> > > Hi Irene > > Thank you so much for taking the time to write such a detailed reply and for looking up those other baptisms for me. Your ideas about the different churches all sound very plausible, but I agree that if all those other babies belong to the same parents, Ellen does seem to be the anomaly. When I first found the girls I thought if they weren't sisters they might be cousins, however, Ellen's baptism does list her parents as William and Mary, so that would mean two brothers both called William. I don't think Cardwell is a very common name so I'll have to have a good think about how I can prove or disprove a link between the two - maybe by finding some of those other babies when they were married and/or in the 1841 and 1851 censuses. > > I had found the William Cardwell and Mary Hay marriage and also thought it looked interesting, especially now that you have found other babies born in the gap between that marriage and Elizabeth's birth. That would suggest a further link with the cathedral though and, as you say, they seem to have been quite loyal to the Wesleyan chapels. > > Many thanks > Joanne > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Irene Marlborough > Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2013 7:20 AM > To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Marriage Records for Manchester Cathedral > > Joanne wrote: "Can anyone suggest why a set of parents might baptise two children only three months apart and in churches of different denominations... " > > Yes, there are any number of scenarios that might explain this. > > Here are some: > 1) The babies are twins but one was in dire danger of dying at birth. > Someone baptised the baby as an emergency and had it recorded (as a private > baptism) at the local church. Later the 2nd twin was "done" at the normal time. > > 2) The family are a bit lax about baptisms and their 2 year old suddenly got really ill. The nearest clergy attended and baptised the child. Three months later the family takes the new baby to their own church to be baptised. > > 3) The family have the first child baptised (aged about 1 year) and then fall out with the clergy. The 2nd church they attend has a new curate determined to keep up with infant baptisms and insists that the new baby is baptised within 6 weeks of birth. > > Of course, if Cardwell is a fairly common name then you may just have 2 different families. It's unfortunate that the Collegiate church baptisms are so terse. There's absolutely nothing to help you identify that family. > > I don't know if you have these non-Conformist Wesleyan Chapel baptisms: > Elizabeth born 28 Jul 1806 bap 5 Oct 1806 Gt Bridgewater St. Chapel Hannah born 17 Jul 1804 bap 2 Sep 1804 Gt. Bridgewater St. Chapel Mary born 18 Apr 1802 bap 23 May 1802 Gravel Lane Wesleyan, Salford Margaret born 22 Feb 1800 bap 30 Mar 1800 Gravel Lane James born 17 Apr 1798 bap 29 Apr 1798 Gravel Lane Sarah born 19 Aug 1796 bap 4 Sep 1796 Gravel Lane (mistranscribed as 1798) > > > These non-Conformist baptisms state that William was a blacksmith of 161 Newton Lane. I have to say that they seem to be very diligent about having the babies baptised promptly and all at Wesleyan Chapels. I can't imagine why they would baptise Ellen at the Collegiate Church unless they were in a big hurry. And there really isn't enough time from 28 Jul to 28 December even for a pre-term baby.... The baptism evidence would tend to indicate that the girls are not sisters but since both were apparently daughters of William & Mary, you'll need to keep an open mind about it. > > I think that the marriage of William Cardwell (smith) and Mary Hay at the Collegiate church in 1794 looks promising. > > HTH, Irene > > > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > Be sure list mail is in PLAIN TEXT. > > Please SNIP when replying. > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >