I am new to this list but I am wondering if anyone can help me. I am looking for Charles Edmonds. In the 1851 Salford Census, it lists him as born b. 1799 in Somerset. Although I can't verify, family legend has him born on 17 Oct..father Samuel, mother Honer Heckter? There is some mention of a birthplace called Kabbeth? somewhere in Somerset. He is an operative dyer, general (whatever that means..I assume he worked with the dye lots in the cotton mills) His wife is Jane born in approx 1809 in Lancaster Town. She is listed as a cotton doubler (whatever that is) , there is one daughter, Ellen who was born in 1830 in Lancaster, Manchester and listed as a servant. They are listed as living at 1 Cross Street shed #63. The ecclesiastical district is not listed neither is the borough. I know that Charles legs were crippled and he used two canes to walk. His back may have been deformed, also. If he was born crippled, perhaps he was apprenticed out, young? Maybe he suffered an accident? Perhaps he came from Somerset to seek his fortune? Was there an industry in Somerset that would have prepared Charles to work in the Cotton Mills? I assume from the type of work they did and from other accounts, they were some of the very poor working class. As I can't find this family in the census before 1851, I wonder if anyone can see if there is a Salford census for 1840? If his wife was 10 years younger, perhaps it was a second marriage? If the wife was from Lancaster and the daughter born there, where would I find the marriage records? Did they have any other kids? What parish would be in that area? St Trinity? Are there parish records for St Trinity? Would that be where the working poor would go? Any help you can give me would be appreciated. Any ideas where to look further..anything at all would be welcome. Thank you most sincerely, Lorna Rosenstein

Hi Lorna Have you tried www.familysearch.org or www.lancashirebmd.co.uk or the Lancashire OPC. There may also be parish records from Somerset or a BMD there. Haven't tried as my Somerset people disappeared. Betty Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorna" <Lorna@xmission.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 1:09 PM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Charles Edmunds b. 1799 living on Cross Street Salford 1851 >I am new to this list but I am wondering if anyone can help me. I am > looking for Charles Edmonds. In the 1851 Salford Census, it lists him > as born b. 1799 in Somerset. Although I can't verify, family legend has > him born on 17 Oct..father Samuel, mother Honer Heckter? There is some > mention of a birthplace called Kabbeth? somewhere in Somerset. He is an > operative dyer, general (whatever that means..I assume he worked with > the dye lots in the cotton mills) His wife is Jane born in approx 1809 > in Lancaster Town. She is listed as a cotton doubler (whatever that is) > , there is one daughter, Ellen who was born in 1830 in Lancaster, > Manchester and listed as a servant. They are listed as living at 1 > Cross Street shed #63. The ecclesiastical district is not listed > neither is the borough. > > I know that Charles legs were crippled and he used two canes to walk. > His back may have been deformed, also. If he was born crippled, perhaps > he was apprenticed out, young? Maybe he suffered an accident? Perhaps > he came from Somerset to seek his fortune? Was there an industry in > Somerset that would have prepared Charles to work in the Cotton Mills? > I assume from the type of work they did and from other accounts, they > were some of the very poor working class. > > As I can't find this family in the census before 1851, I wonder if > anyone can see if there is a Salford census for 1840? If his wife was > 10 years younger, perhaps it was a second marriage? If the wife was > from Lancaster and the daughter born there, where would I find the > marriage records? Did they have any other kids? What parish would be in > that area? St Trinity? Are there parish records for St Trinity? Would > that be where the working poor would go? > > Any help you can give me would be appreciated. Any ideas where to look > further..anything at all would be welcome. > > Thank you most sincerely, > > Lorna Rosenstein > > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Lorna, Welcome to the list. I have located Cross street in 1844. Sheds are not mentioned on the map, but perhaps they are part of the industrial complex on Cross street. just below the cotton mill acroos from Ebenezer chapel and Bury street, Not far to the east was Trinity church. There was also the Wesleyan Methodist church on Gravel lane. The Cross street area might come under St Stephens Ward. I will send you these maps sections. Regards Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorna" <Lorna@xmission.com> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 3:09 PM >I am new to this list but I am wondering if anyone can help me. I am > looking for Charles Edmonds. In the 1851 Salford Census, it lists him > as born b. 1799 in Somerset. Although I can't verify, family legend has > him born on 17 Oct..father Samuel, mother Honer Heckter? There is some > mention of a birthplace called Kabbeth? somewhere in Somerset. He is an > operative dyer, general (whatever that means..I assume he worked with > the dye lots in the cotton mills) His wife is Jane born in approx 1809 > in Lancaster Town. She is listed as a cotton doubler (whatever that is) > , there is one daughter, Ellen who was born in 1830 in Lancaster, > Manchester and listed as a servant. They are listed as living at 1 > Cross Street shed #63. The ecclesiastical district is not listed > neither is the borough. <snip>

Hi Lorna It is an interesting story about Charles EDMONDS. Just a thought about his deformities - perhaps it was rickets from a very poor diet. Or perhaps it was something to do with the dyes. I imagine the dyes wouldn't have done anyone's health a favour, and if he was inhaling or touching toxic material it might have affected his bones? If you have time, I suggest you do some research into the cotton industry, especially dyeing. Or into rickets. You might find something interesting to explain his deformities. It looks as if he migrated to Lancashire and then met Jane, sometime in the 1820s. You say Ellen was born 1830 in Lancaster, Manchester? This is probably "Lancashire, Manchester"? I have searched the 1851 census to check the details, but cannot find it, or Charles and Jane anywhere. Can you give us the reference number? It is the number at the side of the page which starts "HO/...." Another thought, the name EDMONDS might easily be swopped by a transcriber for EDWARDS. I say this because I just looked at a family transcribed as EDMONDS when in fact I think it is EDWARDS. So you could try searching 1841 under EDWARDS. Good luck Sally in Yorkshire

Lorna There were plenty of woolen mills he could have trained in Somerset. Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lorna Sent: 28 August 2008 20:09 To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-MAN] Charles Edmunds b. 1799 living on Cross Street Salford1851 I am new to this list but I am wondering if anyone can help me. I am looking for Charles Edmonds. In the 1851 Salford Census, it lists him as born b. 1799 in Somerset. Although I can't verify, family legend has him born on 17 Oct..father Samuel, mother Honer Heckter? There is some mention of a birthplace called Kabbeth? somewhere in Somerset. He is an operative dyer, general (whatever that means..I assume he worked with the dye lots in the cotton mills) His wife is Jane born in approx 1809 in Lancaster Town. She is listed as a cotton doubler (whatever that is) , there is one daughter, Ellen who was born in 1830 in Lancaster, Manchester and listed as a servant. They are listed as living at 1 Cross Street shed #63. The ecclesiastical district is not listed neither is the borough. I know that Charles legs were crippled and he used two canes to walk. His back may have been deformed, also. If he was born crippled, perhaps he was apprenticed out, young? Maybe he suffered an accident? Perhaps he came from Somerset to seek his fortune? Was there an industry in Somerset that would have prepared Charles to work in the Cotton Mills? I assume from the type of work they did and from other accounts, they were some of the very poor working class. As I can't find this family in the census before 1851, I wonder if anyone can see if there is a Salford census for 1840? If his wife was 10 years younger, perhaps it was a second marriage? If the wife was from Lancaster and the daughter born there, where would I find the marriage records? Did they have any other kids? What parish would be in that area? St Trinity? Are there parish records for St Trinity? Would that be where the working poor would go? Any help you can give me would be appreciated. Any ideas where to look further..anything at all would be welcome. Thank you most sincerely, Lorna Rosenstein ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.9/1636 - Release Date: 26/08/2008 19:09 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.9/1636 - Release Date: 26/08/2008 19:09

Lorna Honour Hecter was baptisd 1779 in the Isle of Brewers (which is near Taunton Somerset) It has her husband as Samuel Edmunds married 24 febrary 1800 at the same place. Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Sent: 29 August 2008 09:35 To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-MAN] Charles Edmunds b. 1799 living on Cross StreetSalford1851 Lorna There were plenty of woolen mills he could have trained in Somerset. Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lorna Sent: 28 August 2008 20:09 To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-MAN] Charles Edmunds b. 1799 living on Cross Street Salford1851 I am new to this list but I am wondering if anyone can help me. I am looking for Charles Edmonds. In the 1851 Salford Census, it lists him as born b. 1799 in Somerset. Although I can't verify, family legend has him born on 17 Oct..father Samuel, mother Honer Heckter? There is some mention of a birthplace called Kabbeth? somewhere in Somerset. He is an operative dyer, general (whatever that means..I assume he worked with the dye lots in the cotton mills) His wife is Jane born in approx 1809 in Lancaster Town. She is listed as a cotton doubler (whatever that is) , there is one daughter, Ellen who was born in 1830 in Lancaster, Manchester and listed as a servant. They are listed as living at 1 Cross Street shed #63. The ecclesiastical district is not listed neither is the borough. I know that Charles legs were crippled and he used two canes to walk. His back may have been deformed, also. If he was born crippled, perhaps he was apprenticed out, young? Maybe he suffered an accident? Perhaps he came from Somerset to seek his fortune? Was there an industry in Somerset that would have prepared Charles to work in the Cotton Mills? I assume from the type of work they did and from other accounts, they were some of the very poor working class. As I can't find this family in the census before 1851, I wonder if anyone can see if there is a Salford census for 1840? If his wife was 10 years younger, perhaps it was a second marriage? If the wife was from Lancaster and the daughter born there, where would I find the marriage records? Did they have any other kids? What parish would be in that area? St Trinity? Are there parish records for St Trinity? Would that be where the working poor would go? Any help you can give me would be appreciated. Any ideas where to look further..anything at all would be welcome. Thank you most sincerely, Lorna Rosenstein ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.9/1636 - Release Date: 26/08/2008 19:09 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.9/1636 - Release Date: 26/08/2008 19:09 ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.9/1636 - Release Date: 26/08/2008 19:09 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.9/1636 - Release Date: 26/08/2008 19:09

In the IGI there is a marriage of Charles Edmonds and Jane Johnson 21 July 1850 Cathedral Manchester Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-manchester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lorna Sent: 28 August 2008 20:09 To: eng-manchester@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-MAN] Charles Edmunds b. 1799 living on Cross Street Salford1851 I am new to this list but I am wondering if anyone can help me. I am looking for Charles Edmonds. In the 1851 Salford Census, it lists him as born b. 1799 in Somerset. Although I can't verify, family legend has him born on 17 Oct..father Samuel, mother Honer Heckter? There is some mention of a birthplace called Kabbeth? somewhere in Somerset. He is an operative dyer, general (whatever that means..I assume he worked with the dye lots in the cotton mills) His wife is Jane born in approx 1809 in Lancaster Town. She is listed as a cotton doubler (whatever that is) , there is one daughter, Ellen who was born in 1830 in Lancaster, Manchester and listed as a servant. They are listed as living at 1 Cross Street shed #63. The ecclesiastical district is not listed neither is the borough. I know that Charles legs were crippled and he used two canes to walk. His back may have been deformed, also. If he was born crippled, perhaps he was apprenticed out, young? Maybe he suffered an accident? Perhaps he came from Somerset to seek his fortune? Was there an industry in Somerset that would have prepared Charles to work in the Cotton Mills? I assume from the type of work they did and from other accounts, they were some of the very poor working class. As I can't find this family in the census before 1851, I wonder if anyone can see if there is a Salford census for 1840? If his wife was 10 years younger, perhaps it was a second marriage? If the wife was from Lancaster and the daughter born there, where would I find the marriage records? Did they have any other kids? What parish would be in that area? St Trinity? Are there parish records for St Trinity? Would that be where the working poor would go? Any help you can give me would be appreciated. Any ideas where to look further..anything at all would be welcome. Thank you most sincerely, Lorna Rosenstein ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-MANCHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.9/1636 - Release Date: 26/08/2008 19:09 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.9/1636 - Release Date: 26/08/2008 19:09