As we have been asked to post replies (non personal) to the list I thought this may be of interest Kersal Lodge appears for the first time in a census in 1851(a history of Kersal Dale.) It is interesting as my grt grt grandfather James Down died there in 1832 (Annals of Manchester)the following Held by Manchester Archives & Local Studies St Pauls Literary and Educational society, Bennett Stree Sunday School, 1843-1962 Odds and Ends M38/4/2/24 Easter 1878 contents Includes "Thos Poynter a Forgotten Lancashire Poet" with letter from Poynter of Kersal to Elizabeth Parkinson of Kersal Lodge concerning the Manufacture of Artificial Ice Does anyone know anthing about these individuals ? As my ancestor was an inventor I wonder if there is some connection with Elizabeth ?????? Alison in Calgary