Please how may one trace "deaths / burials / graves", which are not on the "Manchester burials' index", i.e., a.. "The person may have been buried in a cemetery that is not operated by Manchester City Council and therefore no records are held for these burials within this system. a.. "The person may have been buried within church grounds and these records are not available on the online system. a.. "The person may be buried in a cemetery, which, although managed by Manchester City Council, may now be closed. The records contained in the system are from currently in use cemeteries managed by Manchester City Council." Thanking you in anticipation Winifred Johns [previous specific request of 2 April 2008:] "As yet I have been unable to resolve the DEATH /BURIAL in or near > Manchester of 2 people: > > 1. Richard WADKIN / WATKIN, who married [as Richard WADKIN, 'occupation: > cotton spinning'] at the Manchester Cathedral of St Mary St Denys and St > George in 1803 and had 2 children baptised there: 1804 Sarah WATKIN; 1805 > James WATKIN;] and who DIED BETWEEN 1805-1811. [Residential address in > Manchester of Richard and Elizabeth Watkin not yet identified] > > 2. Mrs. Elizabeth ROBERTS [wife of Richard ROBERTS, widow of Richard > WATKIN, maiden surname HOYLE] who died between 24-31 Dec 1824 - her 8th > child, Jemima ROBERTS, was born on 24 Dec 1824; OR between 1 Jan. - 29 > Sep. 1825. {Her son James on his 70th birthday, 29 Sep 1875, recalled "It > is 50 years since my mother died".} > > I have not identified either on National Burial Index; or on cemetery > records of the following. [Church name format from Manchester City > Council 'Church Register List'.]:- > a) Manchester City Centre- Cathedral St Mary, St Denys and St George. > [Where both marriages occurred, and children of 1st marriage were > christened]; > b) Manchester City Centre- Great Bridgewater Street Wesleyan See Hulme- > Hulme (Wesley) Methodist. [Where oldest children of 2nd marriage were > christened.] > c) Manchester City Centre- Oldham Street Wesleyan See Manchester, > Central Hall, Oldham Street (formerly Oldham Street Wesleyan). [Where the > younger children of 2nd marriage were christened. Note: Oldham St. > Wesleyan church did not have an on-site burial ground] N.B. No > christenings listed at a 'Wesleyan New Connection church,' or at the more > distant 'Oldham Rd.' church.] > d) Cheetham and Cheetham Hill- Cheetham Hill Wesleyan > Burials-1815-1832- MFPR 269 [Burial years could only have applied to > Elizabeth Roberts - too late for Richard Watkin. - This cemetery was > suggested as having a sizeable number of Wesleyan burials.] > e) Manchester City Centre- St Ann [not far from the Cathedral] > f) Manchester City Centre- St John, Deansgate [not far from street > addresses where children of 2nd marriage were born] > g) Manchester City Centre- St James, George Street [not far from Great > Bridgewater St. Wesleyan] > > Richard ROBERTS' business / residential addresses in directories include: > 1821-1822 Pigot & Deane's directory: joiner, Bishopsgate, Manchester > 1822 in Pigot's directory: joiner 39 Lombard St.; house at 237 Deansgate > 1824-1825 Pigot's directory: joiner, 3 Bishopsgate, Manchester > 1825, Baine's directory: leather dealer, 52 Fleet St. > > Help, advice or suggestions appreciated. Thank you > Winifred Johns 2 4 08: www.lancashirebmd.org.uk - burials checked for > 'Roberts' & 'Wadkin / Watkin' for following Lancashire parishes 1805-1825 > [where transcribed]: Parish of Ashton in Makerfield St. James, Milnrow parish St. Leonard Walton le dale; St. Elphin Warrington; St. Oswald, fmly Holy Trinity, Warton parish; St. Michael, Whitewell; All Saints, Wigan ]