Hi Daryl, Thank you for the information on William TONG. It was because he said he was born in Manchester that submitted the request. I will certainly look into that information and see what turns up. Audrey. -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of eng-manchester-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 5:00 PM To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: ENG-MANCHESTER Digest, Vol 3, Issue 291 ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Be sure mail to the list is in plain text. When replying, please snip extraneous text and be sure to change the subject line to refect the content of your message. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Today's Topics: 1. Re: Holmes Buildings, Hulme, 1834 (Mike Morris) 2. Re: Holmes Buildings, Hulme, 1834 (RuthGenda@aol.com) 3. William TONG (Audrey Thomas) 4. Re: William TONG (D. Howland) 5. HUNT Mary A c1853-1930 (Lis) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 14:29:32 -0400 From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Holmes Buildings, Hulme, 1834 To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <3F405630A4F346D6B9607DCBCB20E9FF@admin96491d585> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Ruth, I have pored over the maps time and time again. I feel that Holmes buildin could have been in the area where they built the railway lines near in Knott Mill station. I did locate Bank Place its the east side of St Philips church in Salford. I have sent you this map section. By the way, no chance the building was named Hulme building ? I also am having a difficult time trying to locate Back Bridgwater street. My maps are dated the same time as your 1844. I have one dated 1801 and 1788, but dont see much other than Great Bridgewater street. Regards Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: <RuthGenda@aol.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 1:32 PM >> > And I've also got in my heart and memory the terrible toll of infant > mortality between 1820 and 1835 (the years I was searching). I know, I've > read all > about it - tables of statistics - pages in novels -seen plays and > paintings - > but nothing hits home like those stark entries. Often as many as 10 > entries > to 1 adult. It was appalling. So with the success of questions answered > has > come a great sadness. They were just babies, you know. > Gggrandmother, Elizabeth FLETCHER, was buried in Great Bridgewater St. > Methodist Cemetery - not Rusholme as I first thought - on 21 March 1834 > and her > address was given as Holmes Buildings, Hulme. Does anyone know anything > about > these buildings? Where were they in Hulme? The archivists and I > searched > old maps, including Godfrey's of 1849 but couldn't find Holmes Buildings. > Originally the family had lived at 29 Little Bridgewater Street - and we > couldn't > find that either - and after that lived at 2 Bank Place, Salford - ran > out > of time to look. Later, husband Charles moved to 3 Princess Street, his > three > surviving children all off his hands and earning reasonable livings - in > fact, doing very well. > > If anyone has information about these addresses I'd be grateful <snip> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 16:56:16 EDT From: RuthGenda@aol.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Holmes Buildings, Hulme, 1834 To: morrisind@rogers.com, eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <d40.231f283b.35f599f0@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hey, Mike, thanks for Bank Place. And do you know, I think Bank Place might still be there. I have a modern A-Z of Manchester - well it's about 15-20 years old - and it's definitely there. Maybe the church (St. Philips) has saved that area from demolition. If only I'd had more time in Manchester last week I would have walked the area. With my camera! Holmes Buildings? Mmm. The entry in the register was very definitely Holmes. But that's not to say that the registrar made an error. I've searched the directories for the whole of that century for Holmes and nothing gets turned up. Now it's hard to believe that its never mentioned anywhere in any directory. I did find a mention of Hulmes Buildings, Chorley Road, S. in the Slaters 1903 directory. I first assumed that S. stood for Salford but it could also stand for Sale (which is where there is a Chorley Rd on the modern map). And, of course, there is Chorlton Road which runs N to S between Stretford and Hume on the modern map. So I just don't know. Maybe I have to go to the dreaded 1841 census to see if I can locate the Buildings there. I can feel another look-up request coming on... But Bank Place - that's really great - thank you very much. Ruth ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:05:58 +1000 From: "Audrey Thomas" <thomas971@bigpond.com> Subject: [ENG-MAN] William TONG To: <ENG-MANCHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <41F05722F57C4BE68565CC7273794C6B@Coringa> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Is it possible for SKS can look for a christening record for William TONG born c 1809 in Manchester. Father William TONG occupation carder. Mothers name unknown. Thank you Audrey Thomas Queensland Australia. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 20:18:22 -0700 From: "D. Howland" <howlands@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] William TONG To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <B34CF92D73DC4C10A7FD336D60285B8E@DH2> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original There is an IGI listing on http://www.familysearch.org for a William TONG christened in 1910 in Bolton Le Moors, Lancashire. Father is listed as William TONG. Mother is Ellen. Brother is Edward TONG, christened 1805 also Bolton Le Moors. There are quite a few other William TONGs listed, but none in 1809. Daryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey Thomas" <thomas971@bigpond.com> To: <ENG-MANCHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 8:05 PM Subject: [ENG-MAN] William TONG > Is it possible for SKS can look for a christening record for William TONG > born c 1809 in Manchester. Father William TONG occupation carder. Mothers > name unknown. > Thank you > Audrey Thomas Queensland Australia. > > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 14:15:16 +1000 From: "Lis" <tislis@bigpond.net.au> Subject: [ENG-MAN] HUNT Mary A c1853-1930 To: <ENG-MANCHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <20080908041520.EUD1865.nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@GREATERWEST1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This is my first listing on this list. I am not as experienced as most of you, and I hope I am understanding the rules. Mary Ann HUNT was my father's maternal grandmother, she died in NSW Australia in 1930, a widow, her husband was John Ellington SMITH. I am in Sydney NSW and together with several cousins we know something of her life before she arrived in NSW as an adult. Her death registration notes her parents were HARTLEY HUNT and MARY DICKENS. Mary Ann HUNT's children were given the following first names: Laura, Nellie, Reuben Hartley, Rebecca, Annie, Rachel, Mary Jane, Thomas Hartley, and perhaps there are clues in those names, for their NSW birth certificates indicate Mary Ann's age when these children were born. Hence, it is most likely that Mary Ann was born in 1853 Q2. Consistently throughout all those birth certificates and her death registration is the fact that she was born in LANCASHIRE, and several documents indicate MANCHESTER. From those birth certificates for Mary Ann's children we also know that Mary Ann migrated firstly to WELINGTON, NEW ZEALAND. And from oral history from one cousin we know about the name of a ship and from another cousin we know that she was on a ship that brought the first steam locomotives to Wellington. So, we have found online newspaper cuttings to support her arrival on THE DOUGLAS at Wellington NZ in Sept 1873, and we have then found NZ archive records to show that migration as a government assistance of 14 pounds (the fare), her name (Mary A Hunt) her age (20), her status (single), her occupation (servant) and her county origins COUNTY LANCASHIRE. We also have her own "treasures" passed to one of her children and now held by a retired C of E rector, who is her great grandson. These include a photo taken at the studios of AUG DOHERTY of 53 STRETFORD ROAD (which we presume is in Manchester, perhaps SALFORD, but remember we are half a world away). The photo is of three ladies, and would appear to be THREE GENERATIONS, with Mary Ann the youngest of these, and handwriting on the back supports this. Also on the back is the following address: Top Row, NORTHWICH CHESHIRE. Online searching has found 1851 and 1861 Census records for several HUNT families, in Salford and in OLDHAM and two entries are of interest, with links to both Manchester and to Northwich. We are seeking advice as to where to proceed to now, and all suggestions will be followed up, as between us cousins we can share the online searching and the like. CHEERS TO YOU ALL FROM THE LAND DOWN UNDER, hope to hear from you soon, and if any of you are descendants on any branch of Mary Ann Hunt's forebears, we have lots to share with you. ------------------------------ To contact the ENG-MANCHESTER list administrator, send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-admin@rootsweb.com. 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