a place for you to put your post code in and find out where the film is showing near you http://www.timeout.com/film/reviews/85191/of-time-and-the-city.html

George if you follow this link, there is a place for you to put your post code in and find out where the film is showing near you http://www.timeout.com/film/reviews/85191/of-time-and-the-city.html Marged Can anyone tell me where it will be shown Cheers George the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can anyone tell me where it will be shown  Cheers George ----- Original Message ---- From: Sue Miller <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, 1 November, 2008 6:35:35 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Liverpool Documentary Marged and Listers I went to the London preview last Sunday with family members and we all enjoyed it.  Davie's narration is often sombre but sometimes hilarious...don't think some of the London audience got it at times. I found the scenes of the old washouses particularly moving...they brought back miserable memories of hours I spent there helping my Mum and that was only the 60s. Recommended to anyone with Liverpool connections. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marged" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Liverpool Documentary >I don't think it's off topic at all Kathy - I'm glad you sent it because I >love these films myself, and it's good if others hear of them who might not >otherwise have done so. > > Terence Davies only lived a stone's throw from "my own Liverpool" - he was > in Liverpool 6, I think, and I was in Liverpool 7. > > Marged > >  The film 'Of Time and the City' directed by Terence Davies has finally > been >  released. It is a collage of video and film footage about the Liverpool > of >  today and yesterday > >  His films include 'Distant Voices, Still Lives' and 'The Long Day Closes' >  both based on his childhood in Liverpool. > >  I hope that no lister objects to this posting as being too far off topic. >  Davies' films give the flavour of life in Liverpool from the 1940's > onwards. > > >  Showing in Liverpool and other selected cities - we are looking forward > to >  see it next week. On reading the reviews - by all accounts it is an >  excellent film. > > > >  Kathy > >  Wirral > > > > >  ------------------------------- >  To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1760 - Release Date: 01/11/2008 09:36 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marged and Listers I went to the London preview last Sunday with family members and we all enjoyed it. Davie's narration is often sombre but sometimes hilarious...don't think some of the London audience got it at times. I found the scenes of the old washouses particularly moving...they brought back miserable memories of hours I spent there helping my Mum and that was only the 60s. Recommended to anyone with Liverpool connections. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marged" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Liverpool Documentary >I don't think it's off topic at all Kathy - I'm glad you sent it because I >love these films myself, and it's good if others hear of them who might not >otherwise have done so. > > Terence Davies only lived a stone's throw from "my own Liverpool" - he was > in Liverpool 6, I think, and I was in Liverpool 7. > > Marged > > The film 'Of Time and the City' directed by Terence Davies has finally > been > released. It is a collage of video and film footage about the Liverpool > of > today and yesterday > > His films include 'Distant Voices, Still Lives' and 'The Long Day Closes' > both based on his childhood in Liverpool. > > I hope that no lister objects to this posting as being too far off topic. > Davies' films give the flavour of life in Liverpool from the 1940's > onwards. > > > Showing in Liverpool and other selected cities - we are looking forward > to > see it next week. On reading the reviews - by all accounts it is an > excellent film. > > > > Kathy > > Wirral > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1760 - Release Date: 01/11/2008 09:36

:-). Thanks a good point actually Jeff. I'm seeing one of the old Anfield family graves in a whole (or should that be hole) new light after discovering 10 people in one grave. Some are very young children, but even so. Pete On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 12:58:06 -0000, Jeff Jones <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Pete > Re 60 bodies in a 20ft pit etc. If the hole was 5' wide that would allow for > 2 coffins side by side perhaps? > Cheers, Jeff > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:50 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Burial board inquiry 1857 > > >> >> Marged, >> It is an interesting read and generates a number of thoughts. >> >> The first one being of how many people in those times were dying, often >> from diseases much more common in those times than the present day. The >> cemeteries must have been under tremendous strain at times to accomodate >> the dead, especially for the many families who couldn't afford a private >> grave. >> >> Secondly, its no mean feat, even in this day and age, to dig a hole >> 5ftx7ft and 20 to 35ft deep and I feel there's an unmentioned reason as to >> those dimensions. >> 5ftx7ft is hole not dissimilar to one dug for a modern burial although not >> 5ft wide. The attending family may have been blissfully unaware of just >> how much use a 'single' plot had seen before their funeral. It may have >> afforded them the apparent luxury of a single plot burial when they >> couldn't afford one. >> >> At upto 35ft deep that's a LOT of weight on the bottom coffins. I'm >> guessing a coffin might be 14inches deep and in 30ft of hole that'd be 25 >> of them. I couldn't say if coffin design has changed over the years but if >> they were similar to modern designs, where even something described as >> 'solid oak' has a significantly thinner lid and base than its walls >> (designed for eventual compaction?) then under that kind of force the >> lower ones would most likely collapse. Maybe it created, at least in the >> very short term, further additional capacity in one plot as the bottom >> ones gave way? >> >> "Another pit 20ft deep was opened on the 15th March and closed on the 16th >> April, contained 60 bodies" >> That's only 4inches per body even if they were piled to the top and not in >> coffins. >> >> "a sixth opened on the 7th April and closed on the 28th April contained 82 >> bodies, this was 35ft deep" >> This is very similar. >> >> Maybe it was the kindest and most efficient way to accomodate the dead in >> an overcrowed system prior to cremation becoming legal? Maybe it was >> profiteering? >> >> Pete >> >> >> >> On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:09:05 -0000, Marged <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Inquiry into the burials at St James cemetery and the Necropolis 1857, >>> gruesome reading on pit burials >>> On new snippets page >>> Please support free sites >>> http://www.old-merseytimes.co.uk/index.html >>> Jane >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > >------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Kathy........ -----Original Message----- From: Kathy Binns The film 'Of Time and the City' directed by Terence Davies has finally been released. It is a collage of video and film footage about the Liverpool of today and yesterday

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Terence+Davies+trilogy&search_ty pe=&aq=f -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marged Sent: 01 November 2008 16:21 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Liverpool Documentary I don't think it's off topic at all Kathy - I'm glad you sent it because I love these films myself, and it's good if others hear of them who might not otherwise have done so. Terence Davies only lived a stone's throw from "my own Liverpool" - he was in Liverpool 6, I think, and I was in Liverpool 7. Marged The film 'Of Time and the City' directed by Terence Davies has finally been released. It is a collage of video and film footage about the Liverpool of today and yesterday His films include 'Distant Voices, Still Lives' and 'The Long Day Closes' both based on his childhood in Liverpool. I hope that no lister objects to this posting as being too far off topic. Davies' films give the flavour of life in Liverpool from the 1940's onwards. Showing in Liverpool and other selected cities - we are looking forward to see it next week. On reading the reviews - by all accounts it is an excellent film. Kathy Wirral ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I don't think it's off topic at all Kathy - I'm glad you sent it because I love these films myself, and it's good if others hear of them who might not otherwise have done so. Terence Davies only lived a stone's throw from "my own Liverpool" - he was in Liverpool 6, I think, and I was in Liverpool 7. Marged The film 'Of Time and the City' directed by Terence Davies has finally been released. It is a collage of video and film footage about the Liverpool of today and yesterday His films include 'Distant Voices, Still Lives' and 'The Long Day Closes' both based on his childhood in Liverpool. I hope that no lister objects to this posting as being too far off topic. Davies' films give the flavour of life in Liverpool from the 1940's onwards. Showing in Liverpool and other selected cities - we are looking forward to see it next week. On reading the reviews - by all accounts it is an excellent film. Kathy Wirral ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The film 'Of Time and the City' directed by Terence Davies has finally been released. It is a collage of video and film footage about the Liverpool of today and yesterday His films include 'Distant Voices, Still Lives' and 'The Long Day Closes' both based on his childhood in Liverpool. I hope that no lister objects to this posting as being too far off topic. Davies' films give the flavour of life in Liverpool from the 1940's onwards. Showing in Liverpool and other selected cities - we are looking forward to see it next week. On reading the reviews - by all accounts it is an excellent film. Kathy Wirral

Hi Pete Re 60 bodies in a 20ft pit etc. If the hole was 5' wide that would allow for 2 coffins side by side perhaps? Cheers, Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Burial board inquiry 1857 > > Marged, > It is an interesting read and generates a number of thoughts. > > The first one being of how many people in those times were dying, often > from diseases much more common in those times than the present day. The > cemeteries must have been under tremendous strain at times to accomodate > the dead, especially for the many families who couldn't afford a private > grave. > > Secondly, its no mean feat, even in this day and age, to dig a hole > 5ftx7ft and 20 to 35ft deep and I feel there's an unmentioned reason as to > those dimensions. > 5ftx7ft is hole not dissimilar to one dug for a modern burial although not > 5ft wide. The attending family may have been blissfully unaware of just > how much use a 'single' plot had seen before their funeral. It may have > afforded them the apparent luxury of a single plot burial when they > couldn't afford one. > > At upto 35ft deep that's a LOT of weight on the bottom coffins. I'm > guessing a coffin might be 14inches deep and in 30ft of hole that'd be 25 > of them. I couldn't say if coffin design has changed over the years but if > they were similar to modern designs, where even something described as > 'solid oak' has a significantly thinner lid and base than its walls > (designed for eventual compaction?) then under that kind of force the > lower ones would most likely collapse. Maybe it created, at least in the > very short term, further additional capacity in one plot as the bottom > ones gave way? > > "Another pit 20ft deep was opened on the 15th March and closed on the 16th > April, contained 60 bodies" > That's only 4inches per body even if they were piled to the top and not in > coffins. > > "a sixth opened on the 7th April and closed on the 28th April contained 82 > bodies, this was 35ft deep" > This is very similar. > > Maybe it was the kindest and most efficient way to accomodate the dead in > an overcrowed system prior to cremation becoming legal? Maybe it was > profiteering? > > Pete > > > > On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:09:05 -0000, Marged <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> Inquiry into the burials at St James cemetery and the Necropolis 1857, >> gruesome reading on pit burials >> On new snippets page >> Please support free sites >> http://www.old-merseytimes.co.uk/index.html >> Jane >> >>------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

The peoples playground On new snippets page Please support free sites http://www.old-merseytimes.co.uk/index.html Jane __._,_.___

Marged, It is an interesting read and generates a number of thoughts. The first one being of how many people in those times were dying, often from diseases much more common in those times than the present day. The cemeteries must have been under tremendous strain at times to accomodate the dead, especially for the many families who couldn't afford a private grave. Secondly, its no mean feat, even in this day and age, to dig a hole 5ftx7ft and 20 to 35ft deep and I feel there's an unmentioned reason as to those dimensions. 5ftx7ft is hole not dissimilar to one dug for a modern burial although not 5ft wide. The attending family may have been blissfully unaware of just how much use a 'single' plot had seen before their funeral. It may have afforded them the apparent luxury of a single plot burial when they couldn't afford one. At upto 35ft deep that's a LOT of weight on the bottom coffins. I'm guessing a coffin might be 14inches deep and in 30ft of hole that'd be 25 of them. I couldn't say if coffin design has changed over the years but if they were similar to modern designs, where even something described as 'solid oak' has a significantly thinner lid and base than its walls (designed for eventual compaction?) then under that kind of force the lower ones would most likely collapse. Maybe it created, at least in the very short term, further additional capacity in one plot as the bottom ones gave way? "Another pit 20ft deep was opened on the 15th March and closed on the 16th April, contained 60 bodies" That's only 4inches per body even if they were piled to the top and not in coffins. "a sixth opened on the 7th April and closed on the 28th April contained 82 bodies, this was 35ft deep" This is very similar. Maybe it was the kindest and most efficient way to accomodate the dead in an overcrowed system prior to cremation becoming legal? Maybe it was profiteering? Pete On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:09:05 -0000, Marged <[email protected]> wrote: > > Inquiry into the burials at St James cemetery and the Necropolis 1857, > gruesome reading on pit burials > On new snippets page > Please support free sites > http://www.old-merseytimes.co.uk/index.html > Jane > >------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Does anyone have access to the GRO indexes please? I am looking for a death for Arnold S. PERKINS of 57 Moor Lane, Crosby between 1942 - 1946. He was born 1876 in Long Ditton, Surrey. After his death his wife Dorothy PERKINS was listed at 57 Moor Lane, Crosby in a trade directory. It is quite possible that someone might remember the family as Dorothy was 20 years younger than Arnold and may have lived until the 1970s or later, if so I would love to hear from anyone who knew them. I know they had at least one daughter. Many thanks Magdalen South Africa

Inquiry into the burials at St James cemetery and the Necropolis 1857, gruesome reading on pit burials On new snippets page Please support free sites http://www.old-merseytimes.co.uk/index.html Jane

As it's quiet ... This was posted to another list I subscribe to and I thought I'd share it. Perhaps some of you will have seen it before. CENSUS TAKER It was the first day of census, and all through the land; The pollster was ready ... a black book in hand. He mounted his horse for a long dusty ride; His book and some quills were tucked close by his side. A long winding ride down a road barely there; Toward the smell of fresh bread wafting, up through the air. The woman was tired, with lines on her face; And wisps of brown hair she tucked back into place. She gave him some water ... as they sat at the table; And she answered his questions ... the best she was able. He asked of her children... Yes, she had quite a few; The oldest was twenty, the youngest not two. She held up a toddler with cheeks round and red; his sister, she whispered, was napping in bed. She noted each person who lived there with pride; And she felt the faint stirrings of the wee one inside. He noted the sex, the color, the age... The marks from the quill soon filled up the page. At the number of children, she nodded her head; And saw her lips quiver for the three that were dead. The places of birth she "never forgot"; Was it Kansas? or Utah? or Oregon ... or not? They came from Scotland, of that she was clear; But she wasn't quite sure just how long they'd been here. They spoke of employment, of schooling and such; They could read some .and write some .. though really not much. When the questions were answered, his job there was done; So he mounted his horse and he rode toward the sun. We can almost imagine his voice loud and clear; "May God bless you all for another ten years." Now picture a time warp ... its' now you and me; As we search for the people on our family tree. We squint at the census and scroll down so slow; As we search for that entry from long, long ago. Could they only imagine on that long ago day; That the entries they made would effect us this way? If they knew, would they wonder at the yearning we feel; And the searching that makes them so increasingly real. We can hear if we listen the words they impart; Through their blood in our veins and their voice in our heart. Author Unknown

Thanks Yvonne I,ll give it ago. Bert ----- Original Message ----- From: "YvonnePurdy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Will search > Hi Bert, > > Lancashire Wills search: > > http://www.xmission.com/~nelsonb/lws.htm > > Photocopies of wills can be obtained from: > > Lancashire Record Office > Bow Lane > PRESTON, PR1 2RE > Lancashire > telephone: +44 (0)1772-533039 > fax: +44 (0)1772-533050 > email: [email protected] > > Regards, Yvonne > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi Terry, Is it Margaret you are looking for after 1881 or the whole family? Could you post the entry from 1881 as I had a quick look for their census entry did not jump out at me. Kathy Wirral -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bozzie Sent: 25 October 2008 17:28 To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Margaret Winstanley nee Flaherty Hi I wonder if anyone can help me. I am searching for my wifes great grandmother who was born Margaret Flaherty in 1841 in Warrington but her family later moved to Windle Lancs . She married Charles Edward Winstanley in 1879 in Prescot Lancs, they had six children together, the last of which was born in 1890. I am unable to find any trace of her in subsequent censuses after 1881. Family rumours say she left Charles but I am unable to trace her. Does this ring a bell with anybody. Many Thanks Terry Bostock ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message