I am very pleased to see Gordon's mail coming through to this list at last. We have lost a great deal of valuable help from this lister for a long time - let's hope there has been some glitch at Rootsweb which they have now fixed, and that there will be no problems in the future. Welcome back Gordon Marged Apologies for the tests. Would be interested to know whether any other subscribers are able to receive posts but not send them, as has been my predicament for the last month or so? Gordon

Apologies for the tests. Would be interested to know whether any other subscribers are able to receive posts but not send them, as has been my predicament for the last month or so? Gordon

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OH. And I'd thought Gordon was competing with GENBRIT or gone local moko this morning. Thank goodness he wasn't testing my nerves! Have a good day/evening. --Manaia ++++ --- On Sat, 11/8/08, Gordon Evans <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks Ron > > Only three from me on this list - the fourth + the one from > Ann being on the > Cheshire? > Just be grateful you're not subscribed to all twelve of > the mailing lists to > which I've sent test messages! :-) > > Regards > Gordon > > From: "Ron Fitzpatrick" > <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Cc: "Gordon.W.Evans" > <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 11:27 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Still testing > > >Gordon, > >I got 4 from you and one from Ann. > >Ron.

Please ignore if this gets through to the list. Dorothy

My thoughts exactly Tomas Magdalen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tomas Christie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Look- up please >I think one needs to be wary of ages on death certificates as they are >often a guess by the informant. Perhaps in this case the fact that his wife >was so much younger might have led him to reduce his age to be more >acceptable to her. > > Tomas > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Magdalen McGuinness <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, 5 November, 2008 20:34:31 > Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Look- up please > > Dear Tomas > I am thrilled with this information, thank you so much. I think I will > have to accept him too. The year 1941 seems about right for his death. > Perhaps he was economical with the truth where his age is concerned. The > 1901 census has his age as 24 and although there are plenty of > PERKIN/PERKINS named Arnold he is the only one I have found with the > initial > S. There is also a birth registered in Kingston in Sep. Q. 1876 of Arnold > Scott PERKIN but the family seem to have added the "S" to the surname > later as I checked out the various census forms. > Kind regards > > Magdalen > > >> Dear Magdalen, >> >> The age seems a bit young but he also seems to be the only and the most >> likely so I think you may just have to accept him!! >> >> Perkins Arnold S. 59. Crosby 8b 1245 in the June Qtr 1941. >> >> Hope that really answers your question. >> >> Tomas >> >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Tomas I am thrilled with this information, thank you so much. I think I will have to accept him too. The year 1941 seems about right for his death. Perhaps he was economical with the truth where his age is concerned. The 1901 census has his age as 24 and although there are plenty of PERKIN/PERKINS named Arnold he is the only one I have found with the initial S. There is also a birth registered in Kingston in Sep. Q. 1876 of Arnold Scott PERKIN but the family seem to have added the "S" to the surname later as I checked out the various census forms. Kind regards Magdalen > Dear Magdalen, > > The age seems a bit young but he also seems to be the only and the most > likely so I think you may just have to accept him!! > > Perkins Arnold S. 59. Crosby 8b 1245 in the June Qtr 1941. > > Hope that really answers your question. > > Tomas > > > > >

I think one needs to be wary of ages on death certificates as they are often a guess by the informant.  Perhaps in this case the fact that his wife was so much younger might have led him to reduce his age to be more acceptable to her. Tomas ________________________________ From: Magdalen McGuinness <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, 5 November, 2008 20:34:31 Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Look- up please Dear Tomas I am thrilled with this information,  thank you so much.  I think I will have to accept him too.  The year 1941 seems about right for his death.   Perhaps he was economical with the truth where his age is concerned.  The 1901 census has his age as 24 and although there are plenty of PERKIN/PERKINS named Arnold he is the only one I have found with the initial S.  There is also a birth registered in Kingston in  Sep. Q. 1876 of Arnold Scott PERKIN but the family seem to have added the "S"  to the surname later as I checked out the various census  forms. Kind regards Magdalen > Dear Magdalen, > > The age seems a bit young but he also seems to be the only and the most > likely so I think you may just have to accept him!! > > Perkins Arnold S. 59. Crosby 8b 1245 in the June Qtr 1941. > > Hope that really answers your question. > > Tomas > > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Magdalen, The age seems a bit young but he also seems to be the only and the most likely so I think you may just have to accept him!! Perkins  Arnold S.      59.             Crosby    8b   1245   in the June Qtr 1941. Hope that really answers your question. Tomas ________________________________ From: Magdalen McGuinness <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, 5 November, 2008 8:05:50 Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Look- up please Hi Jeff Thank you very much for this,  it all helps to paint a picture.  I have now found that Arnold S.  Perkins was living at 57 Moor Lane until 1943 and from 1946 his wife was listed at the same address.    Arnold probaly died between 1942 - 1946. Kind regards Magdalen > Hi Magdalen > 1970 Kelly's has Agatha M Abraham at 57A Moor Lane and Jas. A Hall at 57B. > Sorry no help > Cheers, Jeff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Magdalen McGuinness" <[email protected]> > >> >> Hello >> Does anyone have access to the GRO indexes please? >> I am looking for a death for Arnold S. PERKINS of 57 Moor Lane, Crosby >> between 1942 - 1946. >> He was born 1876 in Long Ditton, Surrey. >> After his death his wife Dorothy PERKINS was listed at 57 Moor Lane, >> Crosby in a trade directory. >> >> It is quite possible that someone might remember the family as Dorothy >> was >> 20 years younger than Arnold and may have lived until the 1970s or later, >> if so I would love to hear from  anyone  who knew them.  I know they had >> at least one daughter. >> >> Many thanks >> >> Magdalen >> South Africa >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jeff Thank you very much for this, it all helps to paint a picture. I have now found that Arnold S. Perkins was living at 57 Moor Lane until 1943 and from 1946 his wife was listed at the same address. Arnold probaly died between 1942 - 1946. Kind regards Magdalen > Hi Magdalen > 1970 Kelly's has Agatha M Abraham at 57A Moor Lane and Jas. A Hall at 57B. > Sorry no help > Cheers, Jeff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Magdalen McGuinness" <[email protected]> > >> >> Hello >> Does anyone have access to the GRO indexes please? >> I am looking for a death for Arnold S. PERKINS of 57 Moor Lane, Crosby >> between 1942 - 1946. >> He was born 1876 in Long Ditton, Surrey. >> After his death his wife Dorothy PERKINS was listed at 57 Moor Lane, >> Crosby in a trade directory. >> >> It is quite possible that someone might remember the family as Dorothy >> was >> 20 years younger than Arnold and may have lived until the 1970s or later, >> if so I would love to hear from anyone who knew them. I know they had >> at least one daughter. >> >> Many thanks >> >> Magdalen >> South Africa >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Try This site, http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/ Ron. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 4:49 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Kelvin Road, Birkenhead E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11050 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

Hi Magdalen 1970 Kelly's has Agatha M Abraham at 57A Moor Lane and Jas. A Hall at 57B. Sorry no help Cheers, Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Magdalen McGuinness" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 12:55 PM Subject: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Look- up please > > Hello > Does anyone have access to the GRO indexes please? > I am looking for a death for Arnold S. PERKINS of 57 Moor Lane, Crosby > between 1942 - 1946. > He was born 1876 in Long Ditton, Surrey. > After his death his wife Dorothy PERKINS was listed at 57 Moor Lane, > Crosby in a trade directory. > > It is quite possible that someone might remember the family as Dorothy was > 20 years younger than Arnold and may have lived until the 1970s or later, > if so I would love to hear from anyone who knew them. I know they had > at least one daughter. > > Many thanks > > Magdalen > South Africa > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Thanks Andy! Now that you've narrowed it down to the correct Kelvin Road and that residences were there at some point and probably including 1924, I think you're right that it may be helpful to know if a directory would indicate who lived there in July 1924. It may be Hilda and William or perhaps they were staying with someone whose name I recognize. By the way, since you replied I did look at Google Earth and I see the houses and the huge open space. Does anyone have access to such directory documentation? Or alternatively can someone point out to me how I can access a directory? Here is another question that someone may be able to answer. When widows remarried did the registration use their maiden name or their surname from the first marriage? Was there a consistent application of whichever method was supposed to be used? In my case, I'm wondering if I should be searching for Hilda M Anderson remarrying or under her maiden name of Brown. Hi Keith > > Two of my ancestors Hilda M. Anderson (b. Abt. 1888 in Gosforth, > Northumberland) and her son William (b. 1912 in Boldon, Durham) > returned from West Virginia landing at Liverpool in July 1924 after William Sr. > died > in 1923. Their new UK address was given as 8 Kelvin Rd., Birkenhead. > > > > Does anyone know or could point me in the right direction to search > myself, whether this was likely to be a residence or was it simply the > address where passengers might go upon arrival? I notice that Kelvin > road is quite near the docks. The Kelvin Road that runs down to the docks is Kelvin Road, WALLASEY. (sometimes referred to as Kelvin Road, Seacombe). Kelvin Road, BIRKENHEAD is in Tranmere off Holt Road, near Mersey Park and is a short road that consisted of a school and Methodist Chapel on one side, and a few houses and another school on the other. There has been some changes in recent years as both the schools and chapel have now gone replaced by what looks like houses and open space. Googling "8 kelvin road birkenhead" indicates it was a house for sale for 19,000 GDP in 2001 so there is a reasonable chance it's still there. If someone can do a look up in a diectory for around that time then the occupants name may help. Andy

Hi Keith > > Two of my ancestors Hilda M. Anderson (b. Abt. 1888 in Gosforth, > Northumberland) and her son William (b. 1912 in Boldon, Durham) returned > from West Virginia landing at Liverpool in July 1924 after William Sr. > died > in 1923. Their new UK address was given as 8 Kelvin Rd., Birkenhead. > > > > Does anyone know or could point me in the right direction to search > myself, > whether this was likely to be a residence or was it simply the address > where > passengers might go upon arrival? I notice that Kelvin road is quite near > the docks. The Kelvin Road that runs down to the docks is Kelvin Road, WALLASEY. (sometimes referred to as Kelvin Road, Seacombe). Kelvin Road, BIRKENHEAD is in Tranmere off Holt Road, near Mersey Park and is a short road that consisted of a school and Methodist Chapel on one side, and a few houses and another school on the other. There has been some changes in recent years as both the schools and chapel have now gone replaced by what looks like houses and open space. Googling "8 kelvin road birkenhead" indicates it was a house for sale for 19,000 GDP in 2001 so there is a reasonable chance it's still there. If someone can do a look up in a diectory for around that time then the occupants name may help. Andy

Hi All: I have some questions regarding British subjects returning to the UK from America. Two of my ancestors Hilda M. Anderson (b. Abt. 1888 in Gosforth, Northumberland) and her son William (b. 1912 in Boldon, Durham) returned from West Virginia landing at Liverpool in July 1924 after William Sr. died in 1923. Their new UK address was given as 8 Kelvin Rd., Birkenhead. Does anyone know or could point me in the right direction to search myself, whether this was likely to be a residence or was it simply the address where passengers might go upon arrival? I notice that Kelvin road is quite near the docks. Also, would anyone know if the remains of deceased individuals could be transported home and, if so, would that be noted on a ship manifest? I'm not sure that his remains would come with them a year after his death but I have data on other family members coming home shortly after William Sr.'s accident. If, indeed, these two settled in Birkenhead, I'd be interested in sharing information with anyone who might recognize these as family. Although I have not found data to support the fact, I wonder if one or both eventually married in the area. Thanks Keith Thornton Ontario, Canada

Hi Thanks for all your help in locating Shannon Street. Terry Bostock

Hi Lainee - nice to hear from you The next street to Shannon Street (Duckinfield Street, where I had relatives) was right next to the Workhouse. The Catholic Cathedral of Christ the King now stands on that site, so your husband will know exactly where it is. Glad to be of help! Marged Hubby did a search and decided that it used to be near the city center and that the University swallowed it up years ago because he found this: 5773 1791 Born roughly abt Elizabeth Fazakerley, Mrs. 1851 Census; April 07; LDS Film # 087186; Regis. Sub Dist., Mt. Pleasant; Abercromby Ward; Enum. Dist., # 1; Address: # 6 or 7 Shannon Street; Elizabeth, Age 60, Wife of Richard, from Ireland With: Richard, Husband, Head of Household, Age, 67, Occ., Milk Dealer, from Ormskirk; (Richard & Elizabeth) Liverpool, Ormskirk, Lancashire Co.; Ireland England; Ireland Glad you helped him out! LOL Lainee

Hi Terry It's off Brownlow Hill, running parallel between Pomona Street and Duckinfield Street. "Edwardian A-Z of Liverpool Part 2" Incidentally, volume 3 of these map books (South Liverpool/Dingle) was available in the book place in St John's Market last week for £4.99 instead of the usual £10. Just along from Sayers cafe on the ground floor when you enter from Clayton Square. Marged Can anyone tell me where Shannon Street Liverpool was located. My wifes gg grandparents lived at number 3 in the late 1800s. Ive tried various websites but cant seem to locate it. Thanks Terry Bostock ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Can anyone tell me where Shannon Street Liverpool was located. My wifes gg grandparents lived at number 3 in the late 1800s. Ive tried various websites but cant seem to locate it. Thanks Terry Bostock