Hi Sally Do you have any idea which state of Australia they may have gone to ? Do you have any information that leads you to Australia or is it a hunch ? Whilst most records in Australia are free and accessible I have not found your family entering NSW .There a few possibilities in Victoria , although the ages don't really match- This means little in these records as it seems a guess was often made when recording ages. Vic Emigration *Family Name[image: Click To Change Sort Direction]<http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search_results.asp?sortfield=FamilyName&direction=DESC&cont=yes&upto=> * *First Name[image: Click To Change Sort Direction]<http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search_results.asp?sortfield=GivenName&direction=DESC&cont=yes&upto=> * *Age[image: Click To Change Sort Direction]<http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search_results.asp?sortfield=Age&direction=DESC&cont=yes&upto=> * *Month[image: Click To Change Sort Direction]<http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search_results.asp?sortfield=Month&direction=DESC&cont=yes&upto=> * *Year[image: Click To Change Sort Direction]<http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search_results.asp?sortfield=Year&direction=DESC&cont=yes&upto=> * *Ship[image: Click To Change Sort Direction]<http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search_results.asp?sortfield=Ship&direction=DESC&cont=yes&upto=> * *Port[image: Click To Change Sort Direction]<http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search_results.asp?sortfield=Port&direction=DESC&cont=yes&upto=> * *Fiche* *Page* DERBYSHIREJ W20APR1889ABERDEENB513001DERBYSHIRESAMUEL25AUG 1886IBERIA B470002DERBYSHIRE---- MR27APR1887MANAPOURIN215001DERBYSHIRE---- MRS24 OCT1890ORIENTB536014DERBYSHIREMARY A20DEC1888ORIENTB506006DERBYSHIRE ---- MRS38NOV1888ORMUZB505017DERBYSHIREJ MR25NOV1888ORMUZB505017 These are a few links to sites within Australia that may assist you in future http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/keyname_search_2187.asp http://www.access.prov.vic.gov.au/public/PROVguides/PROVguide023/PROVguide023.jsp Sorry I can't be more helpful Terese NSW Australia On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 6:04 AM, Sally Haden <haden.sally@googlemail.com>wrote: > Hi folks, > > Is there someone who might help me find in Australia a Manchester > family who emigrated, please? > > Still tracking the DERBYSHIRE glassmaking family, I have reason to > think that the two brothers who were the main driving force behind > their glassworks in Hulme and Salford may have emigrated to Australia > in the late 1880s. > > A sequence of tragedies in the family together with some decline in > the glass trade may have made them want to give up in Manchester and > start a fresh life somewhere else. The business was taken over by > other members of the family. > > I do not have the global edition of Ancestry, but maybe someone on > the list might have access to Australian records? > > The date would be between 1886 and 1891. Here are the people: > > James DERBYSHIRE, b. abt 1825, Urmston near Manchester, Lancashire > and his daughter Mary Ann DERBYSHIRE, b. abt 1847, Hulme, Manchester, > Lancashire > > John DERBYSHIRE, b. 1840, Chorlton district of Manchester, Lancashire > his 2nd wife Elizabeth DERBYSHIRE (nee WHITAKER) b. abt 1837, > Mossley, Yorkshire > his daughter by his first wife, Lucy DERBYSHIRE b. 1860, Hulme, > Manchester, Lancashire > > I have no other details which would help. Except I imagine they may > have started up in glass in Australia as it would have been the only > trade they knew. > > Many thanks! > > Sally > in Yorkshire > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Terese, Alison and Sandra, and all, Thanks for your terrific responses. > Still tracking the DERBYSHIRE glassmaking family, I have reason to > think that the two brothers who were the main driving force behind > their glassworks in Hulme and Salford may have emigrated to Australia > in the late 1880s. "Australia" is some else's 'information'. I thought (thanks very much to Kath on this list who has helped me heaps with the DERBYSHIREs) that James and his brother John must have died, because we were able to track them thoroughally until the sources suddenly dried up after 1886, but searching high and low we didn't find their deaths. So then thoughts turned to emigration. Then on CuriousFox I found the following: I am looking for information about John Derbyshire born in Humle in 1840. Flint glass manufacturer at the Regent Road Glassworks, with brother James and nephew Thomas. He ceased trading in the late 1870's or early 1880's and is belived to have emigrated to Australia with his second wife Elizabeth and possibly 2 sons. I have located him in several of the census, but then the whole family vanish. I have posted a reply but got nothing back. Most of what he says fits my own research - it was just the "believed to have emigrated to Australia" which was new. However he doesn't know that John's two sons and his nephew Thomas tragically died young. And we have found directory entries which show that James and John were still making glass in Manchester in 1885/1886. I am presuming that John's brother James went with him to Australia, but that's my guess based on the fact that James disappears from English records at the same time. We also know that by 1891 other members of the family were drafted in to prop up the business, which suggested death or emigration. The family finally ceased making glass in Hulme and Salford in 1893 (under the name DERBYSHIRE). Of course, the CuriousFox information about Australia might be a big guess, I just don't know. So that's how I arrived at the proposition that James and John emigrated (to Australia?) somewhere between 1886 and 1891. They would have been as follows: James DERBYSHIRE b. abt 1825, Urmston (near Manchester), Lancs James' daughter: Mary Ann DERBYSHIRE, b. abt 1847 in Hulme, Manchester, Lancs John DERBYSHIRE b. 1840, Hulme, Lancs John's second wife: Elizabeth DERBYSHIRE (nee WHITAKER) b. abt 1837, Mossley, Yorks John's daughter by his first wife: Lucy DERBYSHIRE, b. 1860 in Hulme, Manchester, Lancs Thanks Sandra for this: > Mary Ann DERBYSHIRE Married 1889 to Saml TATTERSALL reg 525 Mary > Ann Born > Stockport Lancs. Is this anywhere near Hulme? But although Stockport is not far from Manchester, in those days it would have been pretty surprising for her or anyone to have confused the two as a birthplace. It is possible that the daughters Lucy and Mary Ann DERBYSHIRE married before emigrating. I just don't know. Given the closeness in life and work of the two brothers it is possible that they stayed near each other in Australia and started making glass there, but again I just don't know. Thanks a million for looking! Sally in Yorkshire

Hi Sally I have looked at the Queensland, South Aust and Victorian BMD records for your Derbyshire family, nothing in the first 2 states but there is a marriage for a Mary Ann DERBYSHIRE in Victoria Mary Ann DERBYSHIRE Married 1889 to Saml TATTERSALL reg 525 Mary Ann Born Stockport Lancs. Is this anywhere near Hulme? Samuel TATTERSALL born Summercuts Lancs Died 1891 Tarnagulla age 59 reg no 4211 Mary Ann TATTERSALL then married 1893 to Hy WALKER born Rothwell Eng. Death Reg no 3841. I have been unable to find a death for Mary Ann WALKER upto 1985 These certificates would be available for a fee from Registery Victorian Birth Death & marriages (a Goole search will take you to the web site) No sign of the other family members Sandra Aus >> James DERBYSHIRE, b. abt 1825, Urmston near Manchester, Lancashire >> and his daughter Mary Ann DERBYSHIRE, b. abt 1847, Hulme, Manchester, >> Lancashire >> >> John DERBYSHIRE, b. 1840, Chorlton district of Manchester, Lancashire >> his 2nd wife Elizabeth DERBYSHIRE (nee WHITAKER) b. abt 1837, >> Mossley, Yorkshire >> his daughter by his first wife, Lucy DERBYSHIRE b. 1860, Hulme, >> Manchester, Lancashire >> >> I have no other details which would help. Except I imagine they may >> have started up in glass in Australia as it would have been the only >> trade they knew. >> >> Many thanks! >> >> Sally >> in Yorkshire >> >> >>