Hi All, Thanks to the new parish records on Ancestry I have discovered that Joseph HILL and Elizabeth had several children starting with William bap May 1820 and ending with Elizabeth b c 1830. Evidence from the children's marriage certs shows Joseph was a butcher. The best marriage for an Elizabeth that fits is Elizabeth DARLINGTON 10 Nov 1819. They were both "of this parish". The witnesses are Thomas Morton & Edward Redford. In 1841 Elizabeth is Elizabeth MORTON living in Manchester. In 1851 she is living in Manchester with son Thomas HILL. She is shown as born Leeds c 1994 and a widow. In 1861 she is living in Barton upon Irwell with son Joseph HILL. Her name is spelt MORETON and she was born Leeds. Her death cert in 1868 shows her husband was Edward MORETON, a butcher. Looking for a marriage of Elizabeth HILL to Edward MOR(E)TON at the appropriate time I actually found a marriage of Edmund MORTON to Elizabeth DARLINGTON on 1 Jan 1837. She is shown as a spinster! So I presume Joseph HILL died between 1829 and 1837 and Edward/Edmund MOR(E)TON died between 1837 and 1841. There is a possible death for Edward MORTON in Ancoats in 1838. However he is only 38 making him 6 years younger than Elizabeth. Maybe. I may get that cert if I can't solve it any other way. I have looked to see if I can find a brother Thomas for him which would fit with the witness to the first marriage but cannot find one. I cannot tie down a death for Joseph. I would like to be able to find baptisms and deaths for Joseph and Edmund/Edward. I cannot find a baptism for an Elizabeth DARLINGTON b c 1794 from Leeds. The HILL children tie Joseph, Elizabeth and Edmund/Edward together but have I got the right Elizabeth? Any help to unravel this jigsaw greatly appreciated. Christine