Hi All I just spent a whole day on this site. http://access.gale.com/gdctrial/login.html you need to register, but they have British newspapers from 1600 - 1900 online. This is only a trial, so I have no idea how long it'll be available for. I found a death notice for my 4 x gr grandmother Elizabeth JOHNSTON (nee FAIRBAIRN) listed in the Glasgow Herald in Mar 1851, it states: At 20 Stock St, Manchester, on the 21st instant, Elizabeth Fairbairn, relict of Andrew Johnston, Esq, architect. I've got Elizabeth on Stock St in 1841 with her daughter Jesse, and then I have Jesse at the address in 1851, by 1861 Jesse is in Glasgow, Scotland with her sister Elizabeth, but I can still find no Andrew. To add more confusion, when his daughter Margaret married in 1847 Edinburgh, Andrew is down as John, I have from the 1834 Pigots directory for Manchester (thanks to Lynne :o)) John JOHNSTON, architect, 63 King St. So I'm thinking that, that John is actually my Andrew. I know he's stayed in Manchester, because when his daughter Elizabeth died in 1871 (again listed in the Glasgow Herald) it says 'eldest daughter of the late Andrew Johnston, Esq, architect, Manchester'. At this moment in time I don't even know where Andrew was born because I've been unable to find him on any census returns. Him and Elizabeth married in Edinburgh in 1802, they had their 1st child John there, the rest were born in and around London. I have no idea why they ended up in Manchester. What district of Manchester is King St in? I want to try and find no 63 in 1841. Can anyone help me find Andrew (or John)? Jane :o)

Hi Jane, I registered with the site (below) and they sent me an e-mail with a Log In and a Password. It won't let me log in though - maybe because they realised I am not a Library worker? Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: arcmikmum@talktalk.net To: Manchester Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 10:31 AM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Fab site - now a little help is needed! Please. Hi All I just spent a whole day on this site. http://access.gale.com/gdctrial/login.html you need to register, but they have British newspapers from 1600 - 1900 online. This is only a trial, so I have no idea how long it'll be available for.

Hi Jane Ive been looking at your Johnston's. I don't have ancestry at the moment, but just wanted to clarify a couple of things. "Relict" - does that mean widow? The only King Street I know in Manchester is actually in Central Manchester...and is still there. It's bound to be on one of the modern street map sites. Have you found a death for Andrew/John? And have you details of the first born son, John? Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: arcmikmum@talktalk.net To: Manchester Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 10:31 AM Subject: [ENG-MAN] Fab site - now a little help is needed! Please. I found a death notice for my 4 x gr grandmother Elizabeth JOHNSTON (nee FAIRBAIRN) listed in the Glasgow Herald in Mar 1851, it states: At 20 Stock St, Manchester, on the 21st instant, Elizabeth Fairbairn, relict of Andrew Johnston, Esq, architect. I've got Elizabeth on Stock St in 1841 with her daughter Jesse, and then I have Jesse at the address in 1851, by 1861 Jesse is in Glasgow, Scotland with her sister Elizabeth, but I can still find no Andrew. To add more confusion, when his daughter Margaret married in 1847 Edinburgh, Andrew is down as John, I have from the 1834 Pigots directory for Manchester (thanks to Lynne :o)) John JOHNSTON, architect, 63 King St. So I'm thinking that, that John is actually my Andrew. I know he's stayed in Manchester, because when his daughter Elizabeth died in 1871 (again listed in the Glasgow Herald) it says 'eldest daughter of the late Andrew Johnston, Esq, architect, Manchester'. At this moment in time I don't even know where Andrew was born because I've been unable to find him on any census returns. Him and Elizabeth married in Edinburgh in 1802, they had their 1st child John there, the rest were born in and around London. I have no idea why they ended up in Manchester. What district of Manchester is King St in? I want to try and find no 63 in 1841. Can anyone help me find Andrew (or John)? Jane :o)

Hi Pat Thats the only King St I can think of too, and considering his line of work, I'd say it is that King St, unfortunately, I haven't managed to find the address in 1841 as yet. I have a feeling that Andrew/John is deceased by 1841, as Elizabeth is on her own with her daughter Jesse and it says 'Ind' in the occupation, which I take it to mean independant. And yes, relict is an ancient term for widow, I had to look that up on wikipedia! As yet, I don't have Andrew/John's year of birth or death, I think c1775 and maybe in Scotland (narrows it down doesn't it!) Elizabeth was born 1779 in Berwickshire. Their children are: John b 1805 Edinburgh Peter Thomas b 1807 Kent Andrew b 1812 London Elizabeth b 1814 London Janet (Jesse) b 1816 London Margaret b 1818 Isleworth James b 1818 Isleworth Peter stayed in Middlesex, Elizabeth went to Glasgow, Jesse went to Manchester and then Glasgow, Margaret married Robert Deans in Edinburgh and went to Devon after his death, but has ended up back in London which is where she died in 1890, and James stayed in Manchester. I have never managed to find anything on John or Andrew, but because they seemed to move about so much it's no wonder! I need to try and find where Elizabeth (nee Fairbairn) is buried, she died 21st Mar 1851 at 20 Stock St, Cheetham, I'm hoping that she is with Andrew/John. I emailed Manchester Cemeteries but there is no record for her, which tells me that she's in a Church Grave, but which Church? I think the one in Cheetham opened to burials at that time is St Luke, but, all the children were christened at Scotch Churches, which I think are Presbyterian. So they could be at another church! I'm waiting for Manchester Archives to get back to me, as they have something on a John Johnston in 1832, he was working on the Scotch Church in St Peters Square, I'll let you know what it is when I hear back from them. Until I found Elizabeth's death notice on the newspaper site, I had no idea what had happened to the girls, is amazing what one little sentence can give! Jane :o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "patricia williams" <pat.williams121@virgin.net> To: <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 6:42 PM Subject: [ENG-MAN] JOHNSTON, a little help is needed please > > Hi Jane > Ive been looking at your Johnston's. I don't have ancestry at the moment, > but just wanted to clarify a couple of things. > "Relict" - does that mean widow? > The only King Street I know in Manchester is actually in Central > Manchester...and is still there. It's bound to be on one of the modern > street map sites. > Have you found a death for Andrew/John? And have you details of the first > born son, John? > Pat